The rev meter: What's that about?

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Something struck me while I was driving to work to day, and for once it wasn't a cyclist.

As I looked down through my steering wheel at my dashboard questioning who decided to stick all these instruments under your nose so you had to take your eyes off the road to look at them, my eyes drifted over to the rev meter sitting eternally somewhere between 1.8 and 2, and I found my mind wondering "what's the purpose of that thing anyway?" and then I found my car wandering into the potholes at the side of the road.

Anyway... What is the point of having a rev meter on the dashboard in the most prime position. It only moves when you change gear, and I never needed to use it, nor have I ever seen anyone else need to use it.

One of these is utterly pointless:



Why??
 

madwarper

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So, there could be some way for the layperson to be able to tell when their car isn't properly changing gears? And, not knowing would make them likely to cause further damage to their engine.

The only thing I see wrong with that pic is this 'km' nonsense. The metric system is the tool of the devil. My car gets 40 rods to the hogs head, and that's the way I likes it.
 

Fatboy_41

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Well, for starters, if your tachometer is only moving when you change gears, it's broken.
 

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It's definitely useful when driving a manual, rather than an automatic

For me at least, it's one way of letting me know when to switch to a higher gear, without relying on noise from the car itself.

Plus, MORE IS BETTER! LOOK AT ALL THAT INFORMATION!
 

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Fatboy_41 said:
Well, for starters, if your tachometer is only moving when you change gears, it's broken.
Well, of course it moves up slowly as I accelerate through the gear, and drops/climbs when I move up/down the gears, but it's not supplying any vital information that I need to know, and if a problem with the gears came up then the pull and chugs of the car and the sound of the engine will clue me in, not to mention that my car has a number display showing the optimal gear the car should be in, with an up or down arrow displaying whether you are in too high or low a gear, which is a much simpler and more efficient way to show the gear info.
 

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For the most part, its a hold over from yesteryear, when internal sensors didn't exist/weren't prolific enough, and knowing exactly how your engine was revving was very important.

Now a days, with new cars having hundreds of sensors all over the place, and engines no longer designed the same way, revolutions per minute simply isn't that important, even in many manuals.

Why is it still there in some cars? Sometimes its to give the car a sporty feel, frequently because the car is manual and is sort of important, and more frequently because what the hell else are they supposed to put there? My car has the oil temp in place of the 'rev meter.' Why in the hell do I need a full third of my dash dedicated to my oil temperature, especially since the only positions that matter on the whole dial are the low 'that's good' portion, the mid 'Texas heat is kicking my engine's ass' section, and the 'holy shit, what the fuck' red zone at the end.

As a side note, if you swerve into ditches while starring in a confused stupor at your dash more then once a month, you may want to give up your license for your own safety.

And everyone else's.
 

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Some cars benefit from them. My Celica has a second 'kick' at 5500rpm. It's a narrow powerband that only runs up to 7000rpm, but is really handy for overtakes.

Bikes on the other hand pull like trains from fairly low down, right up to 12-14000rpm, sometimes when it's a bit windy and noisy in the crash helmet, a little peep down can help with the shifting.

Personally, I think the Corvette has a nice solution to the looking down problem....

 

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PsychicTaco115 said:
It's definitely useful when driving a manual, rather than an automatic

For me at least, it's one way of letting me know when to switch to a higher gear, without relying on noise from the car itself.

Plus, MORE IS BETTER! LOOK AT ALL THAT INFORMATION!
I'd agree with this, but I'm just learning to drive and my instructor keeps telling me not to use it. If I can't learn how to feel/hear when I have the bite point/ need to change gear I will never be able to do it properly. According to him anyway.

Which does make the counter seem a bit pointless.
 

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ClockworkPenguin said:
PsychicTaco115 said:
It's definitely useful when driving a manual, rather than an automatic

For me at least, it's one way of letting me know when to switch to a higher gear, without relying on noise from the car itself.

Plus, MORE IS BETTER! LOOK AT ALL THAT INFORMATION!
I'd agree with this, but I'm just learning to drive and my instructor keeps telling me not to use it. If I can't learn how to feel/hear when I have the bite point/ need to change gear I will never be able to do it properly. According to him anyway.

Which does make the counter seem a bit pointless.
Eventually you'll get the hang of it, but when I was learning the rev counter was helpful for knowing when to change. Just glance at at quickly, don't stare at it- otherwise you'll go all over the place.
 

