Trump's "Miracle COVID-19 Cure" Derived From Abortion Tissue?

[lil devils x]

Trump’s antibody treatment was tested using cells originally derived from an abortion

"This week, President Donald Trump extolled the cutting-edge coronavirus treatments he received as “miracles coming down from God.” If that’s true, then God employs cell lines derived from human fetal tissue.

The emergency antibody that Trump received last week was developed with the use of a cell line originally derived from abortion tissue, according to Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, the company that developed the experimental drug."


"Last Friday, as Trump developed worrisome symptoms of covid-19, the president received an emergency cocktail of anti-coronavirus antibodies made by Regeneron. These molecules are manufactured in cells from a hamster’s ovary, so-called “CHO” cells, according to the company—not in human cells.

But cells originally derived from a fetus were used in another way. According to Regeneron, laboratory tests used to assess the potency of its antibodies employed a standardized supply of cells called HEK 293T, whose origin was kidney tissue from an abortion in the Netherlands in the 1970s.

Since then, the 293T cells have been “immortalized,” meaning they keep dividing in the lab, somewhat like a cancer, and have undergone other genetic changes and additions.

According to Regeneron, it and many other labs employ 293T cells to manufacture virus “pseudoparticles,” which are virus-like structures that contain the “spike” protein of the deadly coronavirus. It needs those to test how well different antibodies will neutralize the virus.

The two antibodies Regeneron eventually put forward as an experimental treatment, which may have saved Trump’s life, would have been selected using exactly such tests. Because the 293T cells were acquired so long ago, and have lived so long in the laboratory, they are no longer thought of as involving abortion politics."

Trump’s antibody treatment was tested using cells originally derived from an abortion

The Trump administration has looked to curtail research with fetal cells. But when it was life or death for the president, no one objected.

www.technologyreview.com

I am going to guess his anti abortion base really isn't going to care though tbh. Anything to save their Golden Boy right?

 

[Cheetodust]

It's honestly like he's testing his evangelical base at this stage. I'm guessing it's gonna be different somehow and this is actually him owning libs for reasons.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I am going to guess his anti abortion base really isn't going to care though tbh. Anything to save their Golden Boy right?

Not going to care, but I suspect selective blindness rather than overtly stating he's special.

 

[Houseman]

So the cells were originally from an abortion in 1970, but now they divide infinitely in a lab, and the antibodies were merely tested on these cells. Neat.

Knowing this, if you're against abortion, would you take such a "cure"?

It's like, if a person were murdered decades ago, and his research stolen by a rival pharmaceutical company, would you not take any drugs from that company because you're against murder and theft?

I'd say that the act is so far removed from the original "crime" that it becomes a non-issue. It's not like they're killing a baby for every new batch of drugs.

Another day, another Trump-based media attack that turns out to be nothing. Just like every single day of the last 4 years.

 

[Shadyside]

Our lives are made by the death of others.

 

[Agema]

So the cells were originally from an abortion in 1970, but now they divide infinitely in a lab, and the antibodies were merely tested on these cells. Neat.

Knowing this, if you're against abortion, would you take such a "cure"?

One would have to ask someone from the anti-abortion movement, but on principle the answer to this is usually that they should refuse the treatment.

Whether a 50-year-old cell line derived from an abortion or a bunch of cells from an abortion that was done yesterday, it is still the immoral exploitation of a killed human organism. As a comparison, you don't find vegans arguing leather shoes may be okay as long as the animal was murdered for its meat as that hide would otherwise just go to waste.

 

[Houseman]

One would have to ask someone from the anti-abortion movement, but on principle the answer to this is usually that they should refuse the treatment.

Whether a 50-year-old cell line derived from an abortion or a bunch of cells from an abortion that was done yesterday, it is still the immoral exploitation of a killed human organism. As a comparison, you don't find vegans arguing leather shoes may be okay as long as the animal was murdered for its meat as that hide would otherwise just go to waste.

Surely you're against murder and theft. Like I said, if a person were murdered decades ago, and his research stolen by a rival pharmaceutical company, would you not take any drugs from that company because you're against murder and theft?

Also, the vegan analogy is too direct. It wouldn't be leather shoes, it would be wearing socks that were tested by people who wore them with leather shoes. Or it would be pleather shoes that were created after killing an animal and studying real leather.

 

[MrCalavera]

TBF using a substance harvested from babies(as by definition of pro-birthers) would explain Trump's quick comeback to form.

Side note:

I like this new Donald.

 

[Kwak]

So the cells were originally from an abortion in 1970, but now they divide infinitely in a lab, and the antibodies were merely tested on these cells. Neat.

Knowing this, if you're against abortion, would you take such a "cure"?

It's like, if a person were murdered decades ago, and his research stolen by a rival pharmaceutical company, would you not take any drugs from that company because you're against murder and theft?

I'd say that the act is so far removed from the original "crime" that it becomes a non-issue. It's not like they're killing a baby for every new batch of drugs.

Another day, another Trump-based media attack that turns out to be nothing. Just like every single day of the last 4 years.

According to the Catholics, this is against their beliefs. So, yes, someone who is seriously anti-reproductive rights should find this ethically repulsive.

