To the people who don't pirate: Is life really so bad?

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CirrusEpix

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I mentioned this in another post in the other forum, but I feel that the true black hole in the industry is the rise in USED games sales. For every used game sold, zero $ goes back to the original source. If people cared so much about PIRACY, they should only buy NEW games thus intrusting that money makes its way back to the developer.
 

Bullfrog1983

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iseko said:
A fate well deserved. They just give you demo's with good bits so you would buy a game. And when it turns out to be shit, you already bought it and are stuck with it.

I download a game and if I like it I buy it. Same goes with movies, music and everything else.
I follow this guideline most of the time with PC games and music - the rest of the time if I cannot afford to buy a certain product yet I pirate til' I can.

Any other games I just rent to see if they are any good, and then buy them later on.

Hmm...

Pirate til' I can - sounds like a good slogan
 

CirrusEpix

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And to answer your question. Since my games budget is next to nothing right now, I do a lot more research before buying a game. Sites like this one and GameTrailers give me pure unfiltered reviews and gameplay that I can compare before spending any money.
 

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I don't see the need to buy pirate Dvds and games. They're not that expensive and the quality and risks outweigh the gains.

I do however end up streaming TV shows online that are shown way in advance stateside or not available in the UK, so it's not like I'm anywhere near the moral high ground...
 

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Zelist said:
i love steam, it makes me getting my games easy with next to no drm, its easier then pirating as well and i get tech support.
am i a pirate? im not going to tell you if i am or not, but i buy my video games if they are good.
with all the contraversy of is pirating stealing or not? well what about places like EB games and rogers video and block buster? is renting stealing is buying playing it and then selling it stealing? i mean you got to use the games intelectual property which at the time you owned and then you got to get most of your money back and that money doesn't even goto the developer(stores like this are actually the reason it costs so much for a video game in the first place) but copying a game so people can play it, my thats a bad idea, we need parents to buy 2 copies of the games for there kids, why dont foot ball makers require every kid on the foot ball team buy a foot ball? the video game movie and music industry make me sick, the creation of most video games and movies and music CD's and DVD's is less then $.50 why are we paying $50-60 for them? video games are the only real excusable ones they dont charge $10 to try them out for 2 hours at the cinema, they dont charge you $20-$50 a ticket to play them in a concert hall
You can sell your game because you have the right sell your property. When you bought the game you bought the disc, box, anything that came inside the box, and a LICENSE to use the software. You can sell all that stuff. You cannot sell/distribute copies of the software, because it's owned by the developers.
 

matrix3509

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You know I could write about a million words on the philosophical evils of copywrite law, and the bullshit phrase "intellectual property" is a mask, and how it is hopelessly out of place in today's fairly liberal society, but I think I'll save everyone the pain of reading my wall of text.

Suffice it to say:

Go watch "Steal This Film" Parts 1 and 2.

EDIT: My point being, in case you missed it, is that people who want to pay somebody for their creation will continue to do so, and the people who don't, will not, and there is no possible way to stop such things from occuring.
 

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Archaon6044 said:
the pirated game has to have come from somewhere, and that somewhere is going to be a purchased copy of the software in question. the money has gone to the publishers and developers.

the pirated copies are just available incarnations of that software that have been made available to the onloine comunity.
money for the software has already changed hands. the only thing being lost is store sales of the software.
not a valid legal argument.

all software (including every CD in every box ever) is just a copy of the original, you pay for the right to copy it. its the same for software as it is for things like music, print media, TV or films. there is allways one 'master copy' and you buy copys of that master. this argument has long be settled and all the specious arguments that justify stealing have been ruled on ages ago atleast here in the states.

the makers of software not only have the rights to sell copys of that software they aslo have a right to controll distribution. the only thing that hasent REALLY been settled yet is so called 'fair use'.

do i as a buyer have a right too allow someone else to access my purchase. the obvious answer is yes, but there comes a point when my being able to do what i choose with my copy comes into conflict with the companys right to make money off their work. its pretty cimple for me actualy , if you dont KNOW and have a long standing established relationship of some kind with the person that is making a copy of your CD than its not fair use.

