Where things really that bad for DnD players in the 80s and 90s?

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Were things really that bad for DnD players in the 80s and 90s? Did entire schools ban DnD? Would people refuse to associate with you if they found out you played DnD? Were DnD players terrorized by high school and college students back then or are those wild stories?
 

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No. I was terrorized for being queer. Until I acquainted one of my torturers with a cricket bat. When the school tried to shift the blame to me I threatened to go to the departmrnt about the evidence of teachers and the principal had ignored the three times I got sent to the nurse's office.

And people say violence solves nothing.
 

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Eh, there was the usual clique sort of stuff, but honestly the people who wouldn't associate with us D&D players weren't going to associate with us nerds anyway. I think it depended a lot on where you were, though. Particularly religious communities took the accusations of devil worship rather more seriously than where I grew up.
 

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It was way rougher than the videogame moral panic ever was. Specific videogames were banned in a country here and there, there was a lot of talk and scaremongering around Mortal Kombat and GTA: SA, and Mass Effect that all boiled down to pretty much nothing. The D&D scare, especially in places like Pyrian alluded to where I lived in the bible belt, had real effects. The house where we held gaming sessions in high school, cops would sit at either end of the block and pull us over as we left when the sessions ended. I'm not sure what they thought they would find. I was the group's "good kid" the one with good grades who got along with the popular kids and never got in trouble in school or with the law, and people in the community constantly asked me about "hanging out with those devil kids." It had my mom legitimately worried I was going to hell for playing a game. One time we played at a cabin on a river one of the guys dad owned. We were interrupted by county sheriff's officers with a "noise complaint." There were no houses within 3 miles of that cabin... While one officer was questioning us, another took a stick and was poking through the embers of our campfire. Like he was seriously looking for evidence of a burnt offering or sacrifice or something. Even years later (this would be in the last 10 years or so) one of the guys operated a diner in town that got shut down for building code violation (legitimate, part of the roof was collapsing due to a nearby sinkhole.) He was renting the building, and the building owner's insurance company was battling the insurance company of the sinkhole landowner and the building owner and my friend agreed he should just take everything out of the building and leave. We all came back to town to help him move his stuff, and to repay us we had a blowout party... taking and cooking all the restaurant food on the restaurant kitchen equipment. It was pretty fun. And of course for old times sake we brought some D&D stuff and played a game. And for old times sake, the cops came by had a look around. Checked us all out, searched our cars, dug through the kitchen and trash we had been gathering...

Yeah, the D&D moral panic was considerably rougher than the videogame moral panic. Mixed with the boredom of cops in small towns of a couple thousand or so the panic led to real harassment from the authorities. Hell, after that the school administration making sure that we all knew our gaming stuff was banned from campus seemed pretty tame. They were surprisingly cool about it, not applying the ban to if some of us wanted to borrow books from another and making the exchange at school. As long as we weren't playing D&D there they didn't seem to care. But I'm sure there were schools that were worse. At ours we were just over half of our top 5% GPA students and they didn't want to fail us or drag down test scores by messing with us.
 

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Dunno about the 80s. In quasi-rural Canada in the 90s, no one seemed to care about us playing D&D or VtM in the school cafeteria or at the coffee shop or library. I got more flak for having blue hair and wearing sunglasses indoors.

Funnily enough, we got asked to not play Euchre at the coffee shop, of all things.

That is the late 90s of course, it may have been different earlier.
 

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I played some of that White Wolf or whatever it was in the late 90s and no one cared. When I was younger, I got bullied because my parents were religious weirdos and because I was bad at/didn't follow sports or didn't have expensive clothes. But never anything gaming related. Hell, our high school had an anime club back then and I don't recall anyone even really noticing.
 

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Here down in the Bible Belt, when the JP murdered the DA, they actually attempted to claim he was "corrupted" by his D&D playing in High School. Yes, there are groups of people here who think that playing D&D turns you into a psycho murderer possessed by the devil.

I had discussed this already on here a few years back:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/528.866891-Why-are-they-bringing-up-Dungeons-and-Dragons?page=1

SO yea, this is actually a thing people seem to think here.
 

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Dungeons and Dragons is a far out game!

 

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Well, I think it is less DnD players specifically and more just, ya know, the treatment of 'nerds' when being a nerd was NOT mainstream.
 

