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Hey Joe

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I want to preface this by saying there a heck of a lot of reviewers out there I have a lot of respect for, and a heck of a lot of up and comers who I'm excited about.

Niceties out of the way, I've found the review section to be sorely lacking in any sort of intelligent reasoning, rational insight or even humour which raises a chuckle for quite a while now. In times gone by, our little community managed to provide another source of information for those seeking opinions on a particular product, but nowadays I can only find frustration.

This may seem like an old-timer whinging about how things used to be better in the old days, but I form my opinion free from any preconceptions and judge solely based on the level of reviews being written today. Let's begin with that point of discussion in both review circles and in the bedroom. Length.

I'm okay with modern media writing being tight and punchy, but over the last few months there has been a succinct lack of words in reviews, and thus a distinct lack of ideas and thought. It seems to be a by-product of the twitter generation that reviews barely go over half a page and rarely discuss more than two or three points.

I am really sick and tired of opening up a review of a product I'm looking to buy and finding nary a detail in sight. Okay, so the graphics are good and there's some gamplay which is broken but what else? Is that all there is to a particular product, are you really such a good reviewer that you can boil it down to a couple of points? No, nobody is. I understand that words are sometimes scary and putting a bit of effort into your work seems superfluous but if you actually want your work to be worthy of somebody reading it, you have to give them something a bit more in-depth than a couple of paragraphs.

As with all things, the devil's in the details and games are no different. There's a school of thought which says you don't have to know everything about a game to buy it but I'd like to think the reviews section has evolved beyond a simplistic consumer guide and has become a community where products are discussed in detail.

Of course, I'm not saying your review should take in every little pixel and give it a mark out of ten but games have more than two strings to their bows. If you only write a couple of paragraphs about a game, you are doing a disservice to the game itself and the people who worked on it. More than that, you can not give a fair and balanced review of the whole product if you do not review the whole product.

I've been so surprised by a lack of depth in reviews that I'm starting to think people are doing it on purpose, that we have some sort of 'review troll' on our hands. This perception isn't helped when you see reviews where the sole intent seems to be to provoke a reaction rather than open, intelligent and equitable debate on a particular game.

People, to be blunt, have become comment whores. The desired end result of reviewers seems to be comments. It's as if their worth as a reviewer is dependant of a numerical value of little to no significance. The way to do this is to tap into the internet's love of arguing with complete strangers and to this end a culture has developed whereby presenting a biased and inflammatory stance on a particular product has become the norm and well balanced and rational insight has become scarce indeed.

Scarcity has become to buzz word of the review forum as a lack of insight, depth or even spelling has become a systemic disease.

I'm absolutely shocked as to how people think that people are going to actually take the time out to read a poorly spelled review. To most rational, forward thinking people, spelling is very important as it indicates the reviewer has actually taken the time out to make sure their I's are dotted and their T's are crossed. It shows a basic lack of respect for your audience if you think your poorly spelled 'review' is still worth the eyeballs of the forum participants. I can accept a few typos, God knows I do love a typo, but when there are at least ten spelling mistakes per paragraph you're in some trouble. Take some time out before you hit the "submit" button and actually read your review. It will make you take a look at each word and question whether or not it's spelled correctly and heck, you might become a better reviewer. Same goes for grammar, and I'mnot going to waste timeby going over the same points again.

For all I've talked about so far, the elephant in the room undiscussed. I write of, of course, the use of humour in review.

Right then, how should I put this? You are not Yahtzee, stop trying to be Yahtzee and your attempts to be Yahtzee are laughable for all the wrong reasons. Humour, as a general rule is like honey. It's sweet, it's nice to have on toast but would you want to eat two tonnes of the stuff in one sitting?

Humour is best used sparingly in review, as the main point of a review should be to actually 'review' a product, not be a stage for your comic stylings. Listen, I wouldn't be complaining about the use of humour in review if at least half of it was funny, but most of the time you come off as a rabid Yahtzee fan and here's the thing about trying to imitate his humour: it doesn't work on paper.

Yahtzee's humour is largely visual. Go ahead and play one of his videos and close your eyes. You'll find it's mostly not all that funny, and that's because without the illustrations his comic punch lines are lost in translation. When you try to translate his largely visual-reliant humour to a text based medium you won't end up seeming like a witty savante, instead you'll end up seeming like a tool.

How to sum up everything I loathe about the review section in a summarising paragraph? A lack of depth, a lack of care with copy and a lack of original thought. Lift your game.

