KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
Bob_McMillan said:
So our family of seven is having our last hurrah before my older sister moves out, and to do this we are going to go on a trip to Europe. We are visiting Spain (Madrid, Zaragoza, and Barcelona), France (Paris and Lourdes), and Rome. Any advice? Its been seven years since we traveled as a whole family, and my sisters were all babies then.
Oh, and a few more specific questions:
1) Is pickpocketing really that much of a problem? Especially in Spain?
2) Is it better to have smaller luggage? I heard that bringing huge suitcases on the trains is impossible.
Well on a personal opinion level you're visiting places I'd avoid like the plague. Still it's nice to have a good family trip every once in a while to an exotic place. Especially if you have a decent size family to do it with.
1) It's a problem, but mostly for tourists. Any European will also tell you to avoid Gypsies like your life depends on it(and it could.)
2) Generally for any travel smaller luggage is the best bet. If it gets lost it's easier and cheaper to replace for one. For another Huge rolling suit cases will make people resent you. Also if you're taking any public transportation you'll have massive difficulty with it. A decent size Samsonite suitcase is probably the largest thing you'll want to have, possibly with a carry-on if necessary.
Nailed it first quote.
I've only been to France out of the lot, to exactly where you've been. Gypsies. Avoid them. If you can't, tell them [Nicely] to fuck of, or that you're not interested. If anyone is walking around asking if someone speaks English, DO NOT RESPOND. DO NOT MAKE EYE CONTACT. Generally these people start running when the police show up [Seen first hand near the Eiffel tower], as well as other gypsies. You CAN sometimes safely buy something like a small souvenir from them if they're peddling them, but you are far better off just getting them at a legit shop.
Pickpockets can be bad or not bad depending on where you go. Generally, having a concealed money belt helps, only ever bring as much money as you plan to spend [Minimum plans, not maximum] on any given day to any given place, and try to keep most of it on card + some emergency supplies and backup cards you keep safe in the safe in your hotel room. If anything gets stolen, it won't be much, and you'll have enough to continue on, a bit wiser and more careful.
Also, some pickpockets are crafty, and fast. Its best to try and blend in a bit, so you're less of a target, but you also need to be wary of anyone, and keep a constant check on your belongings [Not obviously though]. I think there was some test done in some city in Italy where a guy went out and flashed his [Fake] rolex to see how long it would take to disappear. Less than a minute. Naturally this is an extreme, and probably highly exaggerated, case, however it is a good way to let you know to be careful.
Additionally, my parents went around Spain before I was born, and they ran into some crafty pickpocketers. A couple of kids who looked poor and had a sign asking for money. They'd use it to get close, jam the sign into your chest, cut out your wallet [Block off LoS to your pockets and belt], and run before you could react. Trust no-one, if possible.
All that said, I toured Europe [Turkey, Greece, England and Sicily] on my own at the start of last year, and had no problems at all, not even remotely. We also went through France a few years back, and the biggest problem we had was with gypsies trying to get us to buy things. Its not as doom and gloom as I my be seeming to make it out to be, but it is definitely something to be aware of, and to plan and prepare for.
Further tips, especially from France: Be polite, be understanding, and be courteous. Now, this is most difficult in France TBH. As a poster above pointed out, they don't like New World's French. At the same time, my grandparents have had trouble as they didn't even try to speak French in Paris, and the French hated them for that too. Its a tough line to walk, but in general if you have a few basic phrases down, and try to pronounce them correctly and with the correct tones, it'll go a long way. Speaking a lot of French when its your second language can be a bad move, but they seem to appreciate the little touches.
Additionally, at the expense of possibly sounding racist, there is one thing tour guides in most European countries have said to our group when we joined them: "Thank god, you're not more Americans", which then proceeds to gossip over how bad their previous group was. Whilst naturally it is nowhere near all of the country, or even tourists, in my travels it seems Americans have a habit of making a bad name for themselves as tourists. I've heard a lot of horror stories about their behaviour, and witnessed some pretty bad ones myself. Key among these wasn't that they were American, but that they were often loud and obnoxious, arrogant, and didn't care about local issues. This certainly isn't exclusive to Americans [I have a New Zealander friend who is one of these people -.-], but its the nation that comes up most often so, without having checked your nationality or W/E, if you are American, do pay extra care to being polite, as the way things are done in Europe may not be the way things are done back home, and you may be unintentionally being rude without meaning to [Best explanation I can come up with as to why Americans get bought up the most by tour guides I've spoken to, and the only reason I'm bringing nationality up here]. Additionally I'll throw out there that there have been some tour guides who have loved the Americans they've been with, so its not a matter of you're American you're doomed - its just a matter of be conscientious of the people around you, and you'll be fine. Just something everyone should pay attention to.
Now for some fun Horror stories, that we can all agree are just terrible:
1. From Hotel staff. The country was in the middle of a drought, and they had a man stay with them who couldn't understand why he wasn't allowed to have a half hour shower every day during water restrictions, and got abusive when the hotel fined him for it.
2. From personal eye witness. A couple who walked into a [French, no less, so they were doomed for doing this] restaurant, and without waiting for a waiter or anything just walked in, sat down, and demanded a waiter come to them to be served. Unsurprisingly, an hour later once we'd finished our meal, they were still sitting there, without having been serviced. The restaurant staff were, amusingly, to offended to even talk to them to kick them out of the restaurant, and were content to just let them show themselves out when they were ready.
3. From a tour guide. Went past the location of a semi-historic shooting that happened to be behind the introduction of more stringent gun laws [Not a main attraction naturally, but something over on the side]. Because this offended his idea that guns should be available to all, the tourist decided to lecture the tour guide on firearm availability politics, and generally make the tour unenjoyable for everyone.
