Whenever I say how I feel, I get silenced. Should I always keep to myself?

[Nature Guardian]

My life is made of keeping well silent about my views and opinions.

Both in real life and on the internet, whenever I say what I think and feel I get hate and I am forced to be silent about it.

Ironically, when I DON'T express how I really feel, people always say I am so sociable and pleasant.

I do wonder if something is wrong with me.

Am I the worst human being ever, with the worst opinions ever, so that what I feel cannot be accepted by others?

Am I a textbook sociopath, who, by definition, is a pleasant person only when they pretend to be someone else (and they pretend it quite well)?

Is it better to try to say what I really think or feel, or should I keep putting on a facade of views and opinions that are considered more acceptable - even if they are a lie to me?

 

[Frezzato]

Eh, it's hard to say this but I'm going to anyway:

Nothing said on the forums here matters. And despite the sales numbers that people like to spew every so often, video games don't matter. Or anime, or...whatever. There is so much more going on in the world that we should be worrying about and discussing (which we DO have access to), but this place provides a nice respite.

That being said, you have to remember how much the world has changed in the past few years. Twitch is a thing. Streaming gameplay is a thing. It can make money. I hate social media but I'm still capable of understanding this.

I think you simply lack empathy at this point. That or you need to go out and see what it's like in the real world. Hint: things are not going well. It's easy to assume that making money is easy, especially if you spend a lot of time on this site. A lot of people here are still in school or at the very least are gainfully employed. Think about it. You need the requisite device to come here and you also need the free time to post.

But it's not so rosy for all of us. I can understand why Brian Vigneault was trying to make it in the world of Twitch. He had three young kids. It's easy enough to say that he could have gone and "got a real job" or what have you, but he was trying an alternative method to support his family, and there's nothing wrong with that. Shit's rough out here.

 

[Nature Guardian]

I think you simply lack empathy at this point. That or you need to go out and see what it's like in the real world. Hint: things are not going well.

Actually it all comes down to this.

When you see the world, the real world, going down to Hell in a kind of second medieval era, when you go on the internet to relax only to find out some asshat makes money by saying offensive stuff to an underage audience you feel the last straw that makes you angry.

If things weren't so horrible in the real world, I could tolerate certain internet things and internet culture much more. But, as I said in another thread, the internet culture (Twitch streamers, Youtube personalities) is not the problem but the symptom.

You assume seeing real problems makes internet problems seem irrelevant; I see the opposite - when I deal with real problems I have no patience left for the internet.

 

[Catnip1024]

Eh, this is the internet. Nobody can silence you on the internet. Except mods. If people are being arses about what you say, ignore them. Or be an arse back - this is the internet, after all.

IRL, if it's politics, it's often not worth discussing with friends / in the office if it causes conflict. If it's actual stuff that matters, it's worth standing your ground on. Focus on the stuff worth arguing over that you can actually do something about, rather than subjects that no-one has any influence on that makes the whole discussion irrelevant.

That said, I'm British and hence don't do this whole showing feelings thing.

 

[Frezzato]

I think you simply lack empathy at this point. That or you need to go out and see what it's like in the real world. Hint: things are not going well.

Actually it all comes down to this.

When you see the world, the real world, going down to Hell in a kind of second medieval era, when you go on the internet to relax only to find out some asshat makes money by saying offensive stuff to an underage audience you feel the last straw that makes you angry.

If things weren't so horrible in the real world, I could tolerate certain internet things and internet culture much more. But, as I said in another thread, the internet culture (Twitch streamers, Youtube personalities) is not the problem but the symptom.

You assume seeing real problems makes internet problems seem irrelevant; I see the opposite - when I deal with real problems I have no patience left for the internet.

Considering the title of this thread, you will get silenced if you keep flying off the handle.

You're claiming that Twitch users are offensive, and you express that by saying something offensive and disturbing. Do you see the irony in that?


If you really think that inappropriate content is being spread via Twitch, just how do you think your views of wishing for death to rain down affects kids? Do you think that by not saying 'fuck' a thousand times that your viewpoint is any less distressing? There are plenty of underage users on these forums, too you know.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but you see some sort of problem with internet content and you don't realize that you're contributing to that problem. There is a right way to express your opinion here and a wrong way. And you jumped headfirst into the wrong way. This is why we have mods, and I'm grateful for them.

 

[Nature Guardian]

Considering the title of this thread, you will get silenced if you keep flying off the handle.

