The king of vaporware is dead. Hail to the king baby!
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Oh they're making it. Why do you think we got that announcement a while back saying "be patient?" And why would they have dropped that Borealis easter egg in Portal 2 if they didn't have plans to continue?Jandau said:
Anyway, as you can imagine, I'm voting HL3.
Because the recent "HL3 hints" were mostly unrelated people trolling, and then everyone decided there's an ARG going on so they looked for any trace of ANYTHING to confirm it. Oh, and Valve outright stated that they are not making HL3. But yeah, I suppose that deluding yourself works too...Lilani said:
Oh, are you referring to this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114986-Valve-There-Is-No-Half-Life-3] article that you clearly didn't read? Because I read that article, and in it I found this:Jandau said:Because the recent "HL3 hints" were mostly unrelated people trolling, and then everyone decided there's an ARG going on so they looked for any trace of ANYTHING to confirm it. Oh, and Valve outright stated that they are not making HL3. But yeah, I suppose that deluding yourself works too...
Now why would he word it like that if there wasn't anything to leak? Wouldn't he have simply said, outright, they are not developing the game? Wouldn't an announcement that stop the ARG-seeking once and for all?
Come on. Use your head. There is absolutely no reason for Valve to NOT be making this game. They are facing no financial trouble, they are facing no power-struggles or lawsuits. Everything that causes a studio to stop making a game is not happening to them. They're just dragging their feet and not letting anybody peek through the windows, as per usual Valve behavior.
Meh, whatever. The fact is, it CAN'T be vaporware since it hasn't been announced, there aren't any screenshots or anything. There's a rumor. And it's not even being actively encouraged by Valve. What looks like definitive proof to you seems like wishful thinking to anyone who isn't obsessed with HL3 (or HL2:E3). And as I said, even if you were 100% correct, it's still not Vaporware since there's not even any "vapor". It simply doesn't qualify...Lilani said:Oh, are you referring to this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114986-Valve-There-Is-No-Half-Life-3] article that you clearly didn't read? Because I read that article, and in it I found this:Jandau said:Because the recent "HL3 hints" were mostly unrelated people trolling, and then everyone decided there's an ARG going on so they looked for any trace of ANYTHING to confirm it. Oh, and Valve outright stated that they are not making HL3. But yeah, I suppose that deluding yourself works too...
Now why would he word it like that if there wasn't anything to leak? Wouldn't he have simply said, outright, they are not developing the game? Wouldn't an announcement that stop the ARG-seeking once and for all?
Come on. Use your head. There is absolutely no reason for Valve to NOT be making this game. They are facing no financial trouble, they are facing no power-struggles or lawsuits. Everything that causes a studio to stop making a game is not happening to them. They're just dragging their feet and not letting anybody peek through the windows, as per usual Valve behavior.
Maybe Final Fantasy XIII Versus. Everytime I see that they add more cinema scenes, less gameplay and in the two trailers I've watched, a new difference in graphical engine.
And I think it was supposed to come out alongside FF13 am I right?
And I think it was supposed to come out alongside FF13 am I right?
Why does there have to be some official announcement for it to be "vaporware?" Everybody pretty much knows it's being developed in one form or another, even you've admitted it yourself, and Valve hasn't said it's not being developed (given the cliffhanger Episode 2 left off on, it's sort of assumed from the start they're going to have to somehow address the sequel). I mean hell, they had a release date for Episode 3 in 2007. How does that not qualify? I'm sure Duke Nukem hit a few "only a rumor" stages during its 14 years of "development." There is no way Valve has simply given up on their flagship franchise, leaving the story unfinished for absolutely no reason at all.Jandau said:
I guess none of this really matters, in the end. It will happen, Gabe Newell has said something "with a three in it" [http://www.complex.com/video-games/2011/12/half-life-3-e3-2012-announcement-hinted-at-by-gabe-newell] will be announced at E3 this year (and he has not denied the legitimacy of that email), so at this point if there's still any question as to whether or not it's being developed you simply haven't been paying any attention.
First of all, I did not "admit" anything. All I'm saying is that it may or may not be in development. And that it makes no difference one way or another to this discussion.Lilani said:
Vaporware are games that are stuck in development for a long time, with the occasional screenshot and vague promises being all they put out, year after year. This does not apply to HL3, sorry. Wether or not it's being developed is irrelevant - even if it is, it's still not vaporware.
Oh, and as for "something with a 3", there's a number of games that could apply to. L4D3, Portal 3, TF3...
