NoctisXZ said:
I absolutely love how you immediately dismissed my response to your posts.. it doesn't even really seem like you read all of it, if any of it.. also before I dive into your post I just wanted to take a moment to say that the word "fanboy" is tossed around a little to much. It's become a deflective shield of sorts by those who can't offer a truly valid response to someone else's criticism.
If you bothered to read what I had to say you would know that I do/have acknowledged the failure that was the release of the game. Your post isn't constructive in the least and it hardly can be called a response to my post... you're just regurgitating things that everyone already knows for lack of having anything better to say.
No, I'm reiterating things other people have said because (and do try to keep up here) it happens to be the majority opinion of the game, and yet you and yours will still defend it. "Yes, it has flaws, but OMG it's such a great game and everyone's just biased against it!" Which is why the game was universally panned and coughed up players at such a rapid rate that it was nearly as big of an embarrassment as SWTOR, if not moreso. Because clearly, YOU are the one who is right and everyone else is obviously wrong.
This is what we refer to as a "delusion". You need to get beyond it before there will be anything of value to discuss here.
It is not myself who is biased.. but it is you, perhaps you just don't like the genre the series is in or you just simply don't like Final Fantasy.
Yes, obviously if I dislike this game, I must be an avid hater of RPGs and of role playing itself!
Of course, then you'll need to explain why most of my game collection is full of both WRPGs and JRPGs, including several FF games as well as other titles you've likely never heard of. And let's not go into my connections to role playing outside of video games.
So basically my counterargument to this can be summarized thusly: ***** please, if anything I likely have more of a connection to the genre than YOU do.
Nice fail of an ad hominem, though.
seriously though, my faith in humanity has been completely lost if anyone watching that video can not pick up the basic premise of what's going on.
The "basic premise" is as it's been described by several other people in this thread. "Big flashy battle, then a dragon shows up and blows shit up." And the game's defenders (such as yourself) continue to brand that as an oversimplification. The problem is, that's ALL this video shows us. Anyone who didn't play the game is left wondering wtf all that was about, and that's a failing on the devs.
-Two sides are clashing in battle (Most people would assume a war of sorts is going on)
-Fire rains down on the world (Destruction anyone?)
-Dragon proceeds to go on a rampage (More destruction anyone?)
Congrats, you've just described World of Warcraft, as well as Skyrim, and GW2, and....oh, wait, you were trying to point out how unique and amazing the game was for using some of the most common fantasy tropes out there, tropes that at least three recent titles have used no less. But no, totally original. Sorry, continue.
-Gandolf.. err, I mean.. that old guy is obviously trying to protect people from it (Obvious given there face to face showdown)
-Not to mention the trailer itself is labeled as Final Fantasy 14: A Realm Reborn - End of an Era (Do I really have to spoon feed the relevancy of that to you?)
It's completely irrelevant what the trailer is labeled. If you were linked to this video with no title attached, you wouldn't know the game's title until the last few seconds when the title card comes on. What matters is what they do with the time, and this trailer doesn't use its time well. They have to remember, they're not WoW. WoW had over ten million players at multiple points in its life, a lot of folks recognize at least bits and pieces of WoW. No one recognizes FF14 from a glance because few people ever played it. They need to stand out and impress people before that title card hits, and it's clear from reactions in this thread that the only people impressed were those who were already playing or played in the past, i.e. NOT the people Enix needs to make this game return to prominence. Ergo, they blew it.
And thank you, btw, for admitting that it IS a trailer rather than lying to yourself about how it's "only a cutscene" and not meant to be an advertisement for the game in any way.
I just don't understand how you could have a serious problem with this trailer but not with the Cataclysm trailer or any other game trailer for that matter based on your points. You NEVER get a firm understanding from these things.. they are not meant to tell you everything about the game. They are simply meant to get you interested in the game enough to look into it.. nothing more, nothing less. So to try and take this down based on that is ABSOLUTELY showing YOUR biased..
No one said the trailer has to tell everything about the game. But the goal of a trailer is to attract interest, and this one recycles something that people have already seen at least THREE times in the last few years alone. How do they expect to stand out with that?
And I think you need to read my post again. I clearly stated that I know this whole "no gameplay, all CGI" bullshit is becoming a "thing" but I still think it's stupid. Show me your game in your trailer. If you can't do that, you're not going to get my interest. Anyone can make a flashy CGI trailer, but hiding behind one, at least to me, is a warning.
I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment and critique the Cataclysm trailer based on your.. hmm, trailer philosophy if you will.
Oh, this'll be good. *grabs popcorn*
Keep in mind that I've never played WoW whatsoever, so I'll be viewing as a neutral party (well, more neutral than you)
- Why is that dragon underground?
The common trope is that the world is all peaceful and shit until the dragons pop out of the ground and blow things up. So, presumably, it's sticking with the trope. I'm sure there's a lore reason for it, but the most obvious reason would be this: where else is a giant dragon gonna come from? The moon?
- Why are people hammering armor onto it? It's a dragon!
- Who are those people?
No clue, but the trailer shows them for only a short while so it's safe to presume they're not that important to the story. Unless the chocobos in the FF14 are also plot-critical characters whose origins we simply MUST know, this is just you being nitpicky and ridiculous.
