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Clay More

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It really pisses me off when some game use´s the same stereotypes all over again. As Yahtzee said: Why do elve´s always use bow´s and talk to tree´s? And why dwarf´s have hude beard´s and use axe´s most the time? And there´s more! Every guy in suit with briefecase is evil! Every pistol sucks! UZI have large spread and isn´t wery good! BULLS**T! Games should be more themself´s than use same old stuff all over again.

So my question is: What video-game stereotype do you find most stupid/annoying?
 

enzilewulf

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I hate it when people think that just because your a Bungie fan boy that automatically means you hate MW2. I don't hate it. I just don't respect it.
 

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So wait, you would prefer it if elves wore suits, dwarves used rocket-launchers, uzis had sniper-like accuracy, and corporate-types were benevolent, etc.?

All of those ideas break stereotypes I suppose, but when do you draw the line and say "perhaps I'm no longer being true to the source material?"

That said, I suppose it might be refreshing to see fat stupid elves, or a dwarves who are clean-cut, lean, and weild rapiers instead. ;)
 

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Snipers aways wear one of these things: Cameo, shades, a cap or gloves. Now, i know these are all practical for when sniping, but they always look the damn same.

Also, the evil soilders from the "future" always wear black armour and have a helmet with glowing red eyes, for example, Halflife, Killzone, F.E.A.R, Borderlands etc
 

Clay More

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Thunderhorse31 said:
So wait, you would prefer it if elves wore suits, dwarves used rocket-launchers, uzis had sniper-like accuracy, and corporate-types were benevolent, etc.?

All of those ideas break stereotypes I suppose, but when do you draw the line and say "perhaps I'm no longer being true to the source material?"

That said, I suppose it might be refreshing to see fat stupid elves, or a dwarves who are clean-cut, lean, and weild rapiers instead. ;)

No not that radicla changes. I mean why cant elve default mage? In most of RPG you can make him a mage but his main atrubute is archery. And in real life UZI is one of the most accurate SMG weapon. Of course its not as acurate as sniper rifles but still its one of the best compact weapons. But the made it kinda shitty since Miami Vice which is not fair. But its pretty usual in gaming industry to make weapons how people think they are. If the were realistic, one shot from a pistol to the non-armored enemy will be deadly.
 

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I haven't seen many games that do weapons right.

Shotguns that have a lethal range of seven paces

Gatling guns that are inaccurate, have a slow rate of fire(you can even count the bullets as they leave the gun,) and overheat(WTF?)

Short range flamethrowers

Anti material rifles being used exclusively against human targets. I remember America's Army had it used correctly in the training sessions, but after that it was just another sniper rifle in game.

I also hate the Tolkienesque fantasy races.
 

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I think we all like to see elves with bows, dwarfs with axes, and the black guy you recruit to the team with the biggest weapon. Stereotypes give you a sense of realism, I suppose.
 

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Thunderhorse31 said:
So wait, you would prefer it if elves wore suits, dwarves used rocket-launchers, uzis had sniper-like accuracy, and corporate-types were benevolent, etc.?
Almost sounds like Shadowrun.
 

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This has given me an idea. Tolkeinesque fantasy, set IN THE FUTURE so elves commune with the skyscrapers instead of trees or something
 

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Clay More said:
No not that radicla changes. I mean why cant elve default mage? In most of RPG you can make him a mage but his main atrubute is archery. And in real life UZI is one of the most accurate SMG weapon. Of course its not as acurate as sniper rifles but still its one of the best compact weapons. But the made it kinda shitty since Miami Vice which is not fair. But its pretty usual in gaming industry to make weapons how people think they are. If the were realistic, one shot from a pistol to the non-armored enemy will be deadly.
fun fact: on oblivion there is 3 types of elves, and they all have skills in various magics, dark elves have destruction, high elves have pretty much any magic, and wood elves have alteration / alcamy..

the stereotypes in games are usually to create balance, an Uzi is a sub machine gun which is for quick movement and if it was as accurate as a single fire or burst fire assault rifle then the ordinary assualt rifles would be made obsolete, Snipers have camo because generally snipers stay at the back, in a concealed location and camo would be a massive help to make sre they dont get seen.
 

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If an elf doesn't have pointy ears, wield bows and talk to trees, it isn't an elf, it's something else. If a dwarf isn't stocky with a big beard, it isn't a dwarf, it's something else. It's also funny that Talislanta claims to have no elves when in fact they have 5 different kinds.
 

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enzilewulf said:
I hate it when people think that just because your a Bungie fan boy that automatically means you hate MW2. I don't hate it. I just don't respect it.
Also, if you hate any FPS game other than MW2, you are automatically a MW2 fanboy.

EDIT: I may have typed it wrong.

If I or someone else said that M.A.G or Battlefield Bad Comapany 2 is crap or not all that, then me or the person that said it is branded a MW2 fanboy.

(For the record, I hate MW2)
 

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Reg5879 said:
enzilewulf said:
I hate it when people think that just because your a Bungie fan boy that automatically means you hate MW2. I don't hate it. I just don't respect it.
Also, if you hate any FPS game other than MW2, you are automatically a MW2 fanboy.
Of course you are. You refuse to like anything but modern warfare 2, how more fanboy can you get?
 

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migo said:
If an elf doesn't have pointy ears, wield bows and talk to trees, it isn't an elf, it's something else. If a dwarf isn't stocky with a big beard, it isn't a dwarf, it's something else.
No. Just.....no.
Wikipedia said:
A dwarf is a creature from Germanic mythologies. Dwarves feature in fairy tales, fantasy fiction, and role-playing games. They usually have magical talents, often involving metallurgy.