Recommendation: Don't buy it
 

mjhhiv

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I think I recall SimuLord (or someone) doing a thread about how to write a good user review -- this post is like that thread. It should be required reading for new posters.

You bring up a bunch of really good points here. Especially the "comment whores" idea. I think I've taken it the other way though, in that I don't really notice it for my reviews, but for other reviews. I find myself wishing some reviews would get more comments when that review is genuinely, you know, good, but is getting ignored in favor of the MGG-esque stuff. I try to bump the best reviews I see every once-in-a-while, even if I don't really have much to add. It all goes back to the "report and move on" mentality. Not necessarily "report", but if the review is a paragraph of typos, it's not helping anything by posting "u suck". I've tried to only give comments to reviewers who look like they've actually put a fair bit of effort into their stuff. The Yahtzee thing also desperately needed to be said.

I am by no means an old-timer here (although I'm beginning to feel that way by all of the new guys who already have gone gonzo), but I have noticed a significant drop in quality of reviews. I don't know. When I was first starting out we had guys like Gigantor, Rent Cavalier.. you, nilcypher, etc. Of course, we also had the MGGs of the world, but it seemed like they were in the vast minority. Nowadays there are still NewClassic, RAKtheUndead, Maet, and what have you, but it seems like they are being increasingly outnumbered by the... erm... not so hot reviews.

I will say that I still defend the Escapist's review section as being one of the best on the Internet. Just look at the increasingly popular GameTrailers. Their review section is usually filled with one-sentence fanboy stuff. And plus, there aren't too many other websites that allow regular, ordinary user-reviewers to be featured on the front page via a Guest Review. And I dare someone to point me to another review section that is so good about giving constructive criticism.

This whole issue is a sad thing that I've been thinking about for a while, but hey, I'm still posting here, so there must be something good about it. I guess. I mean, I don't know. One sentence fanboyism does seem pretty enticing... I may just head on over to /b/ while I'm at it!
 

scotth266

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*COUGH [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.108202#1817369] COUGH [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.111065] COUGH [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.111048]* Short, one-or-two point reviews are all that's being produced these days my ass.

Err... the review section is hardly just drivel. You have to realize that all people are not masterworkers of the English language, yet want to write reviews regardless. Sure, there are some who only write really short and really bad reviews, but how often do you see them post here? The people that tend to thread in this section frequently do a good job of it.

There are also those who do write short reviews, or have bad spelling, but at the same time, we shouldn't be smacking them for not instantly being masters of this section, should we? We should encourage them, ask politely that they write more and use spellcheckers, not just write rants about how they're ruining the section.

mjhhiv said:
I think I recall SimuLord (or someone) doing a thread about how to write a good user review -- this post is like that thread. It should be required reading for new posters.
I have actually been writing a thread about this very topic for a week and a half now. Do you have a link to it? If you do, I'll check it out, and if most of what I planned to cover has already been done, I'll abandon the project.
 

MrBrightside919

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Why do people feel the need to review the reviewer? We aren't professionals in any sense so why should we be treated like such?

I know that I don't write reviews to be professional. I do it to get a point across, whether or not I like a game and would recommend, but most importantly, I do it because I enjoy it.

I wouldn't know whether or not people consider me a good reviewer because I have my good/bad reviews. Frankly, I don't think I would want to know.

I like reviewing games and i'll keep doing it, whether they are liked or not. I'll keep reviewing games whether they get 2 hits or 2000 hits.
 

mjhhiv

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scotth266 said:
mjhhiv said:
I think I recall SimuLord (or someone) doing a thread about how to write a good user review -- this post is like that thread. It should be required reading for new posters.
I have actually been writing a thread about this very topic for a week and a half now. Do you have a link to it? If you do, I'll check it out, and if most of what I planned to cover has already been done, I'll abandon the project.
Here you are! [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.78700#988285]

NewClassic also did something equally helpful with his Writing Theory [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.111856#1978302].
 

Maet

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A set of guidelines and suggestions for reviewing are fine, but I still think there?s something this section is missing. To be honest, I have always wondered whether or not we?re allowed to make threads in the User Review section discussing... *ahem* Reviewing Theory, if you will. I suppose such a topic might be more at home in Off-Topic, but not everybody in that section would care for it.

I guess what I?m trying to say is that the User Review section should be a place to discuss reviewing styles and how to write a review as much as it?s a place to write and share them. For the longest time, I always felt that the User Review section is a place of discussion without actually having any.
 

scotth266

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mjhhiv said:
Linky snip.
Hmmm. I think I might post my piece regardless then. I'll ask him for his opinion first, see if he thinks my work will help.