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Hero in a half shell said:
Well, it's a sporting feature. Not having a tach makes it quite hard to know when to change up while driving hard without bouncing off the rev limiter. Also, on my end at least, as a tech, it's beneficial for easily checking idle speed, and doing alternator load tests and such, which require at least 2500 rpm. Mostly though, it's just 'sporty'.
 

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madwarper said:
So, there could be some way for the layperson to be able to tell when their car isn't properly changing gears? And, not knowing would make them likely to cause further damage to their engine.

The only thing I see wrong with that pic is this 'km' nonsense. The metric system is the tool of the devil. My car gets 40

rods to the hogs head, and that's the way I likes it.
I like to just drive along at a stead 80,640 furlongs per fortnight in residential areas. Jump that to about 190,000 on the motorway. Good speeds.

Also, my mind was blown recently when I was told that miles per gallon is basically a length/a volume, which gives 1/an area, where the area is the cross section of the string you'd make if you stretched out all the fuel across the total journey. Woah.

It's not strictly necessary, plenty of cars come without one. However it can be useful if you're not used to listening too the sounds and feeling the shudders to find your cars sweet spot, until you learn to do it yourself. It's essentially a map to your car's clitoris.

I don't use it, except for if I've made a grave judgement error and have to try and start on a very steep hill, then I like to be all, 'Dayum! That hills a 7000!'

Presumably it's because you needed a visual indicator in the olden days when cars were a lot less easy to feel, and they never found something more useful to put there. Presumably it'll be replaced with elevation when we get hovercars.
 

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Zantos said:
Presumably it's because you needed a visual indicator in the olden days when cars were a lot less easy to feel, and they never found something more useful to put there. Presumably it'll be replaced with elevation when we get hovercars.
Or your car is like a Porsche 917, 500rpm too low and it stalls, 500rpm too high and the pistons hit the valves.

In fact why wouldn't you have the dial that says where your car's engine is within it's safe operating parameters front and centre?
 

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fix-the-spade said:
Zantos said:
Presumably it's because you needed a visual indicator in the olden days when cars were a lot less easy to feel, and they never found something more useful to put there. Presumably it'll be replaced with elevation when we get hovercars.
Or your car is like a Porsche 917, 500rpm too low and it stalls, 500rpm too high and the pistons hit the valves.

In fact why wouldn't you have the dial that says where your car's engine is within it's safe operating parameters front and centre?
Honestly I wouldn't know that because I've never driven a porsche, that does actually sound really useful.

My Ford Ka on the other hand does not do anything like that. Yet it probably still cost more because it has one, because it's a feature.
 

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madwarper said:
The only thing I see wrong with that pic is this 'km' nonsense. The metric system is the tool of the devil. My car gets 40 rods to the hogs head, and that's the way I likes it.
Good. Good. All according to plan. Only three bastions of the enemy metric system remain in this world. We shall not rest until this decadent, defiant "imperial" measurement system is utterly extinguished. Muahahahahaha.

*ahem* Sorry, that slipped out. No secret metric societies hell bent on world domination here. Nope nope nope.

As for the rev meter, I kind of feel it's not as important with gasoline engines, but diesel engines will like you more if you shift on lower rpm, when it's still harder to hear. So if driving a diesel, I do peer at it every now and then. If driving a gasoline, I just listen to the engine.

Of course if you're driving an automatic, it's irrelevant, but what kind of people drive automatic anyway. We shall not rest until this decadent, defiant "automatic" transmission is utterly extinguished. Muahahahahaha.

Egads, I've done it again!

No but really, I've driven both, and I do prefer manual. More fun driving when there's more interaction with your car *nods*
 

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Simply put? The lower your revs in most cars the lower your fuel consumption.

In modern automatics the rev counter is quite important because gear shifts are automatic and the engine is quite quiet, so its hard to tell precisely what your revs are for a particular speed.

A simple example, my car in Japan is optimised for driving at between 40 and 50km/h. This means that it shifts up a gear at 40, lowering the revs and lowering my fuel consumption, and keeps my revs as low as possible while driving between 40 and 50, hence keeping my fuel costs down.

This does sacrifice a bit of performance (which is why I prefer manuals), but what most automatic drivers don't know is that double-tapping the accelerator in most models will gear the car down, allowing me more power when I need it, although I then need to keep an eye on the revs to make sure I don't blow the engine.

In manuals its even more important, for the same reasons as above.
 

