What's your opinion on "flirty" female video game show hosts?

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FireAza

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Yeah, it's another "women and video games" topic, so sue me!

Anyway, it's probably news to no one that both dudes and woman host video game shows on the internet. A few of the female hosts though, seem to be trying using their gender to their advantage. Counting on the idea that the majority of people who are watching video game shows are male, they get "flirty" i.e they wear lot-cut tops and are all made up. Even our very own Lisa Foiles blows a kiss to the viewer at the end of her videos.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't mean this in a "woman are taking advantage of us men by cheating their way to success using their feminine whiles!", since I would expect most of us guys don't have the brain of a horny chimpanzee. But since the configuration of your genitals doesn't impact how good of a video game show host you can be, this gets me to wondering: why do some female hosts feel the need to flirt with the camera?

Now, I don't think that the girls who do this are "fake gamer girls" who don't know what they're talking about and are just doing it for the attention. Lisa clearly knows what she's talking about, and she has great on-camera charisma. I've actually yet to see a female video game show host who clearly has no idea what she's talking about. If you know your stuff, are a top-notch host AND you're also smokin' that's win freakin' win right there.

But when I see a new female host who is all dolled up on front of the camera, with her funbags trying to make a break for freedom, a few assumptions inadvertently come to mind and none of them positive:
1) "Is she using her charms are a crutch because she's not confident in in the quality of her work?"
2) "Does she think I'll watch her show just because she's showing some skin? Does she think I'm some stupid fourteen year old boy?"

I'm not saying female hosts should only appear on camera in a burqa, but I think for me personally, trying to add to to a show's appeal by adding sexy hurts more than it helps. Having said that, Jim really ought to spice up The Jimquisition, maybe with a nice Chippendale costume :p

Anyway, what's your opinion on female video game show hosts who flirt it up for the camera?

*EDIT* Just for clarification, I'm talking about non-professional shows on the internet and I'm assuming the host is dressing and behaving how she wants to and isn't being told what to do by someone else.
 

RickyChinese

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I don't really watch video game stuff so I'm going to have to take your word for it, I guess, but I think this is more an indictment of our broader society and where nerd culture fits into it than it is these women. They don't make these creative decisions in a vacuum.
 

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I've seen a few Gamer shows and they all suck because the hosts aim to entertain the lowest brows of the gamer population. The male hosts are all "Bros" and the female hosts are all flirty. The weird thing is that they don't seem to be very comfortable in these roles so the whole thing comes off as an obvious charade.

I don't think the problem is the flirtatiousness. I think its the design of the shows themselves: Appeal to nerds using stupid stereotypes.
 

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Kinda dumb and pointless really. I'd probably have watched more Lisa Foiles or whatever if I wasn't concerned someone was going to walk into the room and think I'd only clicked onto it because I wanted some game related softcore.

That being said, it's the same as regular tv shows. The content is usually pretty crap so the people presenting either have to look pretty or stylish.
 

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Personally I'm a little unsure. There are two sides to this and geniuenly don't know who I would ultimately choose to side with in the end.

I mean I don't want to slut shame, if a pretty young woman is comfortable with her prettiness and has a kind of flirty personality, more power to her. If it's who she is and she likes doing it go for it then fine. I mean hell it's not exactly easy being a good looking woman in gaming presses precisely because of the stereotype of you just using your looks to seduce us gullible men, I mean that whole incident with Jade Raymond of Assassin's Creed instantly being accused of being a 'booth babe' and only hired for her looks just because she was a woman who just so happened to be reasonably attractive that obviously meant she did no real work whatsoever. If it were a James Raymond you know as well as I do there would be no equivalent backlash, certainly not that vile cartoon drawn up of her by some repulsive misogynist prick.
Fuck I still get a mixture of anger and amazement when I see people angrily accuse Anita Sarkeesian of 'dolling herself up for the boys'. I mean for fuck's sake people really will find any excuse at this point but still my god, she puts on a little bit of eye liner and a little bit (a tiny amount) of lipstick before going before the camera and this is 'dolling herself up?' Couldn't just be to look presentable for the camera, couldn't just be that I dunno she likes to look nice but I really just can't believe a reasonably good looking woman who uses a little bit of makeup before going on camera is being 'dolled up' now.
Fuck, go away Emma Stone:
Apparently THIS is what glamour looks like:

Yeah you fashion guru, you WEAR that checkered shirt! It was specially imported from a top range boutique in France. Fucking hell...
It's just amazing watching video game players on forums leap to defend the rights of CONSTRUCTED FICTIONAL CHARACTERS with NO REAL AGENCY of their own to 'choose' to dress in outfits too revealing to even be called underwear, THEN spin around and vilify ACTUAL people who have ACTUAL agency over how they choose to dress. Truly amazing to behold.