- How is it just now causing tsunamis and the like? Was it staying still the whole time while it was underground until just now?
I have to assume you're joking, because this is actually pretty easily explained. A giant dragon just popped out and its flying around disrupting the state of the planet because that's what dragons DO.
Hell, that's what large objects do! It would only take an asteroid the size of Texas impacting Earth to significantly change the *entire* planet, possibly covering the whole planet in massive dust clouds for quite a long time. A large enough dragon, if it existed, would naturally bring climate change by sheer virtue of its size and scale.
- Why is a trail of fire following it wherever it goes?
I imagine it has something to do with the volcanic land it emerged from? Or perhaps, ya know, being a dragon....it has a link to fire, since dragons, ya know....tend to breathe fire? Just a thought. >_>
- Why does it hate Azeroth?
What in the trailer suggests that directly? The dragon states that it wants to blow up Azeroth, but that doesn't imply hatred. It may just be his job (world-destroying forces being a "force of nature" or part of a "natural cycle" is also a common trope).
Going by all that we can safely assume that the Cataclysm trailer has failed. Because as a potential new fan I have absolutely no idea what's going on unless I look up the lore! -Rolls eyes-
No, see, this is just you taking my argument to an obviously ridiculous extreme, mostly in desperation to prove my "bias" against your "waifu".
But the thing is.. I do! Because ANYONE can get a basic understanding of what's going on in that trailer just by using a small portion of their brain. The trailer/expansion is called CATACLYSM.. and what do you know.. a huge dragon is causing catastrophes.. some serious stuff is about to go down! The 14 trailer is no different from that..
Actually it's very different. The Cataclysm trailer succeeds through sheer simplicity. There's a dragon, he blows shit up. And he explains how he's gonna blow shit up because he's a big bad dragon and that's how he rolls.
FF14's trailer clearly features several plot-critical elements that NO ONE who hasn't played the game would understand. There is a massive battle between two factions (which isn't explained), a dragon which emerges from a giant orb thing (which isn't explained), Gandalf shows up and there's cuts to several glowy pillars of light with people praying, presumably some form of magic or prayer to beat the dragon (but which still aren't explained), the dragon doesn't die and promptly blows up *everything* but not before Gandalf teleports them somewhere (to where? who cares, that isn't explained either). There are a number of things in there which are essentially expecting a newcomer to just "follow along" without asking questions. Which is fine if you're trying to attract mindless drones, but I'm afraid WoW has all of those, and you're not going to steal WoW's drones from it.
You really shouldn't label your own opinions as the general thought of the masses. During the final event on twitch feeds a lot of people were watching who had never played the game. They didn't understand everything that was going on.. but they were excited by it, interested by it.. that's what those things are designed to do! It's not rocket science.
We'll see in a year or two when the game still has a low subscriber count, won't we?
How to address your last paragraph... hmm.. to start. Bahamut has been a stable of the Final Fantasy series for a very long time, he's up there as one of the most recognizable summons/enemies and for the most part he is a harbinger of destruction of sorts. At this point you're just making shit up.. because since the beginning of time, the beginning of fantasy dragons have been used for these types of things.. so to say it's just now becoming a popular trend is a good laugh.
Firstly, the word is "staple".
Second, according to the other poster I quoted, that isn't Bahamut. It's "Dalamud". Nice job completely destroying your own argument with your own lack of knowledge about the game you're defending.
Third, dragons are a recurring trope, that's true, but they are abnormally popular of late because of the multitude of games recently that pivot entirely around massive world-breaking dragons ruining everything. To deny that would require essentially plugging your ears, covering your eyes, and screaming out loud to block out any sensory input from the last decade. Seriously.
Really, this is just laughable. XD
As soon as I saw the trailer I knew that the comparison you just made was going to happen. But to my surprise I haven't seen it pop up a lot. It seems that as gamers we have evolved somewhat.. you know that joke about The Simpsons? Believe South Park used it before.. about how The Simpsons have done it first/done everything so everything else is just copying and a waste of time.. ya.. do I need to explain how silly that argument is?
No one said that copying is necessarily bad. In fact, the post you quoted (but didn't read) also clearly states that it's perfectly fine to copy. Just don't claim that you're being totally original as you blatantly rip off your competitors. That's like Sony claiming that Sony All Stars is "original" despite being a rather blatant format rip from Smash Brothers.
You're posts stink of anti-FF sentiment. And that's alright.. games aren't for everyone. You don't have to like them.. but to try and make justifications of why they suck and everything involving them sucks.. why a whole genre sucks just because you don't like it needs to stop.
Just come out and say you don't like the games. So now you may go on ahead and ignore everything I've said for a second time because of your blind hate..
No, I'm not ignoring you because I "hate Final Fantasy" (never mind that I own several of the titles, including FF10, which is a guilty pleasure of mine because of its superior combat system....though Tidus needs to go die, AGAIN).
I'm ignoring you because you clearly have no clue what the hell you're talking about. You demonstrate that rather clearly by not reading the post you quoted, by misinterpreting footage from the game you're vehemently defending, and by denying the reality that FF14 was universally panned while trying to spin this narrative that my opinion of the game is somehow a minority opinion. You're not even educated about the game, much less popular opinion of the game, so why should I acknowledge you as any sort of 'authority' whatsoever?
