Villains you would join if given the choice between them and the "good guys".

[Zontar]

It's simple, if you had to chose between joining the good guys or bad guys, who would it be? Note I'm talking about the good and bad as provided by the framework of the story.

For me I can think of a few. For Star Wars there's the CIS in the Clone Wars and the Galactic Empire in the originals. The reason is simple: for he clone wars the CIS was a state which seceded because of the fact that the Republic was just to corrupt and ineffective, and instead of listening to their grievances they simple ignored them. And then what happened? They got invaded. As for he Empire, well, come on. Apart from the blowing up of a planet, they didn't do anything wrong, and even then it was justified since it was a bastion for an armed royalist rebellion that was threatening the peace.

 

[Elfgore]

Purely based off the movies, NOT the comic books, I would join Magneto and his band of mutant renegades. In the first two movies I was sympathetic to his cause, but I didn't care for his methods, kidnapping, extortion, etc, at all. But in the third movie when they made a "cure", I was pushed towards his side. To provide a cure for mutants would mean that it was a disease to begin with, which it is not.

And yes, I know the entire third X-Men movie was a not so subtle gay rights thing and what not. But the idea still stands.

 

[dyre]

I do feel bad for the CIS, though an alliance with the dark side is not a good long term strategy. The Empire straight-up sucks though.

As for my own ideas, hmmm...would it be a cop-out if I said I'd side with the marines in Spec-Ops The Line? Also, I'd side against Napoleon in Napoleon: Total War

 

[Zykon TheLich_v1legacy]

The Nazis!

The Empire from Star Wars. All their gear looks so much cooler. I can't really think of anything else with...oh yeah, I'd totally be a Dalek or a cyberman. Or the orks from 40K, they seem like they have so much more fun than everyone else. Paint myself green and glug down a few protein shakes and it'll all be good.

 

[The Wykydtron]

"Apart from the blowing up of a planet didn't do anything wrong"

Yeah if you excuse this mass genocide on a ridiculously huge level where billions of people died they were pretty cool dudes.

I don't think you read and/or think through your own sentences OP...

OT: Maybe Hazama from BlazBlue. Though he doesn't have a side exactly, he's just the villain. He doesn't really need a side backing him up. I dislike Ragna as the main character and prefer Mu-12 over Noel so yeah. Hazama is the most fun character ever, I could watch him forever.

"Oh man, this goes straight past TRAGEDY and goes right into COMEDY!"

"Damn vampire..."

 

[twistedmic]

While I didn't read the fourth book, I would join Galbatorix from the Inheritance Cycle (Eragon books), mostly because Eragon came across as a straight-up sociopath prick and the elves were stuck-up, smug, self-righteous jackasses.

 

[Zontar]

"Apart from the blowing up of a planet didn't do anything wrong"

Yeah if you excuse this mass genocide on a ridiculously huge level where billions of people died they were pretty cool dudes.

I don't think you read and/or think through your own sentences OP...

You have a point, but what do we really know about Alderaan? Apart from the fact they have a royal family and are the main hub for support for the rebellion, nothing. It could be a heavily populated world, or a barely populated one. And in either event one must weigh the numbers. That world plus Yaven 4 where two locations that, if destroyed with one fowl swoop, would end the rebellion. Given the scale of the rebellion it could potentially have cost fewer lives to end it there then to have the conflict become drawn out (which is exactly what happened because of the survival of their main base of operations). In pure numbers, the action is justifiable, especially when in the end it was shown to be the right one in hindsight. So a few million or billion civilians where lost, if the Empire had stood Coruscant alone would have lost fewer people then that during the galaxy-wide invasion.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

Probably the Brotherhood of Mutants, seeing as how the Marvel universe is full of dicks. And the X-men may have good intentions, but c'mon, the non-mutants are just asking for it..

 

[Zhukov]

In my ongoing attempts to see if anime has anything to offer me, I've been watching Code Geass.

Yeah... the Britannian's are all evil and foppish and stuff, buuuuut I doubt I'd have to put much thought into a choice between Team Cornelia and Team Smug-Overdressed-Overpowered-Little-Shit-Who-Is-Totally-A-Genius-No-Really-We-Said-So.

 

[The Wykydtron]

"Apart from the blowing up of a planet didn't do anything wrong"

Yeah if you excuse this mass genocide on a ridiculously huge level where billions of people died they were pretty cool dudes.

I don't think you read and/or think through your own sentences OP...