But then on the other side of the coin is the other issue, namely the idea that what message people like Lisa Foiles or Jessica Chobot or any other 'hot' girl journalists or media personalities may accidentally be sending to the female audience even if they don't mean to. Namely that if you want to fit in with the gaming crowd (or any mainstream media crowd) you HAVE to be like this. You HAVE to be gorgeous, that is the textbook standard. IF you are even slightly overweight you are out, if you look older than just turned 21 you are out and if you have any 'unusual features' go to hell you monstrosity. Likewise if you are attractive you HAVE to flaunt it, you have to wear cleavage revealing tops, you have to pose provocatively, you have to put endless amounts of effort into your appearance and likewise you have to be flirty and sexy to your male audience. Because you are female your media personality is 'the hot one', that's all you get to be and you aren't allowed to object to raunchy comments directed at you, you HAVE TO LIKE IT. And you had better start objectifying other women too even if you aren't into that kind of thing not because it benefits you but because YOU ARE REQUIRED TO DO IT BECAUSE ITS HOT and the only way to be accepted is to be HOT. We all know the stereotype of girls who will make flirtatious comments about other women and talking about how much they 'love boobs' and will make out with each other at parties and while doubtlessly there ARE women who genuienly like these things I wouldn't be surprised if a reasonable amount of that is in fact social pressure after years of media personalities like this (and every female character HAVING to be sexy no matter what) the message has just been sent saying 'this is the only way you will be accepted'.
I mean hell we see the flipside of this in gaming culture, it may sometimes be bad for you if you're pretty but heaven fucking help you if you are overweight, older or have less than conventional features. I saw a lot of the harassment of Jennifer Hepler for example and the majority of it were really vile fat jokes. That's the cross road girls gamers seem to get, too pretty and your a slut, anything less and you're an ugly cow.
But no of course there's no sexism issues in games none whatsoever.

So right now it's kind of a crossroad and both ends lead to someone losing. The best I could say is that I wouldn't want people like Lisa Foiles or Chobot or any number of other pretty flirty faces to vanish from gaming media, but I also don't think it's fair for that to be the sole representation either. However there is one person I can think of on the interwebs who does it perfectly and is a great spokesperson for how the female gender could be represented in future 'geek media' (and yes I am a manly manly manly man and therefore my maleness might make me not the best spokesman so you can perhaps take this with a grain of salt as there are some thing women are better at discussing than men and perhaps this could be a case of that)
Lindsay Ellis, a.k.a the Nostaliga Chick:


Now sure Lindsay is a good looking woman, a very good looking woman. Hell given enough makeup she can downright look radiant. But she also defies the trap that Foiles and Chobot have fallen into for several reasons:
1: Her persona is not entirely based around 'look how sexy I am'. She is funny, she is very informative. When I watch her videos I laugh and feel informed at the same time, she knows her stuff and has a dry cool wit and unlike other female media personalities I never get a sense of 'look how quirky and adorable I am'. She is quirky and has an adorable charm about her but it comes across more like that's just her rather than a show for the cameras, no more than Doug Walker with his little eccentricities during his 'Nostalgia Critic' reviews. Unlike other 'quirky girls' who are blatantly trying to portray the ideal nerd girlfriend Lindsay really does feel like a 'by women for women' sort of a thing.
2: She doesn't look sexy all the time. Like I said sometimes she can be gorgeous, in the Nostalgia Critic Moulin Rouge review for example or the Show Girls one or recently in her Addams Family review. But she can also just look normal, dressing in normal clothes with the bare minimum of makeup put on. Hell a lot of the time she doesn't even bother with that, sometimes she looks like she just got out of bed and it's laundry day and do you know what that takes from her persona? NOTHING. She's still funny and she's still informative and has a likeable presence. Hell she's so adverse to the stereotype of girl reviewer must look sexy that in her Charlies Angels review she actually spent the whole thing in a 'Burka' (was actually something else, Nella mentioned... more on her in a moment). So the message this sends when she does don attractive clothing is not 'I have to be sexy or the boys won't like me' but rather 'Yeah I like to get dressed up sometimes, deal with it'. This is the message I'd like to see sent, there is nothing wrong with being sexy but you don't HAVE to dress yourself up if you don't want to.
3: Nella. Her most prominent right hand woman in her videos is Nella, who is overweight, wears glasses and is not unattractive so much as just unconventional and her being there and being funny as hell and likeable as hell sends the message that THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. That 'sexy' is not the ONE thing a woman can bring to the table and that in turn there is more than one way to BE sexy.