good luck trying to write that into law though. i can just see a 14 year old school kid being brought into court and having to convince a judge that this other kid they let use their copy of HALO was really his BFF for atleast a year, with the game company summoning witnesses saying that the other kid was a new transfer and the first kid couldnt have possable known him for that long.

companys are often stupid and greedy, consumers are mostly stupid as well as greedy, and generaly the only ones that actualy win in a situation like this is the lawyers.

for right now piracy is just the cost of doing business, you can either come up with a new business model or waste time trying to fix the old one by trying to stop piracy, but thas kinda like trying to hold back the tide or stop the sun in its orbit.

simple truth is we are either going to have to come up with some way to impose laws and regulations on the web, or most forms of media will die out as we know them. a basic rule of life is that people wont PAY for something they can get for free.

ive watched this very topic evolve over the last 10 years or so. hell the topic has evolved with my OWN thinking, i started out shocked and a bit miffed at the 'scum' that would pirate. but even at first there was a little voice in my head that was just miffed that i couldnt (at the time) do it and admired the pirats that could. now years later i COULD do it but choose not too, and whats worse from the industry point of view, there is now actual cases where i SUPPORT piracy, (such as with Spore). give it another 10 years and maybe my last bit of 'morality' will be totaly gone and ill join the rest of the world in thinking that just because i cant afford something that im still entitled too it anyhow even if it means i have to dream up some lame excuse that no one with an ounce of brains doesnt see through instiantly to justify it, like the person i quoted tryed to do.
 

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The internet gives us near-limitless access to everything digital. There is so much content available that maintaining control of digital property is unrealistic. There needs to be a paradigm shift in order for musicians and software developers to survive in a digital age. Musicians can make money other ways: performing, merchandising, commercial use. Game devs have a harder time, but new options are emerging: in-game advertising, microtransactions, memberships, etc. Developers used to have ONE shot to get revenue from you, but things are changing.

The question we have to ask is this: do we want digital media going the way of Television or the way of film? You pay to see a film, while the TV and radio play commercials. The choice is yours. As long as the gaming console is a viable platform, piracy won't be an easy option-and that's a good thing (unless we're talking about a pure software mod).

As for my personal habits, I don't pirate games. I find that I enjoy what I have more if I don't have access to everything. I don't mind the emulation of abandonware, since software isn't usually supported or profitable beyond the lifecycle of the platform.
 

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Richard Groovy Pants said:
Monkfish Acc. said:
Does watching movies and anime over the internet count as pirating?
If you bought the rights for it then no. If you didn't then shame on you, you pirate.
Ah. Well, in my defence, I have no clue where I'd get anime where I live. As for the movies, well, erm... I hate the cinema?
 

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I tend to avoid piracy.

If you want something good then just wait and spend the money on it and give money to the people who took time to put it all together and give them the money they rightly deserve. If you pirate stuff your ripping off good musicians, game developers and movies out of money they should rightly be earning.If you spend money on there products in future they can have the money to do more because they have that money that they have earnt from previous sales.

When i was alot younger i used to pirate quite a bit obviosuly being younger i didnt get much income and didnt see the bad side of it and only saw my benefits. But looking back i actually feel quite bad because i could have just waited and bought it and the money would have gone to a good cause and helped the people who made it.

Wouldnt you be pissed off if you made something and everyone pirated it and you got alot of the moeny your rightfully earned taken away from you?

With alot of recession now aswel music artists and game developers etc are suffering because people dont have money to buy it or want to buy it and more and more people tend to be pirating stuff today.

If you want it so bad you will wait and spend the money on it. If its too expensive wait for it to go down in price. If you do happen to buy something that is rubbish, you have a recipt take it back and get a refund.
 

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Richard Groovy Pants said:
I3uster said:
I onyl pirate games with DRM.
They need to learn their lesson
That's not teaching them their lesson. That's proving them right.
If you want to "teach them their lesson" then don't buy the damned DRM'd product.
His points are 1.) by pirating he's proving DRM isn't serving it's purpose and 2.) he's still getting to play the awesome games, unlike suckers like me who have to suffer by serving the law.