I already saw the Writing Theory thread :D
 

Quickening666

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I may make video reviews as opposed to writing reviews but each of them requires about twelve pages of A4 to plan and if they were written rather than spoken, they'd be about that length to. Now I make my videos for myself more than anyone else because I love these games and that's why I put days of effort into each of them in terms of writing, recording, shooting and editing. It's just as well I do it for myself to because the last one I posted here went completely ignored. Now I'm not complianing about that, it's just the way this forum goes, but the point is that one reason there might be a lack of effort is because the reviewer knows that at the end of the day, no-one might read the thing. There's not much incentive for a lot of people.
Anyway here's my review that went ignored the last time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcddHfc5NXI
Anyone who watches that could hardly accuse me of being lazy. I do agree with you on the spelling and grammar though. If someone can't spell basic words then it's hard to take their opinion seriously.
 

Maet

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Quickening666 said:
I may make video reviews as opposed to writing reviews but each of them requires about twelve pages of A4 to plan and if they were written rather than spoken, they'd be about that length to. Now I make my videos for myself more than anyone else because I love these games and that's why I put days of effort into each of them in terms of writing, recording, shooting and editing. It's just as well I do it for myself to because the last one I posted here went completely ignored. Now I'm not complianing about that, it's just the way this forum goes, but the point is that one reason there might be a lack of effort is because the reviewer knows that at the end of the day, no-one might read the thing. There's not much incentive for a lot of people.
Anyway here's my review that went ignored the last time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcddHfc5NXI
Anyone who watches that could hardly accuse me of being lazy. I do agree with you on the spelling and grammar though. If someone can't spell basic words then it's hard to take their opinion seriously.
What? How'd I miss that? Your Live Free or Die Hard review was great, so I'll be watching this one right now.
 

scotth266

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Quickening666 said:
Oh damn, I missed that one dude. My bad :D

But I try to comment on your reviews when you post them up. I think that I already said this, but the reason you probably don't get many comments here is likely due to the fact that lots of people have Youtube profiles, and are thus likely to comment on your vids on Youtube instead of here.
 

Hey Joe

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madbird-valiant said:
Hey Joe said:
Here's an idea. When you write a masterpiece review that makes me laugh, cry, and come to love my fellow man, and I'll pay attention to what you think about everyone else's reviews.
Ho, ho! SLAM!

Have you actually....contributed to the forum?

Seriously, that's pretty weird reasoning. Aparently you have to be able to design a car to have an opinion about a car, won an oscar to have an opinion of a film etc.
 

Hey Joe

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madbird-valiant said:
Hey Joe said:
[Ho, ho! SLAM!

Have you actually....contributed to the forum?

Seriously, that's pretty weird reasoning. Aparently you have to be able to design a car to have an opinion about a car, won an oscar to have an opinion of a film etc.
No, but seeing as how you're grouping all of the reviews in the review section into the genre of "Useless Shit", I would assume that you have some sort of talent in that area by which you can base that reasoning. Otherwise you're just being a colossal douche.

The latter option wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
Go back and look at the first sentence of the review.
 

Quickening666

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scotth266 said:
Quickening666 said:
Oh damn, I missed that one dude. My bad :D

But I try to comment on your reviews when you post them up. I think that I already said this, but the reason you probably don't get many comments here is likely due to the fact that lots of people have Youtube profiles, and are thus likely to comment on your vids on Youtube instead of here.
No problem, not trying to hijack the thread just pointing out that some people might lose the will to invest in creating a kick ass review if people don't read/watch it. Not me though my cat forces me to make them regardless.
I enjoy reading long reviews on this forum and even the shorter of the reviews are still longer than you'll find in a lot of places. I do prefer the longer reviews personally but I also agree with what the OP said about the "twitter generation". We definately shouldn't be trying to appeal to people with a short attention span in my opinion. Someone has to maintain standards.
 

scotth266

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madbird-valiant said:
Hey Joe said:
Go back and look at the first sentence of the review.
Ooh, so you respect a bunch of reviewers, and you're excited about a bunch of other reviewers? Too bad you completely override that by shitting upon the huddled masses of the Review Section for the rest of... 14-odd paragraphs.

Oh, you're from Perth. It all makes sense now. I'll just leave.
Don't be mean to the Joe: he has written several great reviews.

However, Joe: this piece was spent ranting on how there have been a mass of bad reviews of late. Granted, this is the truth, but that's the price we pay for attracting higher numbers of users these days. All we can do is try to prune the bush and give out proper criticism.

Your heart was in the right place here Joe, but your method is a bit flawed. You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar.