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Kimono dragon

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I don't mean to sound pretentious by asking this but I do think this it is an important question and I would be very interested to know what you as gamers think. Do you agree with Yahtzee who says games are art? Or do you think that storytelling should be left to books and movies and that games are about gameplay, player skill and that games are in fact closer to sport than art?

I myself think the term 'Game' is misleading and that the unabbreviated 'Video-Game' is a far better way of describing them. 'Video-games' are essentially the combination of video like a film or TV and games like chess or darts in the same way those choose your own adventure book are a combination of book and game. Imagine taking away the video element of an FPS, using controller you are moving a crosshair over targets and hitting them, of course this is very much simplified but is in essence the process you repeat over and over in many games but with the video this becomes more than a 'game' you are suddenly enveloped in a virtual world, playing a good video-game is like (though not entirely) taking control of the main character in a film.
There are many examples both good and bad of these two elements being combined, take for instance killzone, you play through an area shooting many enemies with little variation when the section is complete a cut scene plays, a strict structure of game-video-game-video, as a result it is very un-immersive compared to a video-game like Half Life where you are in full control of Gordon Freeman throughout the game to the extent that when you play you feel like you are Gordon Freeman, Alex is talking to you rather than a character you are controlling. One sure-fire way in my opinion of being able to tell a good game is knowing that it couldn't exist in any other art form, imagine a movie of Bioshock or a book Portal it couldn?t happen without key elements being lost , replaced with different ones and being at a loss for it.

There are those that see games as just that, saying that ultimately game-play is the most important element, I think this point of view damages video-games for everyone. You know that view the stereotypical parent has: Video-games are a pointless, distracting, brainless hobby with none of the merits of films, music or books well if you see Video-games in the same light as say chess or football then they are right, how can you honestly defend 'training' on CSS? If it can be considered a sport then it is a pathetic one, think of the skills involved compared to say Tennis? I think that Video-game is an important term that is not to be forgotten, they are not simply modern games, the combination has created something completely distinct from both videos and games.

Well, those are my thoughts but what do you think?
 

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game
1  /geɪm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [geym] Show IPA noun, adjective, gam⋅er, gam⋅est, verb, gamed, gam⋅ing.
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a competitive activity involving skill, chance, or endurance on the part of two or more persons who play according to a set of rules, usually for their own amusement or for that of spectators.

Other then that, I like games. But they are repetitive nowadays.
 

FallenJellyDoughnut

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Yahtzee doesn't say that games are art. They are a form of entertainment.

Mysterious Stranger said:
A miserable pile of quick-time events?
Are you talking about all games or just Guitar Hero?
 

Kimono dragon

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Yahtzee takes the Oscar Wilde point of veiw meaing that which doesn't have a purpose is art, games are art in the same way as a book or a film, they have no real purpose other than to entertain us, they are pointless.

He says this in numerous videos.
 

riskroWe

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There's no way games aren't art, art is all about awareness and personal interpretation. Although I think it was Nietzsche who said that it's hard to reflect on something while you're actively taking part in it.

The idea of a 'video game' is giving the player the tools to create their own artistic experience. While a game itself can be a work of art, games in general are not unless there is someone playing the game who can create something with it.
 

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Mysterious Stranger said:
A miserable pile of quick-time events?
Was exactly my thought when I read the topic title.

I can't say games are an art form. They exhibit forms of art: storytelling, music, visual art, etc. but it ends up being a montage of art rather than a new form in itself.
 

Collymilad08

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It's hard to say what games are...

Since you can do an increasing number of things with games technology it's hard to pinpoint exactly what they are.

However I will say that for me games are more than just a stupid hobby. I think they have the potential to be much more, just as books and films can affect you in a way that is more than just entertainment.

For me the way games are treated isn't so much that in itself - it's the way people seem to say negative things about games, whilst seperating them off from books, films, and even TV sometimes. If games are a pointless waste of time then so are all of the above (with the exception of educational ones)
 

SultanP

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I mostly play story driven games. I've occasionally forgotten to go to bed just to see where the story is going in a game. This has never happened in games that focus less on the story. Those games also tend to become boring and repetitive much faster.
 

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ThePeiceOfEden said:
It's a combo of everything... Story,Graphics,Atmosphere,Gameplay and Epicness
I agree, video-games are the culmination of several different aspects that all combine into a game (a multi-faceted medium of entertainment by anyones standards).

Video-games tend to be far more immersive than any other medium for story telling, and are not limited by the things that inhibit books and movies.

Video-games can also be used as effectively as a piece of art to get a message across and evoke an emotional response from those playing them.

so...yeah
 

Christemo

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a miserable little pile of secrets. cookie for the reference.

kidding aside, its a electronic program that entertains people.
 

Kimono dragon

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Careful there, are you really saying that video games tell stories and give messages better than novels? I'd say the combination of video and game is a remarkable form of entertainment that gives birth to numerous possibilities, storytelling and artistic messages being among them but I wouldn't want to be the one saying they do those things better than books, Video-games do different things.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying you?re wrong I?m just pointing out that is a rather bold statement.

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ThePeiceOfEden said:
Jack Of Herts said:
ThePeiceOfEden said:
It's a combo of everything... Story,Graphics,Atmosphere,Gameplay and Epicness
Video-games tend to be far more immersive than any other medium for story telling, and are not limited by the things that inhibit books and movies.
Yeah I forgot to add emotional things, Love, Death, Anger, shit like that
 

The_ModeRazor

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It's definitely not art.
It can be artistic, but taht is usually not the point. THe point is to have the most fun.
By any means necessary.
Garr me mateys!
 

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Kimono dragon said:
But that's the thing:

Movies/videos = Art
Games/sports = Not Art
Video-Games = ???
Art by definition is expression.

Therefore games are art if they express ANYTHING.
 

HentMas

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Kimono dragon said:
Do you agree with Yahtzee who says games are art?
Yahtzee didn´t say that

he said exactly the oposite, he said "a game is to entertain yourselve"

and it separates in several forms, artsy, story or gameplay driven

or at least thats what i understand and what i personaly believe
 

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Video games are a form of entertainment. Some devs try topass them off as Art, but for that to truly happen, video games would need to become much more widely accepted in the overall community.