The KOTOR 2 Restoration Project leaked

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norsef

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Today I found a leaked version of the Knights of the Old Republic II The Sith Lords Restoration Project (Or KOTOR2TSLRP for short) from June 2008. For those who don't know this was a game which saw a three month cut in it's development time due to Lucas Arts being an idiot. As a result when released it was buggy to the point of being broken and had seen drastic cuts to content. One whole planet winked out of existence and many key character moments, including at least one death, were excised.

A small team called Gizka have for four years been working in a bizarrely secretive manner on restoring the tragically twunted Knights Of The Old Republic II. The makers turning down most offers of help and not releasing much in the way of details regarding each new beta. The Project has seemingly been in a closed beta for 3 years and the leak is from a year old version with the mod team refusing to release to the public despite many claims from the beta testers that the current version is stable. Things took a turn this time last year where one tester posted a torrent for the beta and the effect was overwhelming condemnation both from the makers and elements of the forum community.

Now I can understand these feelings if this had been a commercial project (loss of revenue, copyright bypass etc) but a free fan project? This is compounded by the fact the Mods website had been seemingly dead for a year with the last announcement being a year old at the time.

I was wondering what you, relatively distanced mind thinkers, feel about this. Is any leak that goes against the makers wishes inherently wrong? Was it wrong for Gizka to be so secretive in the light of fervent fans who were still talking about the project 3 years on? Should the project have been open source and more community based from the start?

Personally, my feeling is that even in it's currently twunted state, KOTOR 2 is one of my top five RPGs ever and though sorely tempted the claims of late glitches put me off the leaked patch. Still news that a new version, the first in 18 months, has been put into a closed beta and that there is only one version left before the public release might give all this a happy ending after all.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4261077/KOTOR2__TSLRP_1.0b8_(The_Sith_Lords_Restoration_Project)
 

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Well, if TRP wasn't finished, a leak would probably only hurt Team Gizka's good name, so they have a right to be pissed, especially if they had an understanding with the Beta tester who leaked it that he wouldn't.

Either way, still looking forward to this coming out.
 

KSarty

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Their last update was April 4th of this year, the website is far from dead.

orannis62 said:
Well, if TRP wasn't finished, a leak would probably only hurt Team Gizka's good name, so they have a right to be pissed, especially if they had an understanding with the Beta tester who leaked it that he wouldn't.

Either way, still looking forward to this coming out.
My thoughts exactly.
 

Noone From Nowhere

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Maybe people should be pleading with Lucas Arts to hire these people or at least to buy the finished products from them so that it can have an official release?
 

norsef

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KSarty said:
Their last update was April 4th of this year, the website is far from dead.
I said at the time of the leak the website had been silent for almost a year.

skcseth said:
Hmmm, not sure if I'm allowed to by Escapist to host what is arguably piracy. But you're a big strong boy with Google to hand so I'm sure you would find it if you wanted to. So in that case I'll add it to the OP but I'll blame you if this gets taken down.
 

KSarty

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Most PC developers are usually very supportive of their modding communities. I doubt LucasArts will give them any kind of cease and desist order.
 

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norsef said:
KSarty said:
Their last update was April 4th of this year, the website is far from dead.
I said at the time of the leak the website had been silent for almost a year.
When was the leak then? Your post led me to believe that this was recent.

EDIT: damn, double post. sorry
 

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norsef said:
But you're a big strong boy with Google to hand. I'll add to the OP but I'll blame you if this gets taken down.
*blush* Awww. I'm you say that to all the Escapists...

J/k.

Or you could just pm me but you're right, piracy is bad. Don't do it kids.
(Sorry)
 

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norsef said:
(Or KOTOR2TSLRP for short).
hahahahaha...

that being said, I liked KOTOR2 as it was, until the very last planet.. although I did get a playtest error in the mission where your team splits up.. I got an error message similar to "You should not be seeing this message. If you see it, please contact Jeff in the program debugging department."

it was... surreal.
 

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I liked Kotor2 as well but, I hated that it didn't have a love story. Made the two female love interests seem kind of like creepy and obsessive Jedi fanboys rather than hot for the Exile.

I'll still play the heck out of the new version if and when it comes out.
 

norsef

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InsanityManifest said:
I liked Kotor2 as well but, I hated that it didn't have a love story. Made the two female love interests seem kind of like creepy and obsessive Jedi fanboys rather than hot for the Exile.
Well the game seemed to have lost a Atton Rand love line for the ladies out there. Also I felt the approach to romance and party relationships was much better than the average Bioware game. Especially Kriea's bizarre militant mothering and Visas' obsession with you and talking about being worthless and wanting to die for you was really genuinely uncomfortable. Brilliant! Also, no Mission. Thats a big tick right there.

DasMark said:
You know, if you already own KOTOR2, then downloading what is essentially a mod for it is not piracy.

Just sayin'.
Agreed. But it is at the least incredibly cheeky and maybe too much of a funny area for the Escapist not to mod away. Still, no complaints yet so maybe it'll last. My opinion is that we're all big enough to make our own decisions about whether a leaked mod beta is good or bad and whether or not we'll use.
 

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norsef said:
I was wondering what you, relatively distanced mind thinkers, feel about this. Is any leak that goes against the makers wishes inherently wrong? Was it wrong for Gizka to be so secretive in the light of fervent fans who were still talking about the project 3 years on? Should the project have been open source and more community based from the start?
The Gizkas are working in their free time for no money to make something that will benefit mankind and make the world, in a small but significant way, a better place. They aim to receive no reward whatsoever (apart from the glory, the girls and the bragging rights) and just want to make a game more enjoyable for their fellow carbon-based lifeforms.

Not only do they deserve respect, they deserve extra respect and, therefore, releasing the beta version without their consent is extra lame. All creators, I think, have the right to control how and when they want to release their work, artists and craftsmen alike. If they do it voluntarily ? doublish so.

Let'em take as much time as they think they need. Who are we to make demands, we're not paying them. We can only make requests. If they chose not to fulfill them (ie. not to release the beta version until they say it's done) then so be it, it's their right and we should respect it.

I have officially drained my reserves of moral fiber for this month. I will now go and corrupt innocent souls to even it out.