We don't need aborted fetal tissue to fight coronavirus, say ethicists

Efforts to combat the spread of coronavirus should not be used to override ethical restrictions on the use of aborted fetal tissue in medical research, Catholic bioethicists have warned.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

Another day, another Trump-based media attack that turns out to be nothing. Just like every single day of the last 4 years.

Another day, another attempted shallow sophistry to explain how the shit sandwich is perfectly nutritious.

 

[Houseman]

According to the Catholics, this is against their beliefs. So, yes, someone who is seriously anti-reproductive rights should find this ethically repulsive.

We don't need aborted fetal tissue to fight coronavirus, say ethicists

Efforts to combat the spread of coronavirus should not be used to override ethical restrictions on the use of aborted fetal tissue in medical research, Catholic bioethicists have warned.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

From your source:

The 2008 Vatican document Dignitatis Personae strongly criticized aborted fetal tissue research, but regarding common vaccines—such as those for chicken pox and measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR)—that are derived from cell lines of aborted babies, the Vatican said they could be used by parents for “grave reasons” such as danger to their children’s health.

“The Church certainly thinks this shouldn’t happen,” Brehany said of the existing vaccines for measles and chicken pox that are derived from cell lines of aborted babies. “But until there are alternatives, can people benefit at least from the current cell lines being used of the current vaccines being developed? The short answer is ‘yes’.”

 

[Fieldy409]

 

[Drathnoxis]

A treatment made in a hamster's ovaries. This of course means that Trump will soon mutate into a half man, half hamster, half cheeto hybrid. This could be an improvement. It'll be a lot more difficult for him to spew nonsense when his cheeks are packed full of nuts and seeds.

 

[Kwak]

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More context...

Catholics back archbishops on vaccine | The Catholic Weekly

Archbishop Fisher has support from Catholics who say an ethical option will boost vaccination uptake.

www.catholicweekly.com.au

“There are many persons and families across many faith traditions who would not access vaccines developed with the use of aborted foetal cell lines. This will be problematic if the vaccine becomes mandatory,” said the ACMA letter which has been published on its website.

“If there is no ethically derived COVID-19 vaccine, we expect there will be a portion of the community who will have concerns that may lead to reduced population coverage at a time when coverage is critical.

“To be clear, we do not oppose the development of a vaccine, but believe that the issue of vaccine selection and choice is important both medically and morally.

“It is something which the government of a tolerant and diverse society should support and address now, so as to ensure that good decisions are made, and that there is sensible public discussion.”

Sydney Catholic Catherine Nunes told The Catholic Weekly she would defy any authorities “that would seek to compel people to cooperate in this evil” of elective abortion.

So yeah, they definitely consider it 'problematic'. It's a real thing that exists.

 

[Elijin]

If god didn't want us to steal from babies, why did he give us an idiom about how easy it is?

 

[Kwak]

If god didn't want us to steal from babies, why did he give us an idiom about how easy it is?

God lets Satan give humanity various 'gifts' too. It's basically just a big shadow op/false flag.

 

[tstorm823]

More context...

Catholics back archbishops on vaccine | The Catholic Weekly

Archbishop Fisher has support from Catholics who say an ethical option will boost vaccination uptake.

www.catholicweekly.com.au

So yeah, they definitely consider it 'problematic'. It's a real thing that exists.

Well, it is problematic. You don't need to be a Catholic for find it morally questionable to derive medicine from dead babies. The stances expressed in your links are totally reasonable: "we're not boycotting these things, we're not discouraging people from getting vaccinated, but it's be better if the vaccines weren't derived from abortions (no matter how far removed) so that people don't have to have an ethical dilemma over vaccination."

 

[Agema]

Surely you're against murder and theft. Like I said, if a person were murdered decades ago, and his research stolen by a rival pharmaceutical company, would you not take any drugs from that company because you're against murder and theft?

Also, the vegan analogy is too direct. It wouldn't be leather shoes, it would be wearing socks that were tested by people who wore them with leather shoes. Or it would be pleather shoes that were created after killing an animal and studying real leather.

Well, to be clear, I don't have a problem with abortion or use of fetal tissue and cell lines. I'm just relating what many people do have a problem with them tend to say. You take that drug based on dead babies, you're justifying the use of dead babies. If you allow it for the one, how do you then oppose the other drugs that are too?

Of course, one might note that such moral stances are often more flexible when facing ill-health. Linda McCartney was furiously against drug testing on animals and thought people should not take drugs tested on animals, but when she came down with cancer ended up on chemotherapy drugs that were tested on animals.

 

[Shadyside]

He's now claiming he's immune.

 

[Agema]

He's now claiming he's immune.

Sort of. If he chewed on a mouthful of SARS-CoV-2 , I think he'd have one hell of a bad week irrespective of his heightened immune response.

It also doesn't mean he can't be infectious, although he should be much lower risk.

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

I dont care about what ppl do with dead things in the pursuit of scientific advancement. My body is literally signed off and awaiting unceremonious death to get in on that shit. And babies are especially ripe for harvesting the best of human cells from. Succulent delights they are. But this is certainly a detail more aimed at the trump base to gauge their oft depressing reactions.