You have a point, but what do we really know about Alderaan? Apart from the fact they have a royal family and are the main hub for support for the rebellion, nothing. It could be a heavily populated world, or a barely populated one. And in either event one must weigh the numbers. That world plus Yaven 4 where two locations that, if destroyed with one fowl swoop, would end the rebellion. Given the scale of the rebellion it could potentially have cost fewer lives to end it there then to have the conflict become drawn out (which is exactly what happened because of the survival of their main base of operations). In pure numbers, the action is justifiable, especially when in the end it was shown to be the right one in hindsight. So a few million or billion civilians where lost, if the Empire had stood Coruscant alone would have lost fewer people then that during the galaxy-wide invasion.

I know what you mean and it does make sense but i've never been a fan of the whole "end justifies the means" thing. If an Empire considers blowing up a planet to be a reasonable means of warfare that's pretty fucked up. Honestly, I wonder if some of the more morally conscious parts of the Empire split off to join the Rebellion when they got word of them blowing up a planet.

Something like they were down for the whole stable peace dictatorship thing until they started blowing up planets.



It's been ages since I watched any Star Wars but I assume since Alderaan is the main hub of the Rebellion, their princess is a human and they even have a royal family in the first place (sparcely populated worlds probably have little need or place for a proper presdigious royal family) and I think I remember Alderaan from space looking like Earth in climate (maybe not but I think so) it's safe to assume it was heavily populated

 

[The Wykydtron]

While I didn't read the fourth book, I would join Galbatorix from the Inheritance Cycle (Eragon books), mostly because Eragon came across as a straight-up sociopath prick and the elves were stuck-up, smug, self-righteous jackasses.

Y'know when I finally get back into the Eragon books again, i'll have to think about Eragon's character in that mindset. Sounds like fun. What about Eragon's brother though? Ro...Something. He went total OP mode because I LOVE MAI WIIIIIIFE!
1VFUCKING50 COME AT ME BROOOOOOOS!

So stupid.

Never finished the last book, how's G-Man in the bits where he actually shows up? I think he doesn't have a single line of dialogue in the first two books because he's just this threat on the horizon "watch the fuck out, he'll destroy us all if he wanted to" guy.

In my ongoing attempts to see if anime has anything to offer me, I've been watching Code Geass.

Yeah... the Britannian's are all evil and foppish and stuff, buuuuut I doubt I'd have to put much thought into a choice between Team Cornelia and Team Smug-Overdressed-Overpowered-Little-Shit-Who-Is-Totally-A-Genius-No-Really-We-Said-So.

Don't tell me you're one of those people who can't appreciate ridiculously melodramatic lines, clothing, actions, plot progression and everything inbetween? Stop right now cuz it only gets more ridiculous further in. Yes, Code Geass is still my favourite anime of all time how did you guess? The English dub has JYB voicing Lelouch and I love JYB when he plays an anti-hero.

The anime begins to be a contest to see how badly they can stomp suddenly not OP (or maybe more OP because he thinks a way out of it later?) Lulu into the ground every other episode roundabout the halfway point of Season 1. Especially in Season 2.

 

[Zhukov]

In my ongoing attempts to see if anime has anything to offer me, I've been watching Code Geass.

Yeah... the Britannian's are all evil and foppish and stuff, buuuuut I doubt I'd have to put much thought into a choice between Team Cornelia and Team Smug-Overdressed-Overpowered-Little-Shit-Who-Is-Totally-A-Genius-No-Really-We-Said-So.

Don't tell me you're one of those people who can't appreciate ridiculously melodramatic lines, clothing, actions, plot progression and everything inbetween? Stop right now cuz it only gets more ridiculous further in. Yes, Code Geass is still my favourite anime of all time how did you guess? The English dub has JYB voicing Lelouch and I love JYB when he plays an anti-hero.

The anime begins to be a contest to see how badly they can stomp suddenly not OP (or maybe more OP because he thinks a way out of it later?) Lulu into the ground every other episode roundabout the halfway point of Season 1. Especially in Season 2.

Yes, I probably am one of those people. I generally prefer my entertainment to be relatively grounded in tone.

So, why am I several episodes into the second season of a show where I hate the main character and snigger every time someone says his name out loud, hate most of the cast, hate the cheap animation, hate the costume design, hate the way almost everyone is drawn with the proportions of a starvation victim, hate the way they use insufficient foreshadowing as way to depict "genius", hate the way that they keep pulling progressively more OP roller-skating robots out of their arses, hate how the robots look like oversized toys rather than military hardware and hate at least a dozen other things that I can't think of right this minute?

