What's so great about Elder Scrolls?

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Blade1130

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I've been on these forums for at least a LITTLE while now, and I've noticed that in damned near every thread related to extremely good games Oblivion or Skyrim comes up. I've never personally played either, and I was wondering, why are they so great? Oblivion seems to be THE RPG that is apparently the greatest thing ever made, while Skyrim appears to be the second coming of Christ. I have seen a handful of trailers for both, and neither look that good to me, they seem quite boring, but clearly everyone on this site seems to love them. Again, I haven't played, but after everyone on these forums I'm definitely considering giving Oblivion a shot, I just want to know what makes them so great?
 

RedEyesBlackGamer

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Freedom. You are thrown into the world and told to go do something. The freedom that the games offer is the major selling point for me.
 

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Oblivion is fun, but it's not the best game in the world like the internet would make you believe. It's not even that great of an RPG, it's horrendously broken, ugly (And I don't just mean "outdated graphics", it's ugly), boring characters, story, and writing. However, it is pretty fun and huge. If you've played Fallout 3 and/or Fallout: New Vegas, you'll have fun, if you've played an RPG for BioWare or any other developer with really good writing, you'll be bored to tears with the story and characters.
 

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If you don't like the trailers. then you may not like the games. It seems to me by the wording of your post that fantasy RPGs aren't your thing.
 

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Oblivion isn't the greatest rpg I have ever played, but it is pretty damn fun to play because you can pretty much do whatever you feel like doing. Don't want to go through the main story? You don't have to, you can just screw around killing guards. Or you can join any of the guilds in the world (Dark Brotherhood is my favorite). The game doesn't ask you to do anything, but have fun, at least that's my opinion.

Edit: Forgot to add that I wish today was the 10th...
 

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I've blown 200 plus hours on Oblivion and I have never yet finished the storyline. There's so much to do in the world, and you can do it any way you want. Oblivion is a wonderful game if you love open world exploration and dungeon crawling.
 

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chaosyoshimage said:
It's not even that great of an RPG, it's horrendously broken, ugly (And I don't just mean "outdated graphics", it's ugly), boring characters, story, and writing. However, it is pretty fun and huge. If you've played Fallout 3 and/or Fallout: New Vegas, you'll have fun, if you've played an RPG for BioWare or any other developer with really good writing, you'll be bored to tears with the story and characters.
Graphics never meant much to me, as long as I can tell what I'm killing and that I'm succeeding, I don't really care what the game looks like. Although the last time I said that, guy told me there was something called Doom that was right up my alley... I've never played Fallout 3 or New Vegas, though they are also on my list of "shit I need to play eventually", however I have played both Mass Effects many times through, but never got into any other BioWare games. Sorry, Dragon Age does NOT look interesting to me in the least, maybe I'm just crazy...

PunkyMcGee said:
If you don't like the trailers. then you may not like the games. It seems to me by the wording of your post that fantasy RPGs aren't your thing.
You do have a point, Middle Ages era games were never my cup of tea, although I do like the Sci-Fi/cyber-punk style ones much better, ie. Mass Effect, Deus Ex, Halo. But I've been trying to branch out a lot more, exploring genres I never got into. For instance I've never been one for horror games, but I got Amnesia the other day simply because I heard it was really good. I still want to play Silent Hill at some point, where exactly can I get that now anyways? I also generally don't like Real-Time Strategy games, but damn do I love StarCraft, though that one isn't very recent... Let's put it this way, I'm not really into the fantasy RPG's like you said, but I'm trying to give it a try, and I figured the "best" one should at least come off as "decent" to someone who doesn't like the genre.
 

