Whats the Hardest Metal You Listen to?

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This thread is basically about "how metal are you?". For those unfamiliar with the Mohs Scale of Rock and Metal Hardness, its a scale which uses certain criteria to see how "hard" a song is. Its not exactly perfect but I think its a neat little tool. Heres the scale,

Rough outline of the levels:

1. As soft as rock gets. May be an otherwise 2 song without any guitar to distort, or a song which is generally slow and light.


2. Soft rock. A lot of early rock is here; if you're not really sure if they're using an acoustic or an electric guitar, this is probably where you want to put it.


3. Rock sans intensifier. A bit faster/louder/darker than 2, but still pretty soft. The heaviest soft rock and the softest hard rock can both be found here.


4. Relatively harder rock. This is about where you can start finding punk, as well; lighter than this and you can't usually muster the kind of anger you need for punk. This is pretty much as heavy as Rock n' Roll got.


5. Hard rock that is definitely still rock. The love songs start thinning out here, but lyrics at this stage can be about just about anything. The very softest of alt-metal can also get this low, but it is very rare.


6. Difficult to tell if it's rock or metal. This is pretty much as far as you can get on just an acoustic guitar. Most Glam Metal and softer post-grunge can be found here. This is where you'll also find softer Alternative Metal.


7. Classic metal and most power metal. After this point the number of punk bands begins to decrease, with the remaining examples predominantly of the hardcore punk variety. The music is pretty fast and noisy at this point. The lyrics start to become darker, though vocalists still use clean, melodic styles most of the time. The heavier sides of Glam and post-grunge can be found here as well as most Nu Metal. Viking and Folk metal starts showing up around here. The lightest Groove Metal can be found here.


8. Most thrash metal, and heavier forms of power metal along with some classic metal. Lyrics are usually very dark at this point. Vocal style is usually a snarl, but clean singing is also common. Occasionally growls and screams will be employed. The harder side of hardcore punk is here, and metalcore (fusion of thrash metal and hardcore punk) starts to predominate. Whether purists want to hear it or not, the lighter and more atmospheric side of black metal also starts here. You'll also find yet more viking/folk metal populating this region. Most Groove Metal is here. This is pretty much as heavy as you can get with radio airplay (with a few exceptions).


9. Lighter death metal (especially Melodic Death Metal) or harder thrash metal. You'll also find a lot of the less abrasive 'true' black metal here. Here is about where you start to get singers growling or screaming for most of the song (This is also probably the highest level that can be attained with only clean singing). Lyrics may be very violent or just generally extremely dark. This is the last zone where you are likely to find hardcore punk that doesn't have a substantial metal or noise infusion. This is also about where metalcore starts to transition to deathcore (which also begins around this level). Most viking/folk metal that has a significant infusion of black metal or death metal falls here. A lot of the heavier side of Groove Metal is found here.


10. Most death metal and black metal. Lyrics start to get positively disturbing and/or gorny and the singer will always be growling or screaming. The hardest variants of thrash metal, Melodic Death Metal, and viking/folk metal can hit this point, but that is quite uncommon. At this point hardcore bands become indistinguishable from metal to anyone who's not a loyal fan of both genres. Grindcore starts here. While it is possible for a metalcore band to get this high, its very rare. Groove Metal at this level usually has a lot of Death Metal influence.


11. And Beyond: Anal **** is here, along with the harder side of grindcore especially the subgenres of pornogrind, noisegrind and goregrind. The most extreme death metal (a good portion of the brutal death metal and slam death metal subgenres end up up here) and black metal also lies here. The very heaviest mathcore (technical, chaotic hardcore) can also reach this level. Growling or screaming will start sounding almost inhuman, and Careful With That Axe is a favorite trope. Significant elements of this class are experimental in nature, although Stealth Parodists commonly make their way up here as well.

List of examples [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness]
(Scroll down some)

Personally I listen to a lot of stuff that can rank up to 9, but most of my favorites are comfortably around 7. When you get to 10 and 11 I just can't stand that total lack of any....well singing and cohesion.

What says you peoples?
 

Lilani

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I think the highest I've got on my iPod is about an 8, and they would be these couple of songs right here.



And quite a bit of Nightwish, as well.
 

JaceArveduin

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Mostly 7/8 by his examples. Blind Guardian's got a foot in both camps, along with many other camps depending on the song. Iced Earth does too, but Blind Guardian's still my favorite. So yeah, hard, but not absurdly.

And apparently the captcha has a crush on me, seeing as it wishes for me to call'm. I thought I didn't have to worry bout stalkers...
 

Vault101

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hmm Disturbed or in flames mostly

though I dont mind some Eqilibrium which has the screaming

I hear liking metal means your smart...though I dont listen to much :/
 

ohnoitsabear

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A listen to a few songs that could be considered a ten or maybe an 11. Mostly, it's stuff ranging from a 6 to a 9.

Here's some of the heavier stuff, if you're interested.
 

