what caused raptures demise
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I'm gonna have to start my entire statement by saying this: The lack of Religion was (I guarantee this) *not* in any way a factor in Rapture's demise.masakoz said:
I'd have to say that, since I listened to all the little audio tapes, I know that everyone in rapture had visions of Grandeur but there had to be a lower level employee (IE Janitors and such). Thus, because of everyone's own vanity, they started fighting and that was a good factor of it all.
Another probable cause of it's downfall is the genetic splicing. I mean, if I were given so much power, I'd certainly abuse of it and freak myself up until my power was unrivaled. So I think everyone in there had an idea similar to mine and was corrupted by power.
I'd have to say the little sister/Big daddies probably did have something to do with the downfall. Although they were "harmless" if left alone, the little sisters are basically walking batteries for power (for the answer to your questions on how this would lead to the Fall, look at my previous paragraph).
In the end though, I'll have to be unoriginal and say it's mostly Andrew Ryan's fault for not simply taking a bunch of other people, bringing them in and genetically modifying them to be mentally disabled (IE making easy Slave Labor). <--- I know; I'm despicable.
It might have had something to do with the machine guns and rocket launchers available in vending machines all over the city.
True up to a point. Fontaine run a smuggling operation to bring things from the surface to Rapture, which was against Ryan's beliefs, so he hired the Splicers to kill Fontaine. Only, Fontaine was one step ahead of him and had already hired Splicers of his own through his House of the Poor, etc.pvtchunders said:
I thought it was the adam. The stuff was marketed as being this great break-through in human history; and it kinda was. It could be used for any sort of bodily modificastion, whether it be changing your appearance, gaining super powers, or curing cancer (probably). The stuff was like heroin, though. Once you got some, you needed more and that created a conflict where everyone did whatever nessecary to get more adam. Those who used it too much (everyone) became insane and lost all inhibitions, causing them to lash out at others.
That's what caused Rapture's demise.
That's what caused Rapture's demise.
Literally yes, but ADAM was also metaphor for society unbound by any concept of morals. Moreover, a concept of morality and a limitation on "playing god" would've also stemmed the damage of ADAM in a literal sense.gigastrike said:
Bioshocks message isn't necessarily that you have to be religeous, or conservative, or believe this is wrong or that is wrong. Bioshocks message is there is some base line of human decency somewhere, something that defies culture or faith, and you should not cross that line.
But as has been mentioned, ADAM just sped the decay. Also at issue was Ryans fear of the outside world (Ryan is CLEARLY a play on Howard Hughs btw with his OCD control tendencies) and peoples disatisfaction with their hyper capitalist environment.
A movement to any extremity is a movement of self destruction.
I would say the fact it was built underwater with no communications to the outside world. That pretty much ended it for them. Since everything was self contained, something is just begging to go bad.
Objectivism is a sick joke? I think that is enough.
That may seem unnecessarily harsh and inflammatory, as I know some of my fellow Escapians are admirers of Ayn Rand, but it sums up my views on objectivism quite nicely. The arrogance required to hold oneself as separate from the rest of humanity, to consider yourself to be one of Rand's industrialists, the innovator to whom fellow human beings are dead weight, is astonishing, and a society built on such values is going to collapse under the sheer magnitude of its own self-righteous hubris, that is to say its "Ego" (Anthem was required reading way back in 9th grade, and even then, something about Rand rubbed me the wrong way, something apart from her mediocre writing, anyway).
That may seem unnecessarily harsh and inflammatory, as I know some of my fellow Escapians are admirers of Ayn Rand, but it sums up my views on objectivism quite nicely. The arrogance required to hold oneself as separate from the rest of humanity, to consider yourself to be one of Rand's industrialists, the innovator to whom fellow human beings are dead weight, is astonishing, and a society built on such values is going to collapse under the sheer magnitude of its own self-righteous hubris, that is to say its "Ego" (Anthem was required reading way back in 9th grade, and even then, something about Rand rubbed me the wrong way, something apart from her mediocre writing, anyway).