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Any thoughts on what's going on with that company right now? Pay-to-win accusations and threatening YT channels with spurious copyright takedown claims. Jim Sterling covered it and the 'controversy' is supposedly over but does anyone think they've actually learned from this?

*shrug*
 

WindKnight

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About the only thing I really see fit to comment on is the whole idea of premium ammo... that's just... no. BIG no for me. I don't think I'd want to play a game with that kind of thing hanging over me.
 

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Redlin5 said:
Windknight said:
I believe THIS is what @Redlin5 is referring to.

Utterly despicable, but I guess I can't be surprised. They were never a good company anyway, hopefully their player count takes a nice hit after this. Probably won't though, what with most of their games' popularity being in Russia.
 

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They fucked up big. They also apologized with some big names on the letter, but who knows if it'll stick.

As an aside about the premium ammo: back in the day, it could only be bought with real money. This led to it almost never being used unless your clan had the minor gold income that they got from the "clan wars" side game or unless a person was stupid rich. Hence, tanks and guns were balanced around, basically, premium ammo not existed.

Then, a few years ago, they made it so that premium ammo and consumables could be purchased with ingame currency at an 800% mark up, aka, if a premium shell cost 50 gold, the ingame currency cost would be 40000 silver. At the time all that did was to remove a pay-to-win element of the game.

Unfortunately, through a combination of greed and power creep, the design and balancing processess of WoT shifted. Frontal weak spots started getting removed, guns started getting more lackluster, maps started funneling people into more frontal engagements, etc. So regular players started having to budget expensive premium ammo into regular gameplay. Which means one of three things: they buy a premium account to up the amount of credits they make per match substantially, they buy a premium tank which costs less to repair and makes more credits a match, or they do a shit ton of lower tier grinding.

This came to a head with one of their newer tier 8 premium tanks. It's some experimental US thing that might've existed only in blueprints, but they're running out of actual tanks to put in the game. WoT comes with ten tiers of tank, with each match being composed of a maximum of three tiers of tank. Tier 3-5, 7-9, etc. The new premium tank was at tier 8. It had no frontal weak spots. In fact, it had heavy enough frontal armor that, when angled, their 10 tanks would have a problem causing damage to it without using premium ammunition. And tier 10 tanks almost never make a profit during a match anyway. And this tank could also appear in matches with tier 6 tanks, who'd have a very good chance of not being able to put damage on it frontally even with premium ammo. So that's a problem.

On top of that. The tank maneuvers pretty well, not slow like most other heavy tanks. But despite the gun having good characteristics in it's soft stats, there's one problem: even with premium ammo, it couldn't hurt another of its kind at any point by shooting it in the front unless the other tank was cresting a hill and you could shoot it in the belly. So unless this tank got exceedingly good position, it couldn't kill itself. So that's broken.

And here's the shit cherry on top: guess how much a tier 8 premium tank costs? $50+ American dollars.

Side note to the side note, I don't have a problem with this pricing in general. I wouldn't pay it myself, but these tanks theoretically cut down on a lot of grind. The problem is that, untill recently, premium tanks weren't designed to be best in class. E.g. a tier 8 premium tank is supposed to be worse in general to a fully upgraded normal tier 8 tank of the same class. And if said premium tank is better than it's peers in one aspect (the T28's massively damaging gun) , it sure as hell has major weaknesses in other areas to compensate (the T28's sluggish reload, relative inaccuracy, slow movement speed, and woefully inadequate hull armor.)
 

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If they start making their contributors to sign terms of service where they forbid them on insulting Wargaming and describe what they consider an insult; then I would say: yes
 

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Wargaming in World of Tanks has a terrible problem with their end game economy. There is basically a triple barreled shotgun pointed at their players with how they have set things up.

Premium ammo, is available for in-game currency but at a cost that is punitive in high tier play. This premium ammo also invalidates armour if it is being used exclusively which it generally is. You can get away with that if you are running premium account as you can mostly at least break even on most tanks if you are efficient enough. But standard account, forget about it. You'll lose between 20 and 50 k silver per match even if you were top player. this discourages top-tier play from anyone not always on a premium account.

then you get these broken ass tanks that need real money to buy. The one that was at the heart of this horseshit was not even trying to be realistic. Sir Foch was completely justified in accusing Wargaming of running a scam when a tank has zero weak points in the front, even where you have view slits and machine gun ports. it was clearly modelled to force gold ammo use. Pairing that with a terrible ass gun that needed gold ammo to be effective and you have a vehicle that combines everything I hated about games in tiers higher than 7 in one vehicle. Sir Foch's attitude was filled to the brim with bile, but it was thoroughly justified.

At least one other EU community contributor has dropped out over this. This was because even though Wargaming has apologised at the highest level over the use of a threat of copyright strike that was not enough to make him feel secure that they will not change their mind again.

I've chipped them a bit of money to support a game that I have put a lot of hours into but I will need to see a lot of good will before I accept that they will never again use these kinds of strongarm tactics again.


In the meantime, World of Warships uses none of these terribad shitty pay to win elements and I am enjoying the hell out of that game. So until I see them take teh same road on WoW, I will continue to play it. WoT can just fuck right off now.