the warhammer world, is it in the 40k universe?

[Remleiz]

think about it:

the world could be a 'feudal' world that devolved back into a medieval state

Sigmar was reported to have god-like abilities, and was heralded by the arrival of a comet. sounds like the pod of a space marine primarch crashing to the planet. [and at least one primarch was never found]

Orcs. orcs are everywhere in the universe thanks to their spore based reproduction clinging to space debris landing on planets, so it's possible they 'seeded' the world

Elves. they're not elves, they're eldar exodites

Dwarfs. nope not dwarfs, but a species of subhuman adapting for a subterranean enviroment

Orgres. Nope they're Ogryns

The forces of Chaos. they're everywhere lets face it

Anyone else think this seems more then a coincidence?

As for undead...um...Chaos did it...yeah

 

[DC_Josh]

There have always been rumours that this is true. Don't forget that the creation of the Fantasy world was facilitated in part by the Slaan, who had their dealings in the 40k universe as well. GW have always tried to downplay the connection though. Hense there destruction of Space Rats and Squats.

 

[7moreDead_v1legacy]

not caring a whole lot.

Good for you.

Yeah I've had this discussion many times before. I've always thought that if it was in the 40k system, then wouldn't the chaos from the northern wastes be pulling the attraction of their kin that wield bolters and what not.

That and if Sigmar was a Primarch I am sure there would be guard's/marines hitting on this planet already. Still possibilities are endless.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

It could readily exist in the 40k universe really. That there is no interaction with more advanced examples of each race and species isn't really that surprising as the imperium alone has over a million worlds within it's tenuous grasp and I seem to recall reading that the worlds vary greatly in terms of technological advancement. It would seem likely that this world is outside of the control of the imperium as even though there is no support from the better armed members of the human race, the imperium would certainly levy some sort of tithe from what is clearly a resource rich world.

Additionally, the Orcs, out of any race, would have access to better tech, simply because it appears that orkish tech is driven more out of a willigness of the Orks to make it work rather than sound engineering principles.

 

[Fire Daemon]

I can imagine some a planet cut off from the rest of the universe because of some warp storm or other. That Warp storm could probably explain the magic that is present in Fantasy but somewhat lacking in 40k. The Skaven and the Tomb Kings don't have much of a connection with 40k (Necrons don't count) but they can be explained with magic. Both genres use the same Chaos Gods (I think), which I always thought as a way to save money, but maybe this is a clue they're linked.

I'm a little bit rusty on my mythos so sorry for any errors.

I actually saw a battle between Dwarves and Tyrannids once. The player altered the rules a little and took the Tyrannids as a full skirmishing force. It was pretty neat.

 

[WarpGhost]

In the early 40k Chaos books ('Slaves to Darkness' or something), there apparently were hints that the Warhammer World is a planet in the Eye of Terror. And in the much later 'Liber Chaotica' there were many references to Chaos Space Marines, though it was very ambiguous as to whether it was meaning an alternate universe, a future time or actually happening in the same unvierse at that exact time. Plus there is a suggestion in the Necrons codex to play battles between the 40k Necrons and WHFB Lizardmen, because there represent ancient enemies in the C'Tan and Old Ones.

So basically, its been vaugely and very infrequently hinted the two universes are directly connected, but not enough to spend brainsweat on.

 

[AmrasCalmacil]

They'd have to be awfully isolated to be using arquebuses at best while the rest of the universe is using Lasguns and Bolters.

 

[Hutchy_Bear]

I think it was a planet in the eye of terror but GW dismissed the idea as it kinda made warhammer one planet among thousands in the 40k universe. It downplayed its epicness.

 

[linkmaxwell]

I believe that they are part of the same universe, but they don't have to happen at the same time/same galaxy. The Gods of Chaos are what links both systems together. Maybe mankind expanded to other galaxies during the Dark Age of Technology?

On the other hand, the Orcs/Orks tend to disprove it. Even Feral Orks retain the ability to create firearms. WFB Orcs cannot have guns, which tends to disprove the theory.

 

[Stikibunn]

I think it was a planet in the eye of terror but GW dismissed the idea as it kinda made warhammer one planet among thousands in the 40k universe. It downplayed its epicness.

this's true. In the early editions chaos even had boltguns and marines and Sigmar was a primarch but they cancelled it.
That's why the chaos gods are the same.

 

[Legion]

think about it:

the world could be a 'feudal' world that devolved back into a medieval state

Sigmar was reported to have god-like abilities, and was heralded by the arrival of a comet. sounds like the pod of a space marine primarch crashing to the planet. [and at least one primarch was never found]

Orcs. orcs are everywhere in the universe thanks to their spore based reproduction clinging to space debris landing on planets, so it's possible they 'seeded' the world

Elves. they're not elves, they're eldar exodites

Dwarfs. nope not dwarfs, but a species of subhuman adapting for a subterranean enviroment

Orgres. Nope they're Ogryns

The forces of Chaos. they're everywhere lets face it

Anyone else think this seems more then a coincidence?

As for undead...um...Chaos did it...yeah

not caring a whole lot.

Why bother posting then.

 

[BladesofReason]

In older editions of 40K they hinted that this was the case, but those hints have been veritably dropped from more recent editions of the game.

I think Games Workshop thought it would be a cute idea, but then decided it would be a little too difficult to deal with, and also undermine the drama in Warhammer Fantasy.

 

[Angrylemming]

Some good points against it there. Not to mention all the planets in the eye of terror are described as being completely and utterly insane (even by WH standards).
Having said that, it's entirely possible that if the planet is there, the chaos gods simply consider what's going on down there as amusing and more or less leave it be - though that's a bit of a dodgy theory I suppose...

 

[Mezrev]

I might be way off, but didn't GW at some point separate the WH40k and WHFB universes, and deny the theory that Sigmar is a primarch? At least I vaguely remember hearing something like that the last time I discussed this. Been quite a bit, and I never cared that much for the connections.

 

[ace_of_something]

I always thought that 40K was supposed to be WHF a long ass time in the future. This thread is educating me.

 

[Skeleon]

I don't think they're the same universe, Humanity met Eldar, Orks and all the other alien scum only after colonizing space. Space dwarves were human colonists who lived on high-gravity planets near the center of the galaxy (or something similar).

Yes, the races are pretty much the same (except for the Tau, Tyranids and Necrons I guess), but the explanations for why they exist and the whole history are significantly different.

They used Warhammer and put the races in front of a different background to save time/make more money.

 

[Circus Ascendant]

Very simple answer:

It used to be, and now it isn't. They retconned it, along with a great many things. Now it's not up for debate, it's been officially stated that they're entirely separate universes.

Oh yeah, and while "Sigmar is Primarch" idea is cool, Sigmar was a man. He was born, not crashed to the planet like a Primarch. It's all in Heldenhammer.

 

[Littaly]

I was going to say they are separate, but I think it's been stated enough by now ^^