Dunno. Probably because I'm also one of those people who hates to leave books/movies/shows uncompleted.

On the plus side, it does come across as a wee bit more, for lack of a better term, "grown up" than most anime I've encountered. It's relatively complex, shit tends to have consequences and some of the characters manage to be more than one-note.

Oh hey, since you're a fan of the show, I have a few questions:

Spoiler

- Do they ever explain what CC's deal is, and if so, does the explanation make a lick of sense?
- Is Cornelia dead? I think she was the only character I liked.
- Why was Karen so upset when she found out that Zero was L'loosh? Was it just because he's Britannian?
- Is it just the two seasons?

 

[The Wykydtron]

In my ongoing attempts to see if anime has anything to offer me, I've been watching Code Geass.

Yeah... the Britannian's are all evil and foppish and stuff, buuuuut I doubt I'd have to put much thought into a choice between Team Cornelia and Team Smug-Overdressed-Overpowered-Little-Shit-Who-Is-Totally-A-Genius-No-Really-We-Said-So.

Don't tell me you're one of those people who can't appreciate ridiculously melodramatic lines, clothing, actions, plot progression and everything inbetween? Stop right now cuz it only gets more ridiculous further in. Yes, Code Geass is still my favourite anime of all time how did you guess? The English dub has JYB voicing Lelouch and I love JYB when he plays an anti-hero.

The anime begins to be a contest to see how badly they can stomp suddenly not OP (or maybe more OP because he thinks a way out of it later?) Lulu into the ground every other episode roundabout the halfway point of Season 1. Especially in Season 2.

Yes, I probably am one of those people. I generally prefer my entertainment to be relatively grounded in tone.

So, why am I several episodes into the second season of a show where I hate the main character and snigger every time someone says his name out loud, hate most of the cast, hate the cheap animation, hate the costume design, hate the way almost everyone is drawn with the proportions of a starvation victim, hate the way they use insufficient foreshadowing as way to depict "genius", hate the way that they keep pulling progressively more OP roller-skating robots out of their arses, hate how the robots look like oversized toys rather than military hardware and hate at least a dozen other things that I can't think of right this minute?

Dunno. Probably because I'm also one of those people who hates to leave books/movies/shows uncompleted.

On the plus side, it does come across as a wee bit more, for lack of a better term, "grown up" than most anime I've encountered. It's relatively complex, shit tends to have consequences and some of the characters manage to be more than one-note.

Oh hey, since you're a fan of the show, I have a few questions:

Spoiler

- Do they ever explain what CC's deal is, and if so, does the explanation make a lick of sense?
- Is Cornelia dead? I think she was the only character I liked.
- Why was Karen so upset when she found out that Zero was L'loosh? Was it just because he's Britannian?
- Is it just the two seasons?

Spoiler

I remember people talking about the final quarter of R2 being a trainwreck you can't look away from. It's awesome in it's absurdity but then the ending manages to be actually coherent and wraps things up well. Somehow. Like the train gets back on the rails at the last second and sails into Good Ending Station.

Once you hit the halfway point of R2, shit just happens. It's one of those "rollercoaster that only goes up" type things.

CC, CC, CC... Hmm, I believe they did explain her whole thing, just before the story hits its final act. I don't fully remember but it wasn't that bad considering how much hype CC's backstory was gathering. It could have been way worse let's say that.

Pretty sure Cornelia doesn't die and Karen and Lulu had some animosity between each other earlier. Well, Lulu is alright with her but she doesn't like him. So suddenly Lulu being this hype as fuck Zero saviour of the people rebel leader kind of fucks her up. She was Zero Fangirl #1 up until the last minute of the first season, I get what you mean. Karen what the fuck?

Oh or were you speaking about the 2nd time? Memory loss means they can pull the clever unmasking scene twice. Genius.

She does take it much better the second time though.

Or did she remember who Zero was from the first time? I'm going to need a refresher on that, bloody hate memory loss plot devices. Gives me an excuse to watch the first episode of R2 again though. Purple flames bitches.

There are only the two seasons but I think there's some alternate universe spin off things out there. I never bothered to look into them.

 

[Asita]

For me I can think of a few. For Star Wars there's the CIS in the Clone Wars and the Galactic Empire in the originals. The reason is simple: for he clone wars the CIS was a state which seceded because of the fact that the Republic was just to corrupt and ineffective, and instead of listening to their grievances they simple ignored them. And then what happened? They got invaded. As for he Empire, well, come on. Apart from the blowing up of a planet, they didn't do anything wrong, and even then it was justified since it was a bastion for an armed royalist rebellion that was threatening the peace.