Additionally, some smaller points that get bought up:
1. Don't compare big monuments to something back home and go "Oh, our's is bigger". There are some giant, purpose-built to be giant, castles in America. If you've seen one, and find a smaller castle in Europe that you're touring not as impressive, don't say it. It should be common sense, but your tour guide doesn't want to be told that their tour isn't as interesting as another one you've been on, or not even as interesting as your home town in some cases, and truth be told, they probably view those massive 'designer' castles that weren't built to defend a strategic position as just overcompensation by some rich nut. Talking about other historic or cool things you've seen is a great way to bond with the tour guide, but try not to compare them, and if pressed don't say that the other one is outright better. At the very least come up with some better things about the one their showing.
2. No even slightly racist remarks, or comments on their politics [Even if it doesn't turn into a lecture]. People have a different way of life than you. I'm sure a lot of Americans will take offence at the fact that I have seemingly singled them out as being bad tourists [Which I've tried to go out of the way to say I'm not]. You can imagine how the same would happen in another country. If you're in India, don't make a joke about all Indians being bad drivers. If you're in Scotland, don't make jokes about everyone being drunks. And if you're in France, dear god do not make jokes about their arrogance - that's a surefire ticket to pissing them off. It'll differ from tour guide to tour guide, but be safe and just don't do it. Don't question their home country and people, just accept it and keep any negative thoughts to yourself.
3. Pay attention to the schedule, and stick to it. There have been tour guides that have been stuck for 20 minutes or so waiting for a couple who decided that, with 5 minutes left until meeting time, it'd be a great time to have an expensive lunch at a nice restaurant. There have also been a lot of tour guides who will acknowledge leaving those people behind because they cannot wait for them. They weren't missed, as their arrogance did them no favours. The tour doesn't revolve around you, even if you are the only people on it. The tour revolves around what you are seeing, and then you. The schedule dictates what you are seeing, and thus, unless its a private tour with a guide that doesn't have a pre-determined route, you stick to the schedule.
Being 5 minutes late isn't too bad, but I've been on that end when I went to Greece - I couldn't contact the tour company to confirm my tour, so I decided to play it safe and wait until after pickup time had well and truly passed before leaving the hotel. At about 5 minutes past pickup time, they called the hotel, and informed me that pickup had been moved to another hotel about 2 streets down. A hectic minute dash down the streets later, I was aboard, and the everyone on the tour was already making snide comments about me holding them up 5 minutes. Understandable, TBH. Its a tight schedule, and every minute that you spend wasting time, is an extra minute everyone spends not doing the things they paid to do. If there is something you want to spend extra time doing, ask in advance if it'll be possible to do that. It means everyone can plan around it. Also, if its not possible, don't push and insist. If its not possible, its not possible, and people don't appreciate your insistence that you need to do it.
Basically, consideration for others is key. Do that, and you'll be fine. Well, try to make sure your family do that too, but I've travelled with my sister and I know how hard that can be -.- [Wearing a bikini to a Muslim water park in a Muslim nation. Hahaha oh god the dirty looks she got. I wanted out of there ASAP].
On baggage, smaller is better. I went for three weeks at the start of the year and made do with less than 10Kg of luggage going over, and just under 20Kg coming back [I also went to Japan. Oh god the Studio Ghibli shop... It is dangerous. More dangerous than a Steam Summer sale; Not only can you not resist buying everything, but everything is goddamn expensive too]. I didn't bring a suitcase, as I thought I'd try out a large camping/travel backpack instead.
In some ways, it was good. When only 10Kg of stuff was in it, it was fairly easy to squish into form to fit in most places, it was easily identifiable among the sea of suitcases, and it had so many compartments to sort my stuff into.
The downsides were that, me being short, carrying it really disbalanced me. Especially when it was near 20Kg, and about 40% of my weight. Additionally, it wasn't as hard and protected as other cases, so a lot of space went into 'packaging' to keep souvenirs safe {Mostly that was clothes, but there was also a lot of packing foam and plastic there too}. Its odd shape also made packing some things needlessly difficult.
I think next time I'll try a small suitcase [Midsize technically, but those tiny ones aren't suitcases], and a backpack. Yes, smaller is better. GENERALLY transport options will have space allocated for large luggage, especially if its to and from the airport, however its not guaranteed, and sometimes - like on my local trains - its "Stand in the middle near the doors but far enough away that you don't block people's entrance". Not fun for anyone. The smaller, and easier to move around, it is, the better off you'll be. Lighter is also a lot better if you want to avoid fines, and always save space for more souvenirs than you planned to buy, as you will see some cool things and decide that you have to bring them back. I was only planning on spending maybe $200 on souvenirs for my whole 3 weeks in Europe + Japan. I'm not a big souvenir guy. First day in England I'd spent that $200 [Jewellery for my partner who couldn't come, to be fair], and by the time I hit Japan my allocated souvenir space was gone - and I'd just hit the main stretch for buying souvenirs [Japan was where I'd planned to spend all my souvenir money]. I had to buy an extra, small, carry-on suitcase, and a briefcase [As briefcases didn't count as carry on for the airline I was flying with, so I could bring 3 pieces of baggage if I got it as opposed to two] to get everything home.
Anyway, this has gone on really long, but hopefully its been a little insightful. Travel is fun, and Europe is beautiful. There are some things to be careful of, but largely so long as you just keep them in mind, you'll be fine - no need to constantly fret and worry about it. Hope you guys all have fun, 'cause the world is a great and fun place.