Aris Khandr

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Wherever hair metal falls. The 80s stuff. I listen to that, and it's about as "hard" as anything I listen to gets.
 

LilithSlave

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I can't stand most grindcore. And I don't find Anal **** particularly ironic, just accomplishing exactly what they sought out to do. I do like Unholy Grave, which take an exception to the a lot of the essential "internet trolling in music form" lyrics pertaining to misogyny, racism, heterosexism, and other offensive things for the sake of it.

Instead, Unholy Gave is much like a lot of punk. The lyrics pertain to anti-racism and are very intelligent and personally agreeable. I also think that the sound has a certain sincere crustiness that lends itself to spreading it's own message emotionally and in a way I can sympathize with.

Unfortunately, very few grindcore acts do this. And I don't enjoy the music as a whole. It's also unfortunate that liking Deathcore and Thrashcore better than Grindcore, is taboo.

I also greatly enjoy Death Metal and Black Metal. Much like emocore, it can be a very visceral and cathartic team of genres. Sadly, like most rock music, it is incredibly dominated by male artists, though. As society socializes women against paths like these.

Bands like Mythic being a wonderful exception.
Several other groups like Gallhammer are also worthy of mention.

In my opinion, the kind of power trip one can get by listening to Death Metal, is much greater than any video game provides, except for very brief epic battles.

Like most genres, though, Death Metal is only capable of really harnessing one emotion. Pure rage. The combination of indignant, unfettered rage, and anti-Christian lyrics, make it something great to turn to, if you're not quite happy with a lot of idiotic fundamentalist Christians. Of which I often am. There's a thread about one recently, who wants to execute gay people.

Though sometimes it takes you on a journey of sorts.
In my opinion, this song has far more emotions than just unfettered rage. But also tends to invoke feelings of personal reflection, at least in me.

Also, perhaps Death Metal is a fettered rage of a sort, as it's focused into themes of epic feeling instead of whatever is relevant to them like is common among emocore bands. That is, Death Metal groups tend to focus their energy into fictional, often Power Metal inspired elements, as is the status quo of the metal genre. While in Punk, most specifically emotional hardcore, it's focused into reality, often the reality of the oppressed.

Black Metal is more of a haunting genre. Especially when it mixes with ambient.
In that regard, it reminds me a lot of emotional hardcore. Though it still fixates more upon themes of heritage, fiction, and scariness than emocore. Again, because it's still heavy metal and derives it's culture from heavy metal more than punk. Metal is more rooted in fiction, while punk is more rooted in reality.

For comparison, a classic emocore song.

And a few others.



Emotional Hardcore may not always be more cathartic. But I think this it has the tendency to express the feeling of rage better. It isn't afraid to be very ambient, or random, or chaotic like rage seems to be. Emocore is a lot less controlled. It's also a lot more topical, relevant, and of the real world. I think of it at a lot more unfettered and honest rage. One that doesn't hide behind epic fictional themes or isn't afraid to be honest and show vulnerability.

Personally, I tend to like and listen to it, more. As much as that may anger Heavy Metal fans. I'm not really interested in appeasing such closed minded metal fans. Heavy Metal being littered with as many machismo worshiping, misogynist racists as the first person shooter genre doesn't help my interest in that, either. At least the Punk culture is heavily influenced by feminism.

Technically I guess I would be a 10 on the scale. Though I don't listen to it all that often.
 

BathorysGraveland

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Death metal is my favourite genre, along with pagan black metal and epic doom. So I'd imagine it around the 8-9-10 mark usually. I do like a multitude of brutal death metal, grindcore and mid-period Marduk-style black metal bands too, so there is some 11 in there. Truth is, I like quite a few genres in metal, all of varying levels of extremity or "heaviness", whichever term you prefer.

I do like a handful of National Socialist black metal bands as well, and I'd imagine them being an 11 based on lyrical content alone xD

EDIT: This is a good example of some of the more extreme metal that I enjoy, both lyrically and musically.

 

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I like Lightning Bolt, they're the loudest group I listen to, and I don't know where they are on this great sliding scale of metal. I'll answer that it's sufficiently loud and ignore this big list of crap metal subgenres.

My biggest issue with this list is that it connects the sonic qualities of a song (eg heavy distorted or overdriven guitars, screamed vocals, etc) with lyrical content or thematic/emotional qualities of a song (eg Viking or Black Metal). Also, the fact that only three points of an 11 point scale are outside the realm of hard rock/metal. This is really the biggest crime

In conclusion, I feel that this list is made by self-congratulatory metal fans to make their own musical choices seem more metal by being all "oh, you listen to thrash, well that's only an 8 on the scale, my music is all 10 or above." Metal fans are absurd, so I will create my own list.

