Warhammer 40,000 vs Star Wars vs Real-world vs Anything else

[Rolling Thunder]

Now, we shall deceide whom fights better, stormtroopers, Clones, space marines, guardsmen or the Waffen-SS.

The rules:

This is a ground engagement. Orbital strikes are not permitted. Aerial (but not aerospace) support and artillery is permitted)

All humans are created equal, save marines, who are better, but vastly outnumbered and lack heavy equipment.


Acceptable attacks constitute pictures, descriptives, quotes and everything short of blatant flame.



Let the battle begin!

 

[curlycrouton]

The Swiss Guard conquer all. End of the game.

 

[EscapeGoat_v1legacy]

The Spanish Inquistion leap from nowhere, utilising their surprise to their advantage. Surprised, and in terror, the Swiss Guard are powerless as they are subjected to such tortures as the rack, the pillows with all the stuffing in one corner, and the COMFY CHAIR!!

The Spanish Inquisition reign supreme, safe in the knowledge that the Pope will reward them for their fanatical devotion.

 

[Ultrajoe]

40K Universe deploys the Titan Legions of Mars, the marching God-Machines flanked by hordes of Skitarii warriors and gun-servitors. The might of the forge-planet is unleashed from the sky-scraper sized guns of the Titans, and all fall before their wrathful gaze.

For the ommnisiah.

Spoiler: Note:

one planet, and already unbeatable. Add in all the other forces and planets of 40K and we can clearly see that the 41st millenium is the eventual victor by default. Add to this a vastly superior Man-to-man power of their troops, and the fact that they outnumber all other forces even with their supposedly 'poor' numbers, and the imperium alone can take out anyone standing on this planet.

Yes, you can put all other restrictions to make it a 'fair' fight, but then what's the point?Then all the victor can say was 'I bested a foe that was restricted in power and number so that i had the chance to defeat him!'.

If this is a proper war, a war of universes, the might of 40K is purely unstoppable.

And yes, they count as ground-forces. See how they walk? Ground.

 

[vid20]

I step on your miniatures. you cry a lot. But I still win.

 

[Dramatic Flare]

40K Universe deploys the Titan Legions of Mars, the marching God-Machines flanked by hordes of Skitarii warriors and gun-servitors. The might of the forge-planet is unleashed from the sky-scraper sized guns of the Titans, and all fall before their wrathful gaze.

For the ommnisiah.

Spoiler: Note:

one planet, and already unbeatable. Add in all the other forces and planets of 40K and we can clearly see that the 41st millenium is the eventual victor by default. Add to this a vastly superior Man-to-man power of their troops, and the fact that they outnumber all other forces even with their supposedly 'poor' numbers, and the imperium alone can take out anyone standing on this planet.

Yes, you can put all other restrictions to make it a 'fair' fight, but then what's the point?Then all the victor can say was 'I bested a foe that was restricted in power and number so that i had the chance to defeat him!'.

If this is a proper war, a war of universes, the might of 40K is purely unstoppable.

And yes, they count as ground-forces. See how they walk? Ground.

Spoiler

What if I use the Kotor part of Star Wars in which a single, strong Jedi/Sith can charge into a mass of twenty or so turrets and soldiers and kill them all with one or two Force Storm attacks? and don't even get me started on Destroy Droid. All your electronic systems are belong to junk heap.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

40K Universe deploys the Titan Legions of Mars, the marching God-Machines flanked by hordes of Skitarii warriors and gun-servitors. The might of the forge-planet is unleashed from the sky-scraper sized guns of the Titans, and all fall before their wrathful gaze.

For the ommnisiah.

Spoiler: Note:

one planet, and already unbeatable. Add in all the other forces and planets of 40K and we can clearly see that the 41st millenium is the eventual victor by default. Add to this a vastly superior Man-to-man power of their troops, and the fact that they outnumber all other forces even with their supposedly 'poor' numbers, and the imperium alone can take out anyone standing on this planet.

Yes, you can put all other restrictions to make it a 'fair' fight, but then what's the point?Then all the victor can say was 'I bested a foe that was restricted in power and number so that i had the chance to defeat him!'.

If this is a proper war, a war of universes, the might of 40K is purely unstoppable.

And yes, they count as ground-forces. See how they walk? Ground.

Spoiler

What if I use the Kotor part of Star Wars in which a single, strong Jedi/Sith can charge into a mass of twenty or so turrets and soldiers and kill them all with one or two Force Storm attacks? and don't even get me started on Destroy Droid. All your electronic systems are belong to junk heap.

Stand back Joe. I'll take care of this.


Commissar Fondant: "Men of the Imperium! Today we fight, tommorow, we reign victorious! FOR THE EMPEROR!!! CHARGE!!!!

I hereby flatten your Jedi under a human wave of ten thousand Death Korps soldiers. Or simply hit you with artillery. Nonelectronic, bog-standard artillery.