You're claiming that Twitch users are offensive, and you express that by saying something offensive and disturbing. Do you see the irony in that?


If you really think that inappropriate content is being spread via Twitch, just how do you think your views of wishing for death to rain down affects kids? Do you think that by not saying 'fuck' a thousand times that your viewpoint is any less distressing? There are plenty of underage users on these forums, too you know.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but you see some sort of problem with internet content and you don't realize that you're contributing to that problem. There is a right way to express your opinion here and a wrong way. And you jumped headfirst into the wrong way. This is why we have mods, and I'm grateful for them.

Ok, let's pick this as an example.

I imagine if someone came here spouting rape jokes and antisemitic jokes, with the sidedish of a lot of foul language, the moderation would intervene.

Pewdiepie has millions of viewers and millions of money for doing just that.

My question is - where is the difference between "I wish World War 3 would happen" and "Kill all jews, and also, rape is fun, you f***tards"?

I want to make it clear that I am NOT looking to argue with mods here, it's a genuine question about something I might be missing.

 

[Frezzato]

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Considering the title of this thread, you will get silenced if you keep flying off the handle.

You're claiming that Twitch users are offensive, and you express that by saying something offensive and disturbing. Do you see the irony in that?


If you really think that inappropriate content is being spread via Twitch, just how do you think your views of wishing for death to rain down affects kids? Do you think that by not saying 'fuck' a thousand times that your viewpoint is any less distressing? There are plenty of underage users on these forums, too you know.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but you see some sort of problem with internet content and you don't realize that you're contributing to that problem. There is a right way to express your opinion here and a wrong way. And you jumped headfirst into the wrong way. This is why we have mods, and I'm grateful for them.

Ok, let's pick this as an example.

I imagine if someone came here spouting rape jokes and antisemitic jokes, with the sidedish of a lot of foul language, the moderation would intervene.

Pewdiepie has millions of viewers and millions of money for doing just that.

My question is - where is the difference between "I wish World War 3 would happen" and "Kill all jews, and also, rape is fun, you f***tards"?

I want to make it clear that I am NOT looking to argue with mods here, it's a genuine question about something I might be missing.

On this site, there is no difference between what you said and what that asshat said. You don't realize that there's a lot of people here that don't like He-who-shall-remain-nameless and don't want to give him more traffic. I can't fucking STAND him, but it's easy for me to get over it because I don't have to watch his stupid videos.

But we're not talking about Voldemort here, are we? We were talking about a father of three who was trying to raise money for the Make A Wish Foundation and died doing it. And your immediate response was something along the lines of "kill everyone and start over".

Listen, it's their site, their rules. If you want looser restrictions, go to Twitter. To paraphrase comedian Jackie Kashian, "You are not the hero of this story".

 

[Saelune]

I dunno. Some of your views I find very fair and just and well, good. Others you have expressed I have found hostile and extreme.

However many would say the same of me.

I would just say to consider why you think the opinions you have and how good or bad they are, why people disagree with you, why people agree with you.

My own measurement for morality is "Does it hurt anyone else" and "Does that person's happiness come at the expense of anothers'?".

And no, not all opinions are ok or worth considering, but you have to be able to figure out why. And if you cant test your views against others, how can you be sure of them?

I dont think you're a sociopath, because other things you have said have shown compassion for others. You just havent sorted through everything yet. I used to be more hostile to Christians for example, but have certainly eased up. Not because I dont still despise religion, but because I have seen enough Christians use their faith for good.

A real sociopath pretends to not be deranged. That you even acknowledge this issue suggests you arent. I wont coddle you to the point of saying all your views are fair, but I think you have the ability to figure out what opinions you have that need to adjust or be removed, and what opinions and views are beneficial to the world.

Let your views be challenged and grow from it.

 

[Nature Guardian]

Hey, Selune. I wanted to thank you for your comment.

My own measurement for morality is "Does it hurt anyone else" and "Does that person's happiness come at the expense of anothers'?".

While that's the indicator of a good moral compass.... here's the thing: if a person or an animal is suffering, is euthanasia evil because you are actually hurting them?

I'll make it even simpler - you can't live without hurting others, unless you're a very strict vegan who recycles a lot, never uses a car and tries to buy less things than possible and always check every single product they buy.

It's complicated, but what I feel is that humanity sucks. The videogame Bioshock comes to my mind, because there's a concept in it that always impressed me for how true it is: humanity evolves and develops through the work of few intelligent and good people that allow the stupid and evil masses to thrive and prosper.