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i love the elder scrolls games (along with games like fallout and GTA) because of its open world nature. i love the feeling of "i know there are things for me to do here but... whats over that mountain? i wonder where that trail leads? oooh, something shiny is running away..." its just a game with the most absolute freedom you can experience in a videogame. i just love the fact that you can play 2 hours of the game with 10 other friends and each of them have a completely different and completely epic time. i guess if you dont like open world games it isnt great and everyones first open world game can seem a bit daunting (my brother stopped playing fallout 3 because he had no direction)

i guess the best way to sum it all up is that it feeds one's inner explorer/ adventurer where you get to choose where you go and when
 

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Blade1130 said:
I've been on these forums for at least a LITTLE while now, and I've noticed that in damned near every thread related to extremely good games Oblivion or Skyrim comes up. I've never personally played either, and I was wondering, why are they so great? Oblivion seems to be THE RPG that is apparently the greatest thing ever made, while Skyrim appears to be the second coming of Christ. I have seen a handful of trailers for both, and neither look that good to me, they seem quite boring, but clearly everyone on this site seems to love them. Again, I haven't played, but after everyone on these forums I'm definitely considering giving Oblivion a shot, I just want to know what makes them so great?
How about a counter question, what seems boring about them?
 

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Blade1130 said:
Again, I haven't played, but after everyone on these forums I'm definitely considering giving Oblivion a shot, I just want to know what makes them so great?
Do you have $20? If yes, go buy Oblivion and play it right now. If not, go make $20 and buy Oblivion and play it right now.

After a short introduction/tutorial handled in the game world, you're left to do whatever the hell you want. There are ridiculous amounts of content and every NPC is pre-made and (relatively) unique. It might be one of the most immersive games ever.

Also, mods.
 

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The appeal is the fact that you can do pretty much anything and go pretty much anywhere. This is something that the Elder Scrolls games have always pulled off really well. I've noticed that people tend to either really love it or really hate it, so there's no real guarantee on what any individual will think of the series. On top of that, each installment has its die-hard fans and its die-hard haters. There's quite a few who maintain that Daggerfall was the last good one.

Personally, I love them all and there is no release that could possibly excite me more than Skyrim.

Anyway, besides the freedom, there's the abundance of quests and locations, and the potential for a completely different experience each time you play, due to using a different character build. That's something that was a little lacking in Oblivion, but I still got tons of play time out of it.

They're generally not that well-written, but they're not...awful, either. The characters are mostly pretty uninteresting, but the factions, politics and history of Tamriel can be pretty engrossing, if that's your thing. I think the Argonians, Dark Elves, and Dark Brotherhood in particular have fascinating histories.

Combat's usually only passable, and stealth has yet to work really well. It looks like Skyrim will be far and away the strongest installment in this department.

Really, you have to try these games for yourself. There's not much they can be compared to, and they certainly don't appeal to everyone.
 

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[quote="Blade1130" post= Let's put it this way, I'm not really into the fantasy RPG's like you said, but I'm trying to give it a try, and I figured the "best" one should at least come off as "decent" to someone who doesn't like the genre.[/quote]

Well, that's pretty subjective. I think that Elder Scrolls is far and away the best fantasy RPG, but it depends on tastes and what you're measuring by. A lot of people would point you to The Witcher 2, or Dragon Age: Origins.
 

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Blade1130 said:
chaosyoshimage said:
It's not even that great of an RPG, it's horrendously broken, ugly (And I don't just mean "outdated graphics", it's ugly), boring characters, story, and writing. However, it is pretty fun and huge. If you've played Fallout 3 and/or Fallout: New Vegas, you'll have fun, if you've played an RPG for BioWare or any other developer with really good writing, you'll be bored to tears with the story and characters.
Graphics never meant much to me, as long as I can tell what I'm killing and that I'm succeeding, I don't really care what the game looks like. Although the last time I said that, guy told me there was something called Doom that was right up my alley... I've never played Fallout 3 or New Vegas, though they are also on my list of "shit I need to play eventually", however I have played both Mass Effects many times through, but never got into any other BioWare games. Sorry, Dragon Age does NOT look interesting to me in the least, maybe I'm just crazy...
hold off on fallout: new vegas, the GOTY version is comming out some time in February and it will have all of the DLC. as for fallout 3, play it before you play new vegas because it is an amazing game but as soon as you play new vegas you will ruin F3 due to the new mods for weapons, better characters, better story... i saw fallout 3 as a darker game you can mess around in and new vegas as a funnier game with a better system (without the bugs though)
 

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Blade1130 said:
Sorry, Dragon Age does NOT look interesting to me in the least, maybe I'm just crazy...
I guess the whole "medieval fantasy setting" is a turn off for you, it's a shame, my brother's the same way, can't get him to play/watch stuff I think he'd like because of it.
 