With alot of recession now aswel music artists and game developers etc are suffering because people dont have money to buy it or want to buy it and more and more people tend to be pirating stuff today.
Well, for starters, music artists still seem to be pretty damn rich when compared to most civil servants who work their guts out (here in the UK anyway) and secondly, if game developers made games with substance over [expensive to create] style and sold their games at a reasonable price, they wouldn't have a problem with the current economic climate.
 

fenrizz

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Terramax said:
Richard Groovy Pants said:
I3uster said:
I onyl pirate games with DRM.
They need to learn their lesson
That's not teaching them their lesson. That's proving them right.
If you want to "teach them their lesson" then don't buy the damned DRM'd product.
His points are 1.) by pirating he's proving DRM isn't serving it's purpose and 2.) he's still getting to play the awesome games, unlike suckers like me who have to suffer by serving the law.
^this
I really wanted to play Spore, but dident want the nasty DRM that followed it. and im not much for downloading games.
 

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Anton P. Nym said:
It's absolutely hypocritical to take a game without paying for it, and then justify the taking by saying you weren't going to pay for it anyway. It's especially mind-boggling because it's not even being taken out of desperation; it's a frickin' game. The world won't end if you don't play it.
But I wasn't going to pay for it. I don't think it's worth my money. I do, however, think it's worth the cost of time it takes me to download it. I really wouldn't buy most of the stuff, even if downloading didn't exist. And if there is no scenario in which I would otherwise have given them my money, how exactly are they losing the money I would never give them anyway?

Gladion said:
It's always the same shitty flawed points those people give, there's really no point in arguing about this. People pirate because it doesn't feel like a crime. It's the same for driving too fast. It doesn't feel like a crime, so it is none...
I mean, really, you can't have someone draw a picture for you, then go to the next copy shop, xerox this picture and give him the original back, saying "oh, there you go, I don't want to pay you, keep it!" That's just bullshit and people can't tell me they really are stupid enough to believe this is not stealing. It's not your regular way of stealing, but it's still getting something without giving something back.
See, I still argued about this. It just makes me furious how people try to justify this.
I'm perfectly aware of the fact that downloading is illegal. It's a crime. But it is most certainly not stealing, which is an entirely different crime. In a theft, someone loses something. In software piracy, someone gains something. There's a world of difference between the two.

When you steal, you deprive someone of their property. You take it from them. That's not "getting something without giving anything back", that's "taking something without giving anything back". If you define stealing with, by your own words, "getting something without giving something back", then every person who has ever accepted a gift is a thief. Because they got something, and due to the nature of gifts, didn't give anything in return as part of the transaction.
 

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If a company has stopped receiving money from a game, like it's an old PC game that I can't find anywhere except some dude in Utah who doesn't know about "fair price strategy", then I pirate if I can. If the game is new, I'll buy directly from the publisher. If their prices are somewhat off, I'll buy used from Gamestop, but I really hate giving money to that evil machine.
 

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Erana said:
Now, to my fellow non-pirates, is your life really that miserable because you have to go without, or paid for what you have?
Goodness no, my life is great and I pay for all my music, games--anything, really.
 

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Nomadic said:
If you define stealing with, by your own words, "getting something without giving something back", then every person who has ever accepted a gift is a thief. Because they got something, and due to the nature of gifts, didn't give anything in return as part of the transaction.
A 'gift' is receiving something because the other party wanted you to own it without charge. On the contrary, piracy is taking the something without the party's consent to do so. That is stealing, right?
 

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Terramax said:
Nomadic said:
If you define stealing with, by your own words, "getting something without giving something back", then every person who has ever accepted a gift is a thief. Because they got something, and due to the nature of gifts, didn't give anything in return as part of the transaction.
A 'gift' is receiving something because the other party wanted you to own it without charge. On the contrary, piracy is taking the something without the party's consent to do so. That is stealing, right?
No, it is unauthorized copying