 

[Kevvers]

I step on your miniatures. you cry a lot. But I still win.

I like WH40K but this still made me LOL.

 

[Dramatic Flare]

40K Universe deploys the Titan Legions of Mars, the marching God-Machines flanked by hordes of Skitarii warriors and gun-servitors. The might of the forge-planet is unleashed from the sky-scraper sized guns of the Titans, and all fall before their wrathful gaze.

For the ommnisiah.

Spoiler: Note:

one planet, and already unbeatable. Add in all the other forces and planets of 40K and we can clearly see that the 41st millenium is the eventual victor by default. Add to this a vastly superior Man-to-man power of their troops, and the fact that they outnumber all other forces even with their supposedly 'poor' numbers, and the imperium alone can take out anyone standing on this planet.

Yes, you can put all other restrictions to make it a 'fair' fight, but then what's the point?Then all the victor can say was 'I bested a foe that was restricted in power and number so that i had the chance to defeat him!'.

If this is a proper war, a war of universes, the might of 40K is purely unstoppable.

And yes, they count as ground-forces. See how they walk? Ground.

Spoiler

What if I use the Kotor part of Star Wars in which a single, strong Jedi/Sith can charge into a mass of twenty or so turrets and soldiers and kill them all with one or two Force Storm attacks? and don't even get me started on Destroy Droid. All your electronic systems are belong to junk heap.

Stand back Joe. I'll take care of this.


Commissar Fondant: "Men of the Imperium! Today we fight, tommorow, we reign victorious! FOR THE EMPEROR!!! CHARGE!!!!

I hereby flatten your Jedi under a human wave of ten thousand Death Korps soldiers. Or simply hit you with artillery. Nonelectronic, bog-standard artillery.

Tens of thousands of Death Korps soldiers, vs hundreds of thousands of Storm Troopers.
I'm not arguing that that Warhammer wouldn't win in the end, only that if all of a single Universe became united against another Universe that it's not going to be so easy for one to march through-
Unless it's anything with guns vs. LOTR.
So while you could try flattening Jedi but it's still the KOTOR problem. the Jedi can simply use Destroy Droid to reduce your heavy powered suits to heavy metallic baggage. And the artillery can be effective, except for the fact that there was Artillery in the Star Wars series too.
And what if we get the Death Star involved?

 

[Bling Cat]

Two words. Castle Crashers.

Call in your artillery strikes if you will, send forth your armies of uncountable soldiers. I have four knights with magic, here to kick ass and chew bubblegum. And they don't have any mouths.

 

[Ultrajoe]

Force, meet the Warp. Kenobi, meet Tigerius.

In 40K there is no light or dark side, just the power to take your little pushy mind-tricks and blow your asshole out your ears with righteous fire.

You are outnumbered, you are outgunned. Your greatest weapon is rendered moot in the face of psychic oblivion and you still have a million supermen with rapid fire rocket launchers to contend with.

Death Star? Sweet lord son, have you heard of exterminatus?

 

[Rolling Thunder]

Oh, hundreds of thousands. Excellent.

"Get me Lord Commander Zuhelke."

*Lord Commander Zuhelke miraculously appears*


Lord Supreme High Commander Fondant: Sod Vraks, it is now time to engage the enemy in an unending battle of attrittion. Your army stands at?

Zuhelke: Two and a half million men, my Lord.

LSHC Fondant: Excellent. You shall be the leading edge of our offensive, as shall the Penal Legions of Methalor, salvar and St. Josame's hope. General Kraganov will be arriving with his Valhallan army shortly, and reinforcements from Cadia, Armageddon and Tallarn are en route. (addressing Lexmechanic griems) How many men shall that total:

Lexmechanic Griems: Assuming nominal loss rates during transit....fifteen million regulars, plus the Penal Legions. With 500,000 armoured vehicles, 68,000 heavy artillery pieces, 190,000 specialist assault troops, 62,000 supporting personel and.....

 

[Dramatic Flare]

Force, meet the Warp. Kenobi, meet Tigerius.

In 40K there is no light or dark side, just the power to take your little pushy mind-tricks and blow your asshole out your ears with righteous fire.

You are outnumbered, you are outgunned. Your greatest weapon is rendered moot in the face of psychic oblivion and you still have a million supermen with rapid fire rocket launchers to contend with.

Death Star? Sweet lord son, have you heard of exterminatus?