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We don't love The Elder Scrolls games themselves necessarily, what we love is the way Bethesda does RPGs. The way I see it, Bethesda have been more or less evolving the same concept for five games now, what I mean is that Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas, and Skyrim are essentially all one big series that's getting consistently better, THAT is why there's so much hype for Skyrim, because we love that whole open world, exploration based way of making an RPG.
 

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Imo, if you can start with Morrowind you should. I liked it a bit more than Oblivion and despite some major flaws(Raaks......... O.O & original xbox graphics) its still an incredible game and has one of the most expansive worlds ever created. I've never tested it, but i believe to walk from one end of the map to the other at the normal in-game walking speed it took nearly 24 hours.

Anyway, the appeal of Elder Scrolls games is that they are the pinnacle of non-linear gaming. The moment you start playing (after an introduction where you choose your skills, race and class) you can do WHATEVER you want. you have an objective, but it could be weeks before you even choose to do it. In Oblivion i made it a point to not even start the main quest line until i had become grand master of all the guilds. You dont even have to have an objective though, you could just pick a direction, like East, and then just walk that way, finding dungeons, animals, treasure, fortresses.

I agree that in the past the voice acting has been...... bad. but i feel the books make up for it. There are HUNDREDS of books in the game. all of them handwritten by the devs and explaining the history and the world of the elder scrolls, as well as some of-the-wall books.. Lusty Argonian Maid anyone? lol.

Honestly, if you have any interest in the action rpg genre. pick up morrowind or oblivion for $10 and just try them out. The elder scrolls are a gaming experience that i believe everyone should experience.
 

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Blade1130 said:
I've been on these forums for at least a LITTLE while now, and I've noticed that in damned near every thread related to extremely good games Oblivion or Skyrim comes up. I've never personally played either, and I was wondering, why are they so great? Oblivion seems to be THE RPG that is apparently the greatest thing ever made, while Skyrim appears to be the second coming of Christ. I have seen a handful of trailers for both, and neither look that good to me, they seem quite boring, but clearly everyone on this site seems to love them. Again, I haven't played, but after everyone on these forums I'm definitely considering giving Oblivion a shot, I just want to know what makes them so great?
Oblivion was only okay, and the only reason anyone says otherwise ids if they're already commited t the Elder Scrolls universe (like me) or are totally new to RPGs and THIS SHIT JUST BLEW MY MIND
Skyrim will be awesome because we BELIEVE in it
Morrowind is one of the best RPGs ever made. If you can get around the ancient graphics, and have enough patience for dialogue and lore, you will love it.
Daggerfall fans swear at me and insist that it was much better than morrowind, and whether it is or not, it's certainly a lot bigger than morrowind

Actually, that's probably it: the whole series is just HUGE RPGs

And nerds like big rooms with tiny secrets
 

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I've never gotten into a TES game. Don't get me wrong, they're very well made and stupidly deep titles, but there's too great an emphasis on fucking around. All I ever end up doing is slaughtering an entire city/village/town and stopping after about 5 hours. They're very good games, but I just don't have fun with them.

I generally play games for story and writing. It's why I like JRPG's so much (yeah, every story is about saving the world from Satan, I know), particularly older ones. Before graphics were photorealistic and the big draw, time was spent on making an engrossing story with deep, multidimensional characters (I still hold Luke fon Fabre from Tales of the Abyss as the zenith of gaming character arcs).

My view can be summed up by saying (and this is admittedly stupid sounding) when you give me so much to do, it just makes me feel like doing nothing.