That's just one example of a female persona I really like and why exactly that is and I think that Lindsay represents how an ideal female host should be. Be normal, don't be super sexy and upfront all the time and don't be afraid to have some variety in the types of women represented. You can still have sexy flirty ladies, don't think I'm against that. I know there are women who geniuenly are that flirty and hell I'd defend Sasha Grey's right to be as flirtatious and raunchy as she damn well pleases and express herself sexually in any way she pleases (provided it stays strictly legal) and would angrily speak out against people trying to use that fact as a reason to vilify her. A woman can be sexy or flirty as much as she pleases, if Natalie Portman or Eliza Dushku want to pose nude and are comforable doing it, more power to them. If Anne Hathaway wants to go topless in a movie and rub against Jake Gyllenhal's muscles fuck she was Catwoman and the best singer in Les Mis, she can do that to her heart's content and I think no less of her for doing so.
There is nothing wrong with a woman who wants to be sexy and a man who finds her sexy because of it or the reverse. This is a thing that happens in the world and it is perfectly natural.
However when I see female characters reduced to objectified pieces of meat to be oggled over or hear a story about some conference where the women left in disgust because some idiot didn't even think it was worth asking if they were comfortable having strippers running around, when I find out that certain actresses did nude scenes because they were contractually obliged to and not because they wanted to and when I see time and time again the reinforced image that the only place for a woman be it in media real or fiction is if she's sexy I get angry.

There's nothing wrong with sexy women, the problem is that there is no real alternative. We need more female media personalities and lead characters who break the established mold and can say to women as a whole that their appearance is not an issue and no matter what they look like or their sexual appetite they are people and are accepted as such.

...Wow this post went on too long. Back to homework now.
 

Smeatza

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I've never seen any.
The only female video game host I've regularly watched is the lady who does the interviews for the League of Legends LCS.
And she's usually way too busy trying to make her interviewee's act more like human beings and less like rabbits in headlights to spend any time being flirty.
 

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Simply put, I listen to what she says. If her talking is plesant and informative, i will listen and looking at attractive female is a bonus. If I dislike or she is unpleasant, I'm off to something different. Don't really care who or what she is. As long as info is good and delivered properly I don't care who she is and what she does. i't not like news speakers are world class potitic buffs.
 

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FireAza said:
Yeah, it's another "women and video games" topic, so sue me!
You'll be hearing from my attorneys soon, but I'll settle out of court right now for $10,000. :3

As for the topic at hand...
If you know your stuff, are a top-notch host AND you're also smokin' that's win freakin' win right there.
I think that's a big part of it right there. I still don't understand why people think that lovely ladies shouldn't also be show-offs. If they're confident in their ability to talk with gamers and know what they're talking about, why can't they also be confident enough in their good looks to show it off? Is there something WRONG with a girl that knows she's hot and wants to display herself as such? Her choice of clothing (or lack there-of) is just that: her choice. If you can clearly tell that she knows what she's talking about and isn't, for instance, just doing this:

1) "Is she using her charms are a crutch because she's not confident in in the quality of her work?"
Then what's so bad about her showing us some eye-candy while she's at it? Not to mention...
2) "Does she think I'll watch her show just because she's showing some skin? Does she think I'm some stupid fourteen year old boy?"
While YOU might not be some horny 14 year old boy, there's plenty of horny 14 year old boys out there. A lot of game commentators post their videos on youtube where your only worth is how many views you can get. And like it or not: sex sells. As such the good ones likely use a bit of cleavage to sucker people in and then impress them with the fact that "Well damn...she actually makes some good points about why FFIX is an extremely overrated game. I never thought of it like that." If they're good at what they do, the sweater-cows quickly drop out of being the focus of your attention, suddenly you're paying more attention to what she says rather than what she's wearing. And if she's still making good points but you're drawn to the pillowy valley on her chest, well then I'd argue that the problem lies with the viewer, not the hostess.