Surely you jest. Your first introduction to politics in A New Hope includes the announcement that the Senate had been dissolved on the grounds that the Empire planned to use what was effectively a nuclear deterrent against its own people to control them ("Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battlestation"). And then of course there's the whole bit about its leader essentially leading both sides of the war to orchestrate his power grab...

You have a point, but what do we really know about Alderaan? Apart from the fact they have a royal family and are the main hub for support for the rebellion, nothing. It could be a heavily populated world, or a barely populated one. And in either event one must weigh the numbers. That world plus Yaven 4 where two locations that, if destroyed with one fowl swoop, would end the rebellion. Given the scale of the rebellion it could potentially have cost fewer lives to end it there then to have the conflict become drawn out (which is exactly what happened because of the survival of their main base of operations). In pure numbers, the action is justifiable, especially when in the end it was shown to be the right one in hindsight. So a few million or billion civilians where lost, if the Empire had stood Coruscant alone would have lost fewer people then that during the galaxy-wide invasion.

...Well let's see here. You know that Alderaan is an apparently pacifistic world ("Alderaan is peaceful, we have no weapons!"), you know that it's being explicitly used for the sake of invoking fear in Imperial controlled worlds, and from the dialogue you can infer that it's a heavily trafficked and likely well populated world ("Dantooine is far too remote to make an effective demonstration - but don't worry, we'll deal with your rebel friends soon enough")...Do I really have to go further than that? It was a genocidal act done for what can literally be described as terroristic purposes that were targeted at the terrorist's own people. That should probably be ringing a few alarm bells...

 

[Ulquiorra4sama]

Hm... i'm not sure what i'd be able to bring to the table, but Makishima Shogo from Psycho-Pass is a character i really wouldn't mind being on the good side of. I love and admire his brilliant/psychotic ways of fighting the orwellian regime established in that story.

 

[Drummodino]

Hmm well a couple of months ago I would have said Satsuki and the Elite Four from Kill la Kill, but if you've seen recent episodes you know that really isn't a good answer anymore.

So instead I'll say The Equalists from The Legend of Korra. Their cause was legitimately good and noble at heart, all they wanted was for non-benders to be treated as equals to benders. Although I wouldn't agree with the removal of Bender's abilities, that's crossing a line.

 

[CommanderL]

It's simple, if you had to chose between joining the good guys or bad guys, who would it be? Note I'm talking about the good and bad as provided by the framework of the story.

For me I can think of a few. For Star Wars there's the CIS in the Clone Wars and the Galactic Empire in the originals. The reason is simple: for he clone wars the CIS was a state which seceded because of the fact that the Republic was just to corrupt and ineffective, and instead of listening to their grievances they simple ignored them. And then what happened? They got invaded.

its a pitty they where building up an army and the guy in charge of them was a sith lord and they tried to excute a republic sentor and 2 jedi without trial so yeah they got invaded they basically declared war on the republic


As for he Empire, well, come on. Apart from the blowing up of a planet, they didn't do anything wrong, and even then it was justified since it was a bastion for an armed royalist rebellion that was threatening the peace.

Alderaan was a core world and had a population of 2 billion just to send a message. Alderaan had no weapons of any kind justified my ass also they enslaved and commited countless geniocides and legalized slavery
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Destruction_of_Caamas
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Decree_A-SL-4557.607.232


also the fact the empire was inspired by nazi's

 

[bowandsword]

I would join skitter mostly because she is actively trying to do good, much more so then most heros in worm. Is also a massive bad ass who doesn't love a hero being a villain.
but then i would have to worry every lunch time waiting for shit to go down so that a con.

 

[MorganL4]

You know, I always had a soft spot for Shylock from Merchant of Venice.... The guy gets put in this no win situation because he made a perfectly clear, perfectly legitimate (though rather morbid) deal with someone who knew the consequences going in, its just that the guy who failed to hold up his end of the bargain was REALLY well connected.

 

[Rose and Thorn]

While I didn't read the fourth book, I would join Galbatorix from the Inheritance Cycle (Eragon books), mostly because Eragon came across as a straight-up sociopath prick and the elves were stuck-up, smug, self-righteous jackasses.

I would have joined Roran's group. Their struggle was the part of the story I think I liked the best. I'm glad he became such an important character, any reason you didn't finish the series?

Well going by the Game of Thrones TV show (Haven't read the books yet), I would be a Lannister. Some of my family watches it too and they all love the Starks and consider the Lannisters evil, so I guess that counts right?