Wait, Too Human sucks? What?

[Mr. Moose]

I rented Too Human, and I have to say, I'm enjoying it.
I'm looking at Yahtzee's review, and the negative reviews of it.
I have to ask.
What games are they playing?
I haven't even experienced any of the problems that Yahtzee pointed out in his review.

The camera can be fixed if you don't have it as far out as possible, and the combat isn't sticky.
It's quite fast, and realistic.
Baldur is holding a heavy weapon, so he's not gonna be like super fast.

So, seriously.
Why all the bad reviews?

 

[Graustein]

I'm looking at Yahtzee's review, and the negative reviews of it.

That's why.
Every game has bad reviews, if you look at the decidedly negative reviews, you're going to get decidedly negative opinions.

 

[meatloaf231]

It's a reviewer's job to take any aspect of a game that's not perfect, make a big deal about it, and decry the rest of the game for it's failings.

But I'd rather have them do that than review everything really well and downplay any flaws. At least you know what's wrong with the game.

 

[Copter400]

They think differently to you. It's weird, I know, but it's true.

Too Human doesn't seem like a game I'd like. Realism doesn't count for much in my eyes when it means the weapon goes "SWING, *onemississipi* SWING". Also, I've seen the gun gameplay, which looks god awful.

 

[Graustein]

It's a reviewer's job to take any aspect of a game that's not perfect, make a big deal about it, and decry the rest of the game for it's failings.

But I'd rather have them do that than review everything really well and downplay any flaws. At least you know what's wrong with the game.

Isn't that what critics do? I thought reviewers were meant to focus on both the good and the bad and then give an overall opinion

 

[Mr. Moose]

I'm looking at Yahtzee's review, and the negative reviews of it.

That's why.
Every game has bad reviews, if you look at the decidedly negative reviews, you're going to get decidedly negative opinions.

Well of course I've read the good ones.
I'm just focusing on the negative ones.

I personally don't see any major flaws in the game.

 

[Knight Templar]

Because its a bad game?

My favourite game is Dues Ex Invisible War, now there is a game that sucks. Bad reviews, bad-ish sales, the lot.

I don't care because I like the game. If you like Too Human there is nothing wrong with that, it's just most people wont like it.


If you really do like it, it shouldn't matter what is said about it.

They think differently to you. It's weird, I know, but it's true.

Baldur's Gate doesn't seem like a game I'd like. .

Umm typo?

 

[Graustein]

Well of course I've read the good ones.
I'm just focusing on the negative ones.

I personally don't see any major flaws in the game.

That's because you love the game, the good aspects of the game really appeal to you, and the bad aspects don't jar you so much.
In other words, you, like everyone else, are biased.
Example: Majora's Mask gets a lot of flak for the time limit. I personally don't mind the time limit, which takes one negative off my list of the game's good/bad, skewing my overall opinion in favour of the good. The things that the negative reviewers point out don't matter as much/at all to you, so you don't acknowledge them as negatives.

 

[Sirisaxman]

Too Human is one of those games that people either seem to love or hate. For me it's just a matter of whether or not the negatives in a game interfere with my enjoyment. If not, then I'll like the game, regardless of what other people think. I've noticed similar trends with other games I like, i.e. Mass Effect, Star Wars: TFU, Oblivion, etc. Sure these games are flawed, and in some cases annoyingly so, but overall I had fun, so to me, they're good games.

 

[GCM]

What about Baldurs gait?

Me personally finds Master Chief moving too slow for my standards (at least in Halo 1). Maybe it's just me, but honestly! He moves just about as fast as the Heavy. And this is particularly frustrating when you're trying to dodge, rush, or when you come across that huge expanse with nary a vehicle (which are better, but still kind of slow, and particularly clunky) in sight.

X-Play gave it a 4 out of 5, so not everyone thinks its that horrible. Maybe some of us just have different standards or expectations, since they also gave all Haloes 5 out of 5s. I certainly don't think Combat Evolved is worth that. 3 or 4 maybe. Apparently, they either do think it's that good or maybe there are certain conditions that cause them to believe it is, that Yahtzee isn't affected by. And not necessarily needles full of dopamine.

 

[xitel]

First off, there are very few games that Yahtzee doesn't pan. If a critic decides to not point out a flaw in the game and the players do, the critic will get hate mail in every concievable orifice. Plus, every person has different likes and dislikes, so you have to take that into account. Think about it this way: if a reviewer listed everything GOOD about a game, the article would be huge. Instead, they list the highest and lowest points, and let the reader decide how to interpret that.

