Theory: Zelda: Twilight Princess is a direct sequel to Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask

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Ok, this is for all those Zelda fans out there. The type that consider timeline theories even though Nintendo said that one doesn't exist.

To start, let me say that up until a certain epiphany I had a very, very hard time enjoy Twilight Princess's story. I had no emotional attachments to the characters. I disliked Midna, I didn't care less about whether or not Ilia got her memory back, and I had no personal beef with Zant. And this is all because of one thing...

If the usual BS was used to rationalize Link being there was used, fine. But the horse? Epona? What are the fucking odds that two seperate heroes would have the same looking horse with the same name that responded to the same song? I can suspend disbelief with the whole "reincarnation" thing only so much, guys, I mean come ON. Plus, Link had no back story. How did he come to live in this village? How did he meet Epona? How did he know that song would soothe her? How is he so damn good with a sword, better than any other Link to date even before he met the Hero's Shade? Where the fuck did he get the Triforce of Courage?

Another issue I had with the game (though it wasn't as big of one) was its difficulty. It was the easiest Zelda game I ever played. I looked back after I beat it with an extreme "meh" (though I will admit, if someone who had never played a Zelda game before picked that up, say a casual Wii owner, they'd have some trouble). That troubled me, since the previous two 3D Zelda games, Wind Waker and Majora's Mask, would sometimes at least give me a hard time.

But then, the epiphany. The reason this Zelda game was so easier... This Link has done this before. I've played a game with this Link. Two games, in fact. Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. It's the same Link. The Hero of Twilight is also the Hero of Time. I believe that after Majora's Mask, Link returned to Hyrule with Epona and settled down in Ordon after a while. He even created a tree house somewhat similar to what he lived in all the way back in Kokiri Forest. It also explains how he got that Triforce piece.

Now, when trying to think of how to explain my theory more fully, I came up with an idea. Here's a bunch of counter-arguments I would expect from hard-core Zelda fans and what my responses would be. I fully realize some are bullshiting it and are complete leaps of faith, but hey, who doesn't do that for a story they really enjoy? Look at Star Wars fans. We do that all the time!

So... and remember, these are stretches, but I stand by them because it's the only way I can enjoy Twilight Princess as much as I feel I should...

Think about it. During Majora's Mask, Link was fucking with the space time continuum. A lot. Who's to say this didn't cause some sort of flux in the path between worlds? Maybe three days passed in Termina while over a millenia passed in Hyrule. Upon returning to Hyrule, Link realized this, and so he decided to settle down in a new home, away from Hyrule (little did he know, he was right up the path from what used to be Hyrule Castle Town and the Temple of Time!)

He probably got rid of everything other than the Ocarina, and then hid the Ocarina somewhere far out of the way. Considering he now knew the its potential power, he probably wanted to make sure no one messed with time the way he had. Either that, or he caught whatever Samus Aran catches at the end of every mission.

*sneeze* Oh, shit, there goes my Charge Beam...

After years of non-use, his magic power probably faded. As for why he didn't get it back, my guess is that the source of personal magic of that type in the world were the Great Fairies. There was only one Great Fairy left in Hyrule by the time Link returned, and even normal fairies are very rare. Ganondorf probably killed the rest before he was finally apprehended and banished to the Twilight Realm. And the Great Fairy's Tears? Why do you think she's crying? She's mourning over the loss of her kin.

Because, even during the very end of OOT, the world didn't know what he had done. Link was sent back before the events of OOT. Probably to the moment before he met Zelda. He went to Zelda, tattled on Ganondorf, people got shit done, and then Link went off to find Navi and wound up in Termina. Ganondorf didn't even lay his eyes on him. He was just known as "that one kid that pointed out that Ganondorf was a dick. How did we not see this?" It's likely even the Light Spirits didn't know of his identity. Only the Goddesses did.

I've always thought this was bullshit, even before I came up with this whole insane idea. When did the Hero of Time wear that armor? Use that shield, that sword? And what the fuck would be up with him talking? Bullshit! Me? I believe that this is his father. Rember why Link was brought to the Kokiri Forest? A mother trying to hide her son from a war. Who's to say heroism doesn't run in his family? Maybe Link's father was a hero in whatever war took place before OOT. Maybe his death, though heroic, is what pushed his mother to hide Link. Plus, it could explain why both of them are left handed! It's genetics!

OK, two final things. These are even more of a stretch then the ones so far, so just bear with me. They're at least something to think about.

Ok, name two Link's from two Zelda games (that aren't obviously connected, such as Zelda 1 and 2, OOT and MM, WW and PH). Capcom games, Four Swords, and the upcoming Spirit Tracks games not withstanding, have you seen any two Links from seperate Zelda's that look as similar as this


to this?