My point is that you don't have to dress like a nun in order to be taken seriously. If you know what you're talking about, mature gamers who are honestly interested in your opinion won't even pay attention to how you look but rather they'll pay attention to what you have to say while the "immature/horny 14 year old boys" will just keep going there for the eye-candy. Either way: they're getting the views they need to thrive of youtube.

Having said that, Jim really ought to spice up The Jimquisition, maybe with a nice Chippendale costume :p
What, backing up to a door with a dragon-cock dildo attached to it while playing the Duck Tales themesong isn't saucy enough for you? :p
 

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I use to worry about it, as I was always concerned about the feeling that I was being pandered too and the assumption that because I'm male I can't focus on anything without being slightly aroused, and how that may be seen to reflect on me as a person. As Dara O?Brien put it "something for the dads" or lads in general in this case.


However I realised I don't watch gaming related stuff for a pretty face and some cleavage, I watch it to be either informed or entertained because I have an interested in the topic. If the host is an attractive female, which I as a man I will likely find it visually appealing, I'm not going to continue watching if the content is boring or of no interest to me just because the host is attractive. To put in bluntly if I wanted to watch an attractive female on the internet but didn't really care about anything beyond her looks my first point of call is unlikely going to be a gaming related show.
 

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There's a difference between someone like Morgan Webb and Olivia Munn. Mainly, I enjoy listening to the one who knows what she's talking about, and which one was only there to make glib comments with Kevin Pereira
 

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Vrex360: Lindsey is geek hot, which is why she's able to sell it. She has that look that many geeky girls have, only a sexier version of it :p

RJ 17 said:
Then what's so bad about her showing us some eye-candy while she's at it?
Like I said, these are gut reactions. Male hosts obviously can't relay on sexiness (Jim aside), only the quality of their show. When the first thing I see in a video game video is a high boob to shirt ratio, my first thought is a sarcastic "oh boy, this is going to be quality programming."


RJ 17 said:
While YOU might not be some horny 14 year old boy, there's plenty of horny 14 year old boys out there. A lot of game commentators post their videos on youtube where your only worth is how many views you can get. And like it or not: sex sells. As such the good ones likely use a bit of cleavage to sucker people in and then impress them with the fact that "Well damn...she actually makes some good points about why FFIX is an extremely overrated game. I never thought of it like that." If they're good at what they do, the sweater-cows quickly drop out of being the focus of your attention, suddenly you're paying more attention to what she says rather than what she's wearing. And if she's still making good points but you're drawn to the pillowy valley on her chest, well then I'd argue that the problem lies with the viewer, not the hostess.
That's exactly it, it should be the other way around! You should come for the quality programming, but stay for the ta-tas. Maybe they could start the video out in a sweater than change to a string bikini halfway through.

RJ 17 said:
What, backing up to a door with a dragon-cock dildo attached to it while playing the Duck Tales themesong isn't saucy enough for you? :p
No!
 

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FireAza said:
Yeah, it's another "women and video games" topic, so sue me!

Anyway, it's probably news to no one that both dudes and woman host video game shows on the internet. A few of the female hosts though, seem to be trying using their gender to their advantage. Counting on the idea that the majority of people who are watching video game shows are male, they get "flirty" i.e they wear lot-cut tops and are all made up. Even our very own Lisa Foiles blows a kiss to the viewer at the end of her videos.
You seem to imply that this type of behaviour is exclusive to video game hosts? EVERY female host of any type of show is sexy and flirty to some degree or other. Hell there is an entire channel where they do the news, and all the women are naked. This...really isn't a gamer/geek thing, it's just a simple fact. "Sex sells" Every type of media/entertainment industry knows this, and so they always put attractive people in front of the camera. You don't see people with bad acne, missing teeth, or terrible hair on the news, or other forms of media. You see someone reasonably attractive and pretty.

FireAza said:
Now don't get me wrong, I don't mean this in a "woman are taking advantage of us men by cheating their way to success using their feminine whiles!", since I would expect most of us guys don't have the brain of a horny chimpanzee. But since the configuration of your genitals doesn't impact how good of a video game show host you can be, this gets me to wondering: why do some female hosts feel the need to flirt with the camera?
No it doesn't impact my likelihood of buying a game, it DOES impact whether or not I might keep watching the show. If you have 2 shows, with 2 hosts of equal intelligence/humor/talent, but one I find more sexually appealing than the other, I'm probably more inclined to keep watching that show. All things being equal, it's more likely I will want to watch the pretty lady with the nice boobs, compared to equally qualified Other Person. Which for the show means, increased ratings. So for them, it's a logical decision to have an attractive host who is a bit flirty.