The original concept of dwarves is very difficult to determine. Sources have gradually given dwarves more comical and superstitious roles.[1] Dwarves were certainly humanoid, but sources differ over their lifestyles, and their similarity to Elves. They may have had strong associations with death:[2][3] paled skin; dark hair; connections with the earth; their role in mythology. They followed animistic traditions, showing similarities to such concepts of the dead. They were similar to others from the 'Vættir' family, such as Elves.[2]

The remnants of the mythological dwarves formed later fairy tales and folklore (see Scandinavian folklore, German folklore, English folklore and Dutch folklore) as well as elements of fantasy literature.

The term 'dwarf' can now describe very short humans, regardless of its mythical origins. The universal modern description of a dwarf is something short, usually associated with magic, fantasy, and fairy tales.
Wikipedia said:
An elf is a being of Germanic mythology. The elves were originally thought of as a race of divine or semi-divine beings (wights, vættir) endowed with magical powers, which they use both for the benefit and the injury of mankind. In pre-Christian mythology, they appear to have been divided into light elves and dark elves, difficult to delineate from the Æsir (gods) on one hand and the dvergar (dwarves) on the other.

In early modern and modern folklore, they become associated with the fairies of the 19-century Romantic portrayal of English folklore and assume a diminutive size, often living underground in hills or rocks, or in wells and springs. 19th-century Romanticism attempted to restore them to full stature, often depicting them as very young, probably adolescent (lack of facial hair on male elves), men and women of great beauty. From their depiction in Romanticism, elves entered the 20th-century high fantasy genre in the wake of the publications of J. R. R. Tolkien, especially the posthumous publication of his Silmarillion where Tolkien's treatment of the relation of light elves, dark elves, black elves and dwarves in Norse mythology is made explicit. The elf is now-and has been for years-associated with Christmas acting as "Santa's little helpers."
Dwarves and Elves can be a lot of things. They don't have to be the same regurgitated bow-and-arrow axe-wielding generic Tolkien-esque carbon copies they are today. They can help out Santa. They can make delicious cookies. They can do general housework as unpaid laborers for witches and wizards. They can be plain old midgets.

Don't impose your own lack of imagination on others.
 

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Clay More said:
Why do elves always use bows and talk to trees? And why dwarfs have hude beards and use axes most the time?
Right now I'm glad those are staying the same, I don't want those things to end up like what twilight did to vampires...never again can we let that happen...never...again.
 

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I've always been tired of the macho main character.

Marcus Fenix is the clearest example of this for me. A character who is so monumentally ripped and muscular and so emotionally blank that their only response to any situation is to shoot the hell out of whatever looks at them funny. If shooting doesn't solve their problem, they try a grenade, followed by more shooting.

I'm so sick of seeing it. I want a character to develop through the course of the game, not just be the same one-dimensional trope. The game itself might be really good and I might enjoy it, but there's no emotional attachment to the characters, which is something I like to have in my gaming.


And water temples. Don't get me started on the fuckin' water temples...
 

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TiefBlau said:
migo said:
If an elf doesn't have pointy ears, wield bows and talk to trees, it isn't an elf, it's something else. If a dwarf isn't stocky with a big beard, it isn't a dwarf, it's something else.
No. Just.....no.
Wikipedia said:
A dwarf is a creature from Germanic mythologies. Dwarves feature in fairy tales, fantasy fiction, and role-playing games. They usually have magical talents, often involving metallurgy.

The original concept of dwarves is very difficult to determine. Sources have gradually given dwarves more comical and superstitious roles.[1] Dwarves were certainly humanoid, but sources differ over their lifestyles, and their similarity to Elves. They may have had strong associations with death:[2][3] paled skin; dark hair; connections with the earth; their role in mythology. They followed animistic traditions, showing similarities to such concepts of the dead. They were similar to others from the 'Vættir' family, such as Elves.[2]

The remnants of the mythological dwarves formed later fairy tales and folklore (see Scandinavian folklore, German folklore, English folklore and Dutch folklore) as well as elements of fantasy literature.

The term 'dwarf' can now describe very short humans, regardless of its mythical origins. The universal modern description of a dwarf is something short, usually associated with magic, fantasy, and fairy tales.
Wikipedia said:
An elf is a being of Germanic mythology. The elves were originally thought of as a race of divine or semi-divine beings (wights, vættir) endowed with magical powers, which they use both for the benefit and the injury of mankind. In pre-Christian mythology, they appear to have been divided into light elves and dark elves, difficult to delineate from the Æsir (gods) on one hand and the dvergar (dwarves) on the other.

In early modern and modern folklore, they become associated with the fairies of the 19-century Romantic portrayal of English folklore and assume a diminutive size, often living underground in hills or rocks, or in wells and springs. 19th-century Romanticism attempted to restore them to full stature, often depicting them as very young, probably adolescent (lack of facial hair on male elves), men and women of great beauty. From their depiction in Romanticism, elves entered the 20th-century high fantasy genre in the wake of the publications of J. R. R. Tolkien, especially the posthumous publication of his Silmarillion where Tolkien's treatment of the relation of light elves, dark elves, black elves and dwarves in Norse mythology is made explicit. The elf is now-and has been for years-associated with Christmas acting as "Santa's little helpers."
Dwarves and Elves can be a lot of things. They don't have to be the same regurgitated bow-and-arrow axe-wielding generic Tolkien-esque carbon copies they are today. They can help out Santa. They can make delicious cookies. They can do general housework as unpaid laborers for witches and wizards. They can be plain old midgets.

Don't impose your own lack of imagination on others.
That's because elf, dwarf and troll are pretty interchangeable in mythology. Elves and dwarves have standardised, you can still use gnome, brownie and faerie or half a dozen other terms for the rest of them.