Other than an obvious improvement in graphics and art style, TP's Link is basically a carbon copy of OOT's Link. The hair, the earrings, the eyes, the height, even the voice. They're so similar that it's just begging for the comparison between the two. Which is why I stopped comparing and just decided to say they're the same.

Ever since Brawl was announced, the two versions of Link were advertised as Wind Waker's Link and Twilight Princess's Link. The TP Link had everything TP had. The Wind-Fairy inhabited boomerang, the clawshot, the same type of bombs, the same type of bow... everything. Except for Midna. Where was Midna? Nowhere! But, there was someone taking her place.
Watch this video at the 53 second mark. Who appears during one of Twilight Princess Link's taunts?
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Navi the fairy. The Hero of Time's fairy companion. Yes, it was probably just a nod to what is considered the best Zelda game. But still, considering everything else, it's quite curious.

Now, I sumbit this to you, the Escapists, to either look at with curiousity and comment, or ignore. I took the risk, so could you at least consider reading it? Pleease? :p

And yeah, there's a good chance I'm wrong. But I'm gonna go with thinking this way, so I can finally enjoy Twilight Princess as much as I always felt I should. It isn't my favorite Zelda game now (that title belongs to Majora's Mask, followed closely by Wind Waker) but I finally love the game.
 

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I personally don't care and if the people who made it says there isn't a connection, there isn't a connection.
disregarding that everything you said made sense except for the taunt thing and if it actually was up for debate I would think that you were right.
 

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Dude, Word of God. There's two timelines, TP follows centuries after OoT on the "Ganon was stopped in the past in OoT" timeline.
 

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even though Nintendo said that one doesn't exist.
yeah, it doesn't exist. If there was a timeline, they couldn't keep releasing the exact same story with different minor characters every 3 years. You have zelda, and zelda 2, and then everything else is zelda again.
 

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I know this topic is about the timeline theory but seriously, Wind Waker was easier than Twilight Princess. By far.

Anywho, this entire theory is a bit of a stretch. I don't really think theres any need for continuity in the Zelda series and the developers seemingly don't care either. If they wanted to make it a direct sequel, they would have. Based on the technology in Twilight Princess, it takes place at least 100 years after Ocarina and Majora.
 

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Sipo said:
me thinks u have way too much time on ur hands bro
I'm between jobs, so no argument there.

orannis62 said:
Dude, Word of God. There's two timelines, TP follows centuries after OoT on the "Ganon was stopped in the past in OoT" timeline.
I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say here. Does this support or take down my theory? What the hell is the Word of God?

And I know about the "split-timeline" idea. I think that Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass make up one half, while Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess make up the other.
 

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While I do agree with the fact that MM is followed by TP, I have to disagree on the direct sequel bit. What I will say is Link married Malon and the horses name, the song, and the fact that he's a farm hand has survived through time.
 

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ZeroMachine said:
orannis62 said:
Dude, Word of God. There's two timelines, TP follows centuries after OoT on the "Ganon was stopped in the past in OoT" timeline.
I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say here. Does this support or take down my theory? What the hell is the Word of God?

And I know about the "split-timeline" idea. I think that Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass make up one half, while Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess make up the other.
"Word of God" means it came directly from the devs. As in, they said this directly.

And yes, basically, there's two timelines: one in which Link went back in time and defeated Ganon in OoT, and one where he didn't and the gods flooded Hyrule to stop Ganon. TP takes place in the first, WW and PH take place in the second.
 

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internetzealot1 said:
You interested in the supposed timeline theory. Watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2g65jL3HDg
Seen it, and I gotta disagree with it.

hopeneverdies said:
While I do agree with the fact that MM is followed by TP, I have to disagree on the direct sequel bit. What I will say is Link married Malon and the horses name, the song, and the fact that he's a farm hand has survived through time.
I'm sorry, dude, but there wasn't even a single hint of romance between the two. Mine is wild speculation from evidence, that's just wild speculation. No offense meant at all, I just disagree with it.

But hey, like the way I look at my theory, take whatever you want as true in order to enjoy the game the most =D
 

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When Link got his green clothes in Twilight Princess, it said that those clothes were not wielded by an ancient hero. Unless Ocarina of Time Link was coincidentally wearing the same clothes as a long-ago hero without knowing it, this hints that there was a long gap between Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess.
 

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orannis62 said:
ZeroMachine said:
orannis62 said:
Dude, Word of God. There's two timelines, TP follows centuries after OoT on the "Ganon was stopped in the past in OoT" timeline.
I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say here. Does this support or take down my theory? What the hell is the Word of God?