For what it's worth, I'd love a new HL game. I just think that all the "enthusiasts" are a bit too "enthusiastic", reading too much into things.
I'll let you have the vaporware thing, honestly I wasn't even too interested in that anymore when I read you were so sure it wasn't happening at all. I still don't get that though--that makes no sense. Again, Valve has no reason to NOT make it. It is their flagship franchise, their most acclaimed and valuable franchise, and at this point their primary unfinished franchise. I'm guessing by saying you'd love a new HL game you've played it before, so you know where Episode 2 left off. How can they possibly leave that there, without ever finishing it?Jandau said:
And again, they had a date set in 2007 for its release. Obviously they were working on something, or at the very least had some pretty solid PLANS, otherwise they wouldn't have done that.
This thinking really makes no sense to me. Valve is having no trouble that could indicate a sudden cancellation. Gabe Newell himself has said "all of your favorite things" and "something with a 3" will be announced at E3. I don't get how anyone could think Valve has simply given up on it. It just...doesn't...make...sense.
Yeah, sorry if I miscommunicated initially, I didn't mean to say that there's no way they're making it, just that it can't be proven either way and that it makes no difference to the whole vaporware thing. Also, I do find the rampant scouring of existance for any sort of clue in an effort to find the next ARG to be a bit... baffling...Lilani said:
Them not making it this long also makes no sense. Blizzard not making Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 for as long as they did also made no sense. Heck, it makes no sense that Ep3 never came out either, since at the time Valve was swearing their arses off about how awesome episodic content is going to be and then they left off the way they did.
Maybe they wanted to wait for technology to move forward enough for the next HL game to be a significant leap from the previous one, like HL2 was from HL1. Since tech has slowed down to a crawl with this last generation of gaming, they wound up waiting for quite a while.
Yeah, the obsessives scouring Wheatley's VGA video for clues was rather unreasonable, lol. I went along with the T-shirt and Twitter thing for a while, but as soon as they started dissecting that video things became...clear, heh.Jandau said:Yeah, sorry if I miscommunicated initially, I didn't mean to say that there's no way they're making it, just that it can't be proven either way and that it makes no difference to the whole vaporware thing. Also, I do find the rampant scouring of existance for any sort of clue in an effort to find the next ARG to be a bit... baffling...
Them not making it this long also makes no sense. Blizzard not making Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 for as long as they did also made no sense. Heck, it makes no sense that Ep3 never came out either, since at the time Valve was swearing their arses off about how awesome episodic content is going to be and then they left off the way they did.
Maybe they wanted to wait for technology to move forward enough for the next HL game to be a significant leap from the previous one, like HL2 was from HL1. Since tech has slowed down to a crawl with this last generation of gaming, they wound up waiting for quite a while.
There was six years between HL1 and HL2, but I don't feel there was an immediate sequel promised for HL1 and as you said they weren't bragging about how episodic gaming will allow them to release smaller, cheaper games more often. So...yeah. They really dropped the ball there. I do like to think of Valve as the Pixar of video games because of their care for the end user and their extreme attention to detail, but even Pixar knows how to meet a deadline. They managed to crank Toy Story 2 out in 2 years instead of the typical 4, but here Valve can't manage to get ANY sort of timetable right.
I'm still adamant that HL3 (because if they release an episode after this long there will be bombing raids on Valve headquarters) is coming sooner rather than later, but if something substantial doesn't come out of E3 I will be very, VERY disappoint. Much more disappoint than I am now.
At this point Diablo 3 feels like vaporware. I remember playing that Barbarian demo they released AGES ago, forgetting about D3, then being surprised to hear the controversy over the marketplace using real money. It's been so long since I've played D2 I don't remember why I thought it was so good.
I have to agree with Diablo 3, I remember looking at screens for it early last year and it hasn't even been announced yet.
Surely the tech will be well out of date by now...
Surely the tech will be well out of date by now...
Yep.1-up said:
Half-Life 2: Episode Three.chimpzy said:
Let's face it, people, it's not going to happen. And if it does, it's not going to be [mock Gabe Newell voice] "Worth the wait". I was waiting for it, with great anticipation, but not any more. It's been WAAAY to long.
Besides, the fanbase is what you might call "insane". I know, I used to be a part of it. It's probably the only fan-base that will actually get into huge discussions about how a helicopter (which only appeared for less than 3 minutes at the end of Episode Two) is going crash ... or whether it will even take off ... after four years. And that's only the very beginning of it ... *shudders*