FireAza said:
Now, I don't think that the girls who do this are "fake gamer girls" who don't know what they're talking about and are just doing it for the attention. Lisa clearly knows what she's talking about, and she has great on-camera charisma. I've actually yet to see a female video game show host who clearly has no idea what she's talking about. If you know your stuff, are a top-notch host AND you're also smokin' that's win freakin' win right there.
I think you've kind of answered your own question here. She's intelligent, knowledgeable, AND hot, why not show off the hot? It's a part of who she is, why should she subdue it or conceal it? She's showing off the intelligent, funny, smart, it just happens to be in an attractive package. And by definition, being "attractive" means you attract attention. And tv shows are ALL about attracting your attention.


FireAza said:
But when I see a new female host who is all dolled up on front of the camera, with her funbags trying to make a break for freedom, a few assumptions inadvertently come to mind and none of them positive:
1) "Is she using her charms are a crutch because she's not confident in in the quality of her work?"
Who knows? But the "funbags making a break for freedom" probably caught your eye in the various images on the webpage. Mission accomplish, you took notice and will possibly click to watch the show. The funbags have been deployed to effective use.

FireAza said:
2) "Does she think I'll watch her show just because she's showing some skin? Does she think I'm some stupid fourteen year old boy?"
I doubt SHE is the one calling those shots. The host is usually taking direction from the show executives and producers. So the more accurate statement would be "Does the executive think I'll watch her show just because she's showing some skin?" The answer: Maybe, he/she does know that sex sells, so you are MORE likely to watch the show, or at least click on it to investigate further, if you see a visually appealing person on the link.



FireAza said:
Anyway, what's your opinion on female video game show hosts who flirt it up for the camera?
I don't mind at all. I like pretty women, I enjoy looking at them. I'm not going to watch a show ONLY because of a pretty woman in it, but I'm not going to complain if the host of a show also happens to be a woman I find sexually appealing.

To give you a counter example, I find the Nostalgia Chick fairly attractive, but I don't really find her SHOW all that compelling, so I don't watch it. Same for Obscurus Lupa, who I think is pretty, but I just can't stand her voice. So...yeah, a pretty, flirty woman isn't enough to make a show, but it doesn't hurt to have a pretty host.
 

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RickyChinese said:
I don't really watch video game stuff so I'm going to have to take your word for it, I guess, but I think this is more an indictment of our broader society and where nerd culture fits into it than it is these women. They don't make these creative decisions in a vacuum.
I agree. It's the society we live in. look at any news show and talk to me about the weather girl/female co-anchor. Is she wearing more or less clothes than her male counterpart? Can we see more of her skin?

A lot of modern fashion tends to be fairly revealing of one's body type for both sexes (god damn you skinny jeans!!!) anyway.


so....meh. A bit of a non-issue I feel.
 

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I can't stand them, but I can't stand "flirty" hosts of anything.

Or really show hosts in general.

It's basically like they're trying to say the show isn't worth watching.
So the producers put this inoffensively attractive buffer in between the audience and the content and when the host is flirty or super hot it's like they're saying the show REALLY isn't worth watching on it's own so tune in for the titillation mother fuckers.

I still remember when G4... Hell I still remember when G4 was TechTV, but I remember when G4 fired all the non attractive people, that was when I stopped watching.
 

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"Flirty" is usually an attempt to cover up a lack of good material.

Flirty + Good Material = Fine.
Flirty + Bad Material = Stop watching.
 

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I don't know, let's flip a coin. If it's heads, I'll react with "These women are just trying to weasel their way into the industry by treating men like they're all horndogs" and if it's tails I'll react with "These women are being exploited by the sexism that's everywhere".

Whaddya know, it landed on its side. Fuck it, I'm gonna go eat some Cocoa Puffs.
 

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I'm fine with sexy, flirty female hosts. I'm a healthy straight male, so naturally I enjoy watching a beautiful woman.

But only if that is not the only thing they have to offer. There's gotta be some substance too.