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FlyingSquirrel

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First of all, apologies if this has been brought up before.To be honest, I'd be more surpised than McCarthy at Communist-Day if it hasn't, but I think the rather specific topic and example allow some wiggle room. One can hope at least.

I was watching Kick-Ass with my friends tonight and something struck me. There is something seriously wrong with the society I live in, the United Kingdom to be precise.

The copy I own of this movie is a regular, store bought disc. Rated 15.

Fifteen!? How is it possible for this movie to be rated that low? It would appear to me that the British board of film classification takes some weighted average of "explicit" content when classifying. Sex being weighed more heavily than violence, and much so. There is even an argument as to why, I think this is the case.

Kick-Ass has two particular components of it, that speaks particularly to this point. A 12 year old girl, delivering some exceptional graphical(and awesome) violence and, here's the kicker, burning a human and relatable character alive. This ought to provoke some serious thoughts in most sane adults, not to mention 15 year olds. It isn't even sarcastic in it's portrayal of it, it's downright sadistic.

Now take the other part of the "weighted average", the sex, there is none in the movie discussed. Now think about the following(please follow the argument as expressed, there is a purpose as to why I framed it this way). Had this movie contained a sexual scene with bare breasts, odds are it would have been classified 18, even without the explicit violence.

Doesn't that strike you as odd, consider you are a human? A relationship between two adults by all reason must be more acceptable than, well, purposefully setting people on fire. Right? No, not according to some people.

Sex is wrong and violence is good. This is what, I consider, is being said by the people whom are thinking of the children. Is that really right?

Now before I get trolled to death, I think a few caveats has to be put forth. I am Scandinavian and I grew up in a time where parental discression was exactly that. I have also lived in the UK for several years - and I know there are cultural differences. The classification system itself baffled me at first....
 

Drakmeire

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Its just a broken societal norm many cultures have, tons of murder, violence, torture and, general inhumanity is just slightly bad
but OH NO?! Human Anatomy!, WE MUST PANIC!!! big deal, everyone has a body.
 

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I Think the classification is down to imitation. Although at 15 i think this phase has passed for arguments sake lets say kids at 15 want to imitate kick-ass. Would they more likely imitate sex or burning someone to death...
At the end of the day anyway its a film, seeing it isn't going to mess anyone up too bad.
 

FlyingSquirrel

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Wait...What said:
I Think the classification is down to imitation. Although at 15 i think this phase has passed for arguments sake lets say kids at 15 want to imitate kick-ass. Would they more likely imitate sex or burning someone to death...
At the end of the day anyway its a film, seeing it isn't going to mess anyone up too bad.
You caught the bait good Sir.

My point isn't which is more readily immitated, but what is actually said implicitly about the society itself. It's which of the two that is being portrayed is the accetpable

Small edit, some not so clever errors fixed and message as it was intended
 

DMonkey

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I'm actually going to have to get behind you on this one FlyingSquirrel.
What got me more then violence being okie dokie, and sex, is violence and language.
This struck me a few years ago while watching The Rock with Nicholas Cage. Ole Nicky here shoots some guys ankles out in quite the graphic fashion, then popped one in his head, but they bleeped out the following four letter word? Boy do we got our priorities wrong.

What this means, I don't have a clue. Just seems completely ass backwards.
 

Patrick Dare

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I think the whole "think of the children" argument is flawed to begin with but I won't get into that. I agree with you, it's the same here in the US. Violence seems to be more acceptable than sex (unless maybe it's a video game in which case both are bad).

I was going to say sex is natural but I suppose violence is too and in certain situations violence is acceptable/necessary. However, there will be fewer instances of violence that are acceptable than sex. Trying to keep kids from any information about sex or seeing any nudity doesn't keep them from having sex and I'm pretty sure it's been documented that countries with better sex ed programs have lower rates of STDs and teen pregnancies than places where abstinence-only programs or just poor sex ed programs.
 

Merkavar

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and isnt germany the other way with sex/nudity getting a low rating while any sort of violence bumps the rating up high.
 

Blue_vision

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Idk I think both are censored a bit too much. Kick Ass was rated 18A when I got it in Canada (though somehow I wasn't able to get the God of War 1 and 2 PS3 disk,) but I really don't think that kind of classification is proper. Acting as though 15, 16 or even 17 year olds shouldn't be able to handle the content in it is kind of silly. Really, at the age of 15 or 16 almost all people should be good with almost any content. I'll guess that a good +95% of them have watched an 18+ movie and at least over 50% some kind of porn (internet, huzzah!)

Even more still, the whole stigma against any sexual content is just stupid. Before I thought that it kind of made sense, but I really don't get why a bit of boobage is so bad. Nowadays, I'd probably give a movie that has explicit exposed breast a 15+, and genitalia maybe a 17+. But really, I'd like to think that people should be a lot more comfortable about their bodies so that it'd really be something more like bare boobage being a PG or even G thing, with genitalia a 15+ or something.
 

FlyingSquirrel

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I think for me, although perhaps inadequatly expressed in my original post, is not what type of content ought to be classified at what age group, but rather: Where does the justification come from when classifying and whom's opinion is it based upon.

I know they don't speak for me, my family, friends or my friends' families. Maybe we are all ultra liberals, but I think the degrees of conection(not freedom!) is quickly making that rather presumptious.

Another question, why am I not invited to decide in what society deems acceptable. I consider myself part of society. Even most 15 year olds have more than a concept of society, why are they not invited to discuss what they find acceptable? Clearly they, by sheer reaction to content, must be better judges of content than an arbitrary panel of judges.
 

Lullabye

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Take this from someone who is just coming out of the teenage years.
in 3 years, from the age of 15 to 18, I did not undergo a magical transformation that suddenly steeled my mind from the ravages that society dubs "entertainment". Honestly, I think it's just people need to be more desensitized to this sort of stuff so they stop complaining.
And screw cencorship. Especially in the entertainment industry.
 

Sightless Wisdom

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Ok, so I have an obvious bias and it's that I'm currently 16. I enjoy violence and sex in media just as much as the next guy, the rating system has always been rather irrelevant to me though. It doesn't matter how many years I've been alive, it's about how I perceive things. I think people really care too much about how we rate our media. Whether it's PG or 18+ it should just be an indication of what is going to be in the movie and a prompt for the viewer or the viewers parents in some cases to consider whether or not they should be watching or playing this media.

Additionally, if you can't handle sex and violence by 15, you're gonna have a damn hard life.