Actually, no. I have a Mac.
I am beginning to realize this more of an issue than I thought.
BAH! Might I add a second time that I'm not arguing SW would win against WH40k, I'm arguing it's not such a walk in the park.
Assuming the entirety of the Universe, Warhammer 40k can be counted and collected because damn near every person is related to it. It's "total war", as the theory is called. Assuming we take the KOTOR1 part, It's not just republic soldiers. Jedi are still the predominate force in the galaxy but the Sith are equally powerful and equally numbered. Then you have to start collecting the races not associated with either, such as the Mandalorians (but admittedly by the events of KOTOR1 they are a shadow of their former glory) and the wookies, Trandoshians and mercenaries... the jedi and Republic soldiers aren't the only ones fighting.
Do I honestly think SW would win? probably not. I'm just saying if you take all the soldiers from one side and put them on one side of a massive field, and do the same with all the soldiers from the other side, neither one is going to have a ridiculously easy walk in the park.
Each one has their unique powers and such, but they can cancel each other out if both commanders are equally creative.
For example, you mentioned supermen with Rocket launchers, Ultrajoe. Assuming there is no cover and Jedi are targeted first, The Jedi can either die or be creative. I would have them use force Wave, which knocks everything within 15m back. Let them wait until the last second and knock all your rockets back with such an attack. Am I certain beyond a doubt it would work? No. And you could easily have more rockets than I have pushes. But it is a plausible strategy.
I'm simply pointing out there are ways to take a perceived strength and turn it back on its head.

And @ Looney: ...Unless the powered suits have absolutely no computer components, there is something there to effect. Given that a powered armor suit would be too complex for a man to just work entirely by himself mechanically, I'm going to assume there would have to be some computer components, even if it's just for the optics. Destroy Droid would still be effective. And if not, Force Storm is still an electrical based attack which would overload the enemy systems.

And we can stop arguing numbers. Numbers are a good way to determine who will win, but it is far from absolute. I point you to How Great Generals Win, a book which focuses mostly on commanders who time and again managed to secure victory with smaller/weaker forces, or were just damn creative with things.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

The stormtroopers & clones, being a bunch of movie extras in costume armour (& CGI), sensibly run away. The space marines and guardsmen, being a bunch of inch high models made of plastic or lead, sit there doing nothing. The Waffen-SS, being a bunch of ex Nazi elite shock troops, are pushing at least 80 by now and are really in no condition to go to war.
So the fight is called off and the judges declare it a draw.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

I shoot you in the head for lacking in imagination.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

I shoot you in the head for lacking in imagination.

Okay, okay...one of the ex SS men dies of old age. While running away one of the stormtroopers steps on a squad of marines, loses his footing, falls and twists his ankle. The computer generating the CGI clone troopers shuts down thanks to windows vista.

The clones come in last due to being wiped out. Next are the Marines, having lost a whole squad, then the SS for losing 1 man. Although they took out a squad of marines, the stormtroopers did take a casualty, while the guard lost no men and made no kills. Eventually the judges award it to the stormtroopers by a 3:2 verdict, citing greater kill count as the primary reason for their decision.

Note that I was going to quote you and replace "in imagination" with 'faith in the emporer' but I don't know how to use strikethrough.

 

[Dramatic Flare]

And @ Looney: ...Unless the powered suits have absolutely no computer components, there is something there to effect. Given that a powered armor suit would be too complex for a man to just work entirely by himself mechanically, I'm going to assume there would have to be some computer components, even if it's just for the optics. Destroy Droid would still be effective. And if not, Force Storm is still an electrical based attack which would overload the enemy systems.

And we can stop arguing numbers. Numbers are a good way to determine who will win, but it is far from absolute. I point you to How Great Generals Win, a book which focuses mostly on commanders who time and again managed to secure victory with smaller/weaker forces, or were just damn creative with things.

The suits are more than capable of providing the same amount of protection even if the power source has been removed, and the tech in the helmet rendered useless. They have been used this way several times in the fluff and in the into video to DoW 1 it shows a marine lacking the power pack still charging his way up a hill.

Force Storm would be your best bet simply due to the fact that in the ceramite armor and plasteel armor there are lots of metal bits that will attract the lightning.

The numbers I were arguing were simply that if you were up against the Legions before the Heresy, you'd be fighting the best Fictional Troops in that universe, in rather large numbers.

Ooh.
Someone needs to bring to the WH40k maker's attention a ceramic called Zirconium Oxide.
It's fucking awesome.
It's stronger, harder to break, harder to melt, and retains a sharper edge than Steel.
I really want one as a sword.
XD

Well, yes and no. Since this is all fiction, I can just randomly create more than even more epic and more ridiculously overpowered. And what about the marines in the book version of Starship Troopers? In that book, the suits are essentially over-sized gorillas with mini-nukes and chain guns attached.

 

[Ultrajoe]

Well, yes and no. Since this is all fiction, I can just randomly create more than even more epic and more ridiculously overpowered. And what about the marines in the book version of Starship Troopers? In that book, the suits are essentially over-sized gorillas with mini-nukes and chain guns attached.[/color]

In 40K, they're called terminators.

We have it all, baby.