When the Sequel is worse than the original

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Ninja-Jordan

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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/pixels-and-bits/14307-The-Sophomore-Slump-in-Video-Gaming-Mario-Castlevania-and-Zelda-

So the Escapist is running this article, and frankly it's a giant load of shit. Not one of these sequels is actually worse than the original, they're just different (although honestly, in what world are people saying Mario 2 was an worse than Mario 1? Realistically they're about on the same level)

But I really hate this shit. Simon's Quest isn't a bad sequel, it's an ungraceful sequel. Sure it was cryptic, but a lot of games were back then. They were called "Nintendo Power" games, they were games you needed a subscription to Nintendo Power to figure out all the secrets (remember these games are from a time before the internet). No one gives shit to the first Zelda for being overly cryptic. Honestly, I played that game without a walkthrough when I was 17 years old and I couldn't figure out shit. No but because the AVGN rattled on and on about how bad it was, everyone accepts it as an inferior game. Honestly, I would welcome a modernized version of Castlevania 2. Symphony of the Night's did the same god damn thing, y'all love it so much.

As for Zelda 2, it's the same thing. It was different, but it was by no means bad. Honestly, I don't see why they don't revisit that style of gameplay. Give Link his basic controls from smash, dungeon crawling, basic RPG elements, that would be pretty dope. But no, because it was kind of cryptic and hard everyone just writes it off like it's a bad game.

And who thinks Mario 2 was a bad sequel? First of all, remember back when that came out. We had no idea the lost levels was even a thing, for all we knew as kids Mario 2 was a direct sequel to Mario. Secondly, Mario 2 was amazing! It was weird and different, it introduced many of the characters that would become Mario canon like Birdo, the Ninji, and Shy Guys. It's boss fights were more interesting and harder to complete than just running past Bowser. I won't deny Mario 3 was superior, but in no way was Mario 2 inferior to Mario 1.

Seriously, not only does this article suck from a written point of view, it's completely wrong. What do you guys think?
 

tippy2k2

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I fully agree with the article.

Note: I did not play Castlevania so I guess I 66% agree with the article and 33% abstain from voting

I thought Zelda 2 was all kinds of awful. A very bad side scrolling slasher that made zero sense. Maybe if adult-tippy2k2 played it he'd understand it better but kid-tippy2k2 barely got to do anything in the game because he couldn't figure out what the hell was going on or what he was supposed to be doing.

Mario 2 wasn't a bad game but I'd be hard pressed to call it better then Mario 1. It was far easier and didn't really make any sense until later when we were all told that this was a different game with Mario copy/pasted in. It's not a bad game but if I had to choose to play any old school Mario game, 2 would be at the very bottom of the list.
 

Phoenixmgs_v1legacy

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I can't really comment on Castlevania and Zelda as I never played much of either series. But Mario 2 is fucking awesome, way better than Mario 1.

I don't know if gaming really has that sophomore slump as most game series really aren't about story so you really can't mess that up for the most part. Sequels are mainly about refining mechanics so the mechanics are almost always better in a sequel making for a better game. I really can't see how gaming would even have a sophomore slump due to the nature of the medium, I'm sure there are worse sequels but it's not going to be a trend or commonplace. Gaming has freshman slumps (as mechanics aren't quite refined yet) and senior slumps (basically when the franchise is milked and devs don't even care anymore, just like seniors).
 

Aerosteam

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People not liking change probably has a lot to do with it. For the majority of people who first played Zelda 2 back then were like "whoa this is different" when they were expecting something very close to the original.

I can't really speak for those old Zelda and Castlevania games since I never played them, but yeah, Mario 2 is WAY better than the first.
 

tstorm823

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I mean, it is just saying "worse than original," rather than "bad." I think it's general consensus that Zelda 2 and Castlevania 2 lose out to their predecessors. If we think of it in terms of "if these weren't sequels, would the franchises have caught on?", I would go with probably not.

Mario 2 is awesome though. (Both of them.) That franchise did nothing but improve throughout the 8-bit era.
 

Elfgore

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It would be best to discuss any disagreements with the article, in the article itself [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.878398-When-the-Sequel-Is-Worse-Than-the-Original]. No need to create a forum topic about it.