 

[Saelune]

Hey, Selune. I wanted to thank you for your comment.

My own measurement for morality is "Does it hurt anyone else" and "Does that person's happiness come at the expense of anothers'?".

While that's the indicator of a good moral compass.... here's the thing: if a person or an animal is suffering, is euthanasia evil because you are actually hurting them?

I'll make it even simpler - you can't live without hurting others, unless you're a very strict vegan who recycles a lot, never uses a car and tries to buy less things than possible and always check every single product they buy.

It's complicated, but what I feel is that humanity sucks. The videogame Bioshock comes to my mind, because there's a concept in it that always impressed me for how true it is: humanity evolves and develops through the work of few intelligent and good people that allow the stupid and evil masses to thrive and prosper.

I am pro-assisted suicide, so I think that answers the question. Plus, well, carnivores are natural. I am no vegan. So sure, I am ok with slaughter-houses and livestock. But I dont want them to suffer. I am against eating veil. I am against torturing cows and chickens all the way to the plate. I want them to live as good a life as they can and killed as painless as possible.

And I wouldnt hold it against a bear morally, for eating me.

You cannot succumb to apathy and nihilism, a point I made in the topic about Idealists. I know I often wish I could not care and just say fuck everyone, and I do believe at this point most people are bad rather than good. But I try to remember that many people are good, and need other good people to help them and care about them.

It is what keeps me from not caring at all anymore.

 

[Nature Guardian]

I am pro-assisted suicide, so I think that answers the question. Plus, well, carnivores are natural. I am no vegan. So sure, I am ok with slaughter-houses and livestock. But I dont want them to suffer. I am against eating veil. I am against torturing cows and chickens all the way to the plate. I want them to live as good a life as they can and killed as painless as possible.

And I wouldnt hold it against a bear morally, for eating me.

You cannot succumb to apathy and nihilism, a point I made in the topic about Idealists. I know I often wish I could not care and just say fuck everyone, and I do believe at this point most people are bad rather than good. But I try to remember that many people are good, and need other good people to help them and care about them.

It is what keeps me from not caring at all anymore.

I basically reached the breaking point sometime ago, and now my view is: yes, some people are good people..... 30% of human beings, roughly. The remaining 70% are awful, awful people. Instead of helping the 30% and thus allowing the 70% to prosper, I'd rather the whole 100% going down forever.

It's a simple matter of percentage. If only it were at least 50%-50%, it'd be better.

But 30%-70%? Fuck humanity is how I feel, even if it means that 30% has to suffer too (as long as the 70% goes down as well).

It's euthanasia. The world is suffering too much, I want to put it down rather than to keep watching this pain without escape.

And, well, the moderation doesn't like to hear this opinion, so I guess that's the final time I dare to mention it in this forum. I hope they can let it slide and not punish me for speaking my view, although I wish I could discuss this.

 

[Saelune]

I am pro-assisted suicide, so I think that answers the question. Plus, well, carnivores are natural. I am no vegan. So sure, I am ok with slaughter-houses and livestock. But I dont want them to suffer. I am against eating veil. I am against torturing cows and chickens all the way to the plate. I want them to live as good a life as they can and killed as painless as possible.

And I wouldnt hold it against a bear morally, for eating me.

You cannot succumb to apathy and nihilism, a point I made in the topic about Idealists. I know I often wish I could not care and just say fuck everyone, and I do believe at this point most people are bad rather than good. But I try to remember that many people are good, and need other good people to help them and care about them.

It is what keeps me from not caring at all anymore.

I basically reached the breaking point sometime ago, and now my view is: yes, some people are good people..... 30% of human beings, roughly. The remaining 70% are awful, awful people. Instead of helping the 30% and thus allowing the 70% to prosper, I'd rather the whole 100% going down forever.

It's a simple matter of percentage. If only it were at least 50%-50%, it'd be better.

But 30%-70%? Fuck humanity is how I feel, even if it means that 30% has to suffer too (as long as the 70% goes down as well).

It's euthanasia. The world is suffering too much, I want to put it down rather than to keep watching this pain without escape.

And, well, the moderation doesn't like to hear this opinion, so I guess that's the final time I dare to mention it in this forum. I hope they can let it slide and not punish me for speaking my view, although I wish I could discuss this.

I'd rather spare the guilty than punish the innocent.