And I know about the "split-timeline" idea. I think that Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass make up one half, while Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess make up the other.
"Word of God" means it came directly from the devs. As in, they said this directly.

And yes, basically, there's two timelines: one in which Link went back in time and defeated Ganon in OoT, and one where he didn't and the gods flooded Hyrule to stop Ganon. TP takes place in the first, WW and PH take place in the second.
Alright, I figured it was something like that. But I don't think that Link defeated Ganondorf after going back in time again. If he did, he did it damn fast (considering he was basically at the same age during Majora's Mask) and without the Master Sword, which is quite the feat considering that the second Link returned to the past he, Zelda, and Ganondorf were given the Triforce pieces without directly touching the Triforce itself.

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SideburnsPuppy said:
When Link got his green clothes in Twilight Princess, it said that those clothes were not wielded by an ancient hero. Unless Ocarina of Time Link was coincidentally wearing the same clothes as a long-ago hero without knowing it, this hints that there was a long gap between Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess.
Who needs hints when the Temple of Time is in ruin? Besides, check my theory on why so much time could have passed. As for why they gave him the clothes and didn't mention that they belonged to, well, him, the Goddesses probably decreed they gave the Hero those clothes without telling them that they would be giving them to the same person.
 

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i think your looking into it a bit too much.
I could understand getting like it over OoT, because we needed the back story with that one, like why he came to live in Kokiri Forest and so on, but TP, just another Zelda game, no link to the others.
 

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I wouldn't really include Majora's Mask in this because TP was supposed to be the next gen's classic game and equal to OoT in stature, hence the similarities.
It's nothing to do with timeline and continuation of story.

It's just Nintendo recycling characters & story.
 

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ZeroMachine said:
internetzealot1 said:
You interested in the supposed timeline theory. Watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2g65jL3HDg
Seen it, and I gotta disagree with it.

hopeneverdies said:
While I do agree with the fact that MM is followed by TP, I have to disagree on the direct sequel bit. What I will say is Link married Malon and the horses name, the song, and the fact that he's a farm hand has survived through time.
I'm sorry, dude, but there wasn't even a single hint of romance between the two. Mine is wild speculation from evidence, that's just wild speculation. No offense meant at all, I just disagree with it.

But hey, like the way I look at my theory, take whatever you want as true in order to enjoy the game the most =D
Yeah, personally I prefer to believe that they're all seperate. But this theory logically follows. And that counts for something.
 

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Wizzie said:
I wouldn't really include Majora's Mask in this because TP was supposed to be the next gen's classic game and equal to OoT in stature, hence the similarities.
It's nothing to do with timeline and continuation of story.

It's just Nintendo recycling characters & story.
Why wouldn't you include Majora's Mask? It may have well be outright said at the begginign "YOU ARE THE HERO OF TIME, YOU WANT TO FIND NAVI." It's painfully obvious that it's a direct sequel to Ocarina of Time and that it's the same Link.
 

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ZeroMachine said:
I'm sorry, dude, but there wasn't even a single hint of romance between the two. Mine is wild speculation from evidence, that's just wild speculation. No offense meant at all, I just disagree with it.

But hey, like the way I look at my theory, take whatever you want as true in order to enjoy the game the most =D
You're talking about theories, it's all wild speculation, and half the stuff isn't provable and often contradicts other games. But I'm pretty sure it's called The Legend of Zelda for a reason. Legends change over time, what happens in one game often disagrees with another and the fact that Link may have married Malon, is just a wild guess that may or may not be canon, which once again, no one knows what it really is. What we do know is that the CDi games don't exist.
 

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hopeneverdies said:
ZeroMachine said:
I'm sorry, dude, but there wasn't even a single hint of romance between the two. Mine is wild speculation from evidence, that's just wild speculation. No offense meant at all, I just disagree with it.

But hey, like the way I look at my theory, take whatever you want as true in order to enjoy the game the most =D
You're talking about theories, it's all wild speculation, and half the stuff isn't provable and often contradicts other games. But I'm pretty sure it's called The Legend of Zelda for a reason. Legends change over time, what happens in one game often disagrees with another and the fact that Link may have married Malon, is just a wild guess that may or may not be canon, which once again, no one knows what it really is. What we do know is that the CDi games don't exist.
What CDi games? I have no clue of what you speak. :D
 

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It's even been announced that there is no time-line for the TLoZ series. Except for direct sequels like Majora's Mask and Phantom Hourglass, it's a separate Link each time. There is no timeline... although fans, including myself, tend do disagree.