The Casimir Pulaski rating of Rock Hardness
1. Michael McDonald era Doobie Brothers, Neil Sedaka
2. The Eagles, Hall and Oates
3. Bon Iver, early era Doobie Brothers, Allman Brothers
4. CCR, Beatles, Creed
5. Black Keys, Rolling Stones, Poison, Blink 182
6. Ramones, Led Zeppelin, Soundgarden
7. Nirvana, Iron Maiden, Pixies, Korn
8. Metallica, My Bloody Valentine, The Stooges
9. Fugazi, Slint, Refused
10. rungs 7-11 of the Mohs Scale of Rock Hardness, Black Flag
11. Spinal Tap
 

KingCrInuYasha

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Launcelot111 said:
I like Lightning Bolt, they're the loudest group I listen to, and I don't know where they are on this great sliding scale of metal. I'll answer that it's sufficiently loud and ignore this big list of crap metal subgenres.

My biggest issue with this list is that it connects the sonic qualities of a song (eg heavy distorted or overdriven guitars, screamed vocals, etc) with lyrical content or thematic/emotional qualities of a song (eg Viking or Black Metal). Also, the fact that only three points of an 11 point scale are outside the realm of hard rock/metal. This is really the biggest crime

In conclusion, I feel that this list is made by self-congratulatory metal fans to make their own musical choices seem more metal by being all "oh, you listen to thrash, well that's only an 8 on the scale, my music is all 10 or above." Metal fans are absurd, so I will create my own list.

The Casimir Pulaski rating of Rock Hardness
1. Michael McDonald era Doobie Brothers, Neil Sedaka
2. The Eagles, Hall and Oates
3. Bon Iver, early era Doobie Brothers, Allman Brothers
4. CCR, Beatles, Creed
5. Black Keys, Rolling Stones, Poison, Blink 182
6. Ramones, Led Zeppelin, Soundgarden
7. Nirvana, Iron Maiden, Pixies, Korn
8. Metallica, My Bloody Valentine, The Stooges
9. Fugazi, Slint, Refused
10. rungs 7-11 of the Mohs Scale of Rock Hardness, Black Flag
11. Spinal Tap
Where does Black Sabbath circa Master Of Reality go on your list?
 

Launcelot111

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KingCrInuYasha said:
Launcelot111 said:
I like Lightning Bolt, they're the loudest group I listen to, and I don't know where they are on this great sliding scale of metal. I'll answer that it's sufficiently loud and ignore this big list of crap metal subgenres.

My biggest issue with this list is that it connects the sonic qualities of a song (eg heavy distorted or overdriven guitars, screamed vocals, etc) with lyrical content or thematic/emotional qualities of a song (eg Viking or Black Metal). Also, the fact that only three points of an 11 point scale are outside the realm of hard rock/metal. This is really the biggest crime

In conclusion, I feel that this list is made by self-congratulatory metal fans to make their own musical choices seem more metal by being all "oh, you listen to thrash, well that's only an 8 on the scale, my music is all 10 or above." Metal fans are absurd, so I will create my own list.

The Casimir Pulaski rating of Rock Hardness
1. Michael McDonald era Doobie Brothers, Neil Sedaka
2. The Eagles, Hall and Oates
3. Bon Iver, early era Doobie Brothers, Allman Brothers
4. CCR, Beatles, Creed
5. Black Keys, Rolling Stones, Poison, Blink 182
6. Ramones, Led Zeppelin, Soundgarden
7. Nirvana, Iron Maiden, Pixies, Korn
8. Metallica, My Bloody Valentine, The Stooges
9. Fugazi, Slint, Refused
10. rungs 7-11 of the Mohs Scale of Rock Hardness, Black Flag
11. Spinal Tap
Where does Black Sabbath circa Master Of Reality go on your list?
I'm not intimately familiar with the entire works of Black Sabbath, but from what I know of them, I'd put them at about a 7 or 8. Very heavy, especially for their time, but not particularly loud or distorted when compared to later bands. I've met so many metal fans that flat out won't accept Black Sabbath as metal ("C'mon man, it's hard rock at best"), and the Mohs scale seems to be made by that type of fan. I bet Sabbath would only get about a 4 or 5 on Mohs scale, but on the entire scale of rock, which the Mohs scale purports to represent, I say they're at least a 7.

Also, captcha: one hit wonder
 

GrimTuesday

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I'm not sure where it would fall, but the heaviest thing I listen to is Sabaton (somewhere between 7 and 9 I would think), other than that I prefer more mellow music.

 

Julianking93

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About 10 according to that scale.

Nothing up to 11.
That's just silly and virtually no enjoyment can be gained from listening to it.

My musical taste vary greatly from 1 - 10 on there but the heaviest stuff would probably be these:


And, besides Strapping, I've seen all those bands live.
 

onewheeled

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Just kidding. Though honestly, I find the part from 1:20-2:05 to be pretty damn intense, and one of the most passionate moments of music I've heard in a long time.

I'd call that about a 9, maybe even a 10. Very dark lyrics, screaming throughout, and just a generally fearsome tone through to the end. Basically, anything heavier than this, I do not enjoy.

Unless Equilibrium counts as higher. I dig that stuff.
 

Kotch

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According to the list of examples... about a 10 although I do make to the 11 mark every once in a while... mostly though 8 - 10 ....