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Hero in a half shell said:
Anyway... What is the point of having a rev meter on the dashboard in the most prime position. It only moves when you change gear, and I never needed to use it, nor have I ever seen anyone else need to use it.
My first comment if this is true is I would not like to be buying a car off you or the people you know lol, be very surprised if those vehicles make it to very high mileage lives without the need for a new gear box or re-build.

Depends how much you know about your vehicle, bit worrying people don't use it for any kind of reference, doesn't bode well that people are driving with much mechanical sympathy lol.

- Driving in cold weather, can be used as a good indicator for when the engine is up to temperature having reached the normal idle engine speed.
- Optimizing your fuel consumption ie I know my motorcycle is most efficient on the fuel at 8000revs @ around 65mph
- If you have a manual you should be attempting to change gear within a certain rev range (if you want your gear box and engine to last).
- In depth knowledge of your car, either by sticking it on a rolling road, or just extensive driving of it should allow you to in general optimize your driving.
- Knowing whether your vehicle is in the correct gear for a specific task ie over/under revving while going up a hill
- Most importantly you should never be hitting the rev limiter or going in the red for any real amount of time.

In general it's allot more important on high performance machines such as sport's cars & motorcycles. The reason why you don't just have a "every thing is ok" rev indicator is because a rev meter is a fairly simple piece of kit that utilizes equipment that has to been in the car for the engine to operate and allows the user to make their own decision about how the car is operating, taking any liability out of the manufacturers hands, if you drive every where in 1st an blow up your engine.

A "every thing is okay" indicator would actually be a very complicated piece of kit requiring extensive load and rev mapping of the engine, in any number of viable environments. In essence it would cost allot of money to implement to garuntee it would work all the time. Plus it only takes one person to have had all their services done correctly, the indicator to be faulty, the engine fails and they have an accident to cause a whole host of call backs, returns and a court case. A rev meter puts the duty of care in the driver's hands, your notice in any vehicle hand book it will say some disclaimer that you should read the hand book and understand all aspects of caring for the vehicle before commencing operation.

On the topic of manuals/automatics, unless you live in america and are driving in strait lines all the time on those massive highways anyone with an automatic should be ashamed of themselves, that's not driving it's pushing buttons!

fix-the-spade said:
Zantos said:
Presumably it's because you needed a visual indicator in the olden days when cars were a lot less easy to feel, and they never found something more useful to put there. Presumably it'll be replaced with elevation when we get hovercars.
Or your car is like a Porsche 917, 500rpm too low and it stalls, 500rpm too high and the pistons hit the valves.

In fact why wouldn't you have the dial that says where your car's engine is within it's safe operating parameters front and centre?
I think the bigger issue if the piston hit's the valve's is the crank has been torn apart lol

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Frungy said:
Simply put? The lower your revs in most cars the lower your fuel consumption.
Sorry thought I would chime in quickly, not 100% true. The best fuel consumption is found at the peak torque point while travelling at a constant speed in an appropriate gear. Which is not at the Max rev's, it's normally 1/3 to 1/5 before max revs so you actually run your engine with more revs than less. It's also before peak power.

Unless the engine is tuned very oddly, but for the vast majority of correctly operating road cars what I have said is true.
 

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Jedi-Hunter4 said:
I think the bigger issue if the piston hit's the valve's is the crank has been torn apart lol
By far the biggest issue is that an engine rebuild is £50'000(!!!).
 

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fix-the-spade said:
Jedi-Hunter4 said:
I think the bigger issue if the piston hit's the valve's is the crank has been torn apart lol
By far the biggest issue is that an engine rebuild is £50'000(!!!).
You have seen the story about the reporter then? think I would have just started crying, possibly changed my name.
 

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Frungy said:
A simple example, my car in Japan is optimised for driving at between 40 and 50km/h. This means that it shifts up a gear at 40, lowering the revs and lowering my fuel consumption, and keeps my revs as low as possible while driving between 40 and 50, hence keeping my fuel costs down.
This. I love my Nissan. ^^

Although my car is... semiautomatic? It is both automatic and manual - I can switch between them. Not that I ever have - I like automatic.

My old Nissan had a button that would change at what speed the shift would occur. It had "overdrive" for highway, and "not overdrive" for better in-town performance. My new car doesn't have that - I guess I'm supposed to switch to manual if I want to control my shifting speed. Personally, I miss the button.
 

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When your not driving an automatic, it has its uses, because in a manual, you need to be able to see when you need to change gear. Even though, you can also judge it by sound, but for that, you need a little more experience.