 

[54r93]

its just an opinion, we all have them...don't act surprised because that yours is different from someone else's. it's actually a good thing for different people to have different opinions...

 

[Copter400]

Because its a bad game?

My favourite game is Dues Ex Invisible War, now there is a game that sucks. Bad reviews, bad-ish sales, the lot.

I don't care because I like the game. If you like Too Human there is nothing wrong with that, it's just most people wont like it.


If you really do like it, it shouldn't matter what is said about it.

They think differently to you. It's weird, I know, but it's true.

Baldur's Gate doesn't seem like a game I'd like. .

Umm typo?

Oh, shite! I'll fix that up.

 

[Mr. Moose]

Why exactly does this bother you so much?

If you like it, then...play it.
Don't complain about your ego getting crushed on gaming forums. We don't care.

I know..
I'm just curious as to why people think it sucks so hard.

 

[The Iron Ninja]

What about Baldurs gait?

Someone kick him, someone kick him now!

I honestly haven't given Too Human a second thought, I first heard of it from my brother, he came running up and said "(Iron Ninja's real name), there's this game coming out called Too Human, it's going to be Norse mythology set in the future!"
I sat down, leant back in my chair a bit (maybe scratched my chin thoughtfully) and said "That's a really dumb combination, and they'll probably screw it up."
I was right apparently.
I love Norse mythology, so if a game claims to be based around it, I'm going to be pretty damn disapointed if they get it wrong.
Viking: Battle for Asgard is another similar failure. They made Hel, the godess of the underworld an ugly (like Really ugly) emo chick and completely missed out on every single one of the other Norse gods so they could focus on ones with boobs. Stupid SEGA...

 

[Altorin]

I hated it.

I tried really hard to like it.

But I hated it.

I ran into all of the problems Yahtzee did.

Especially aggravating was the ranged targeting system and the death sequence, and the lack of any real penalties for dying.

Plus, the game just seemed really ugly for me, and the objectives between missions weren't really all that clear

You're allowed to like it though. Some people like electrocuting their genitals. I really don't care for it, but that's not my business.

 

[wilsonscrazybed]

True reviews are supposed to be fair and balanced. With the proliferation of amateur game reviews and payola for major review sites we see a lot of extremes. Most games do, at the very least, have a few redeeming qualities that will appeal to some players. I love Mercenaries 2, but it received a pretty average mark from most major sites. That's why I always play a demo before I spend 60 bucks on a game, I don't trust anyone to tell me what I think will be fun. There are just too many ways to play the game before you buy it, rent, demo, go to your friend's house...

I think the real issue here is that much like the rest of the internet loud angry people get heard, and you have to seek out the quiet thinkers. We all know that sensationalism gets your website traffic. Proclaiming loudly that X game loved by millions 'sucks' will get you a lot of attention if you have a platform. Just go read over the comments section in Yahtzee's video review of Smash Brothers. I always shudder when I see someone trying to emulate the style who doesn't quite get the subtle self-deprecating irony of Zero Punctuation. ZP will always be entertainment to me, and rarely a source of good information about what I should play.

 

[WhiteTigerShiro]

The problem with Too Human is that it has a couple of glaring flaws that make reviewers start to pick-out all the more subtle things. A really good game can get away with a mistake here and there, but when you're annoyed with a game because of a really slow death scene, lack of recovery items, and a clumsy battle system... it causes them to also gripe about the minor nit-picks because it makes them wonder if there's ANYTHING not broken about the game.

With a good game those minor issues are easier to ignore because you have plenty of examples of how the developers actually spent some time with the game. With Too Human though, I tend to agree with Yahtzee in wondering if they had anyone play-test the game. I find it hard to believe that no one would write down that the death scene needs to be skipable.

 

[The Iron Ninja]

ZP will always be entertainment to me, and rarely a source of good information about what I should play.

Everyone would do well to pay attention to this man, as he has summed up Zero Punctuation perfectly. Watch the review, have a laugh if you're so inclined, and then go and find a review not built for the purpose of entertaining you.
Lets take for example his most recent game he reviewed (note: The game,not the review itself), I bought Mercenaries 2 when it came out, I was rather disapointed with it, alot of things I was expecting to see (local co-op, decent AI, more Russians) didn't make it. As I said I was faily disapointed (If my 360 hadn't managed to scratch the disk on day one I would have returned it) but Mercenaries 2 is still a game that I will play, and often have fun with. I'll complain about it here alot, but a game is a game, it may not be perfect, but it serves it's purpose, entertainment.