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I find it creepy that as I checked this thread yesterday, a day later I get this video on youtube recommeneds:


Google you creepy ************.
 

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Kyrian007 said:
It was way rougher than the videogame moral panic ever was. Specific videogames were banned in a country here and there, there was a lot of talk and scaremongering around Mortal Kombat and GTA: SA, and Mass Effect that all boiled down to pretty much nothing. The D&D scare, especially in places like Pyrian alluded to where I lived in the bible belt, had real effects. The house where we held gaming sessions in high school, cops would sit at either end of the block and pull us over as we left when the sessions ended. I'm not sure what they thought they would find. I was the group's "good kid" the one with good grades who got along with the popular kids and never got in trouble in school or with the law, and people in the community constantly asked me about "hanging out with those devil kids." It had my mom legitimately worried I was going to hell for playing a game. One time we played at a cabin on a river one of the guys dad owned. We were interrupted by county sheriff's officers with a "noise complaint." There were no houses within 3 miles of that cabin... While one officer was questioning us, another took a stick and was poking through the embers of our campfire. Like he was seriously looking for evidence of a burnt offering or sacrifice or something. Even years later (this would be in the last 10 years or so) one of the guys operated a diner in town that got shut down for building code violation (legitimate, part of the roof was collapsing due to a nearby sinkhole.) He was renting the building, and the building owner's insurance company was battling the insurance company of the sinkhole landowner and the building owner and my friend agreed he should just take everything out of the building and leave. We all came back to town to help him move his stuff, and to repay us we had a blowout party... taking and cooking all the restaurant food on the restaurant kitchen equipment. It was pretty fun. And of course for old times sake we brought some D&D stuff and played a game. And for old times sake, the cops came by had a look around. Checked us all out, searched our cars, dug through the kitchen and trash we had been gathering...

Yeah, the D&D moral panic was considerably rougher than the videogame moral panic. Mixed with the boredom of cops in small towns of a couple thousand or so the panic led to real harassment from the authorities. Hell, after that the school administration making sure that we all knew our gaming stuff was banned from campus seemed pretty tame. They were surprisingly cool about it, not applying the ban to if some of us wanted to borrow books from another and making the exchange at school. As long as we weren't playing D&D there they didn't seem to care. But I'm sure there were schools that were worse. At ours we were just over half of our top 5% GPA students and they didn't want to fail us or drag down test scores by messing with us.
Just wow.
 

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As others have alluded to, reactions depended heavily on the level of religious nutbaggery in a community. "Jesus freaks" would panic at anything that even just alluded to magic (not that that's changed; just look at Harry Potter) or didn't fill itself with Christian propaganda.
 

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My own parents, in the early 90's, forbade me from playing it after reading some alarmist article. Essentially, some kid had committed suicide and that kid happened to play DnD so therefore, they decided (obviously) that playing the game was the cause.

They were not even really super-religious (well, my mom kinda was/is) but they bought into moral panic hook-line-and-sinker.
 

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I got screamed at by 3 priests and a nun for several hours at school in the 80s, about how I was selling my soul to satan, how I was indulging in evil acts and blahblahblah because I had a d&d book in my schoolbag. Imparted a great impression of the church in my 8yo mind.

32 years later and I'm still a DM, but no longer a catholic.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
I find it creepy that as I checked this thread yesterday, a day later I get this video on youtube recommeneds:


Google you creepy ************.
I find it even creepier that I clicked on your video there and found that I had at some point already watched it 2/3rds of the way through and simply forgot about it.

#117 on the list of signs you might've spent too much time on youtube.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
I find it creepy that as I checked this thread yesterday, a day later I get this video on youtube recommeneds:


Google you creepy ************.
Can't go anywhere without being tracked. I looked up women's clothing several months ago for a character I was drawing and I STILL have women's clothing ads hitting me.
 

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Can't go anywhere without being tracked. I looked up women's clothing several months ago for a character I was drawing and I STILL have women's clothing ads hitting me.
Had the same thing one. But i wouldn't take this as a bad sign.

When i notice targeted ads. But when they come, they are the same thing for several weeks, based on a single internet activity.
Which does mean most of the things i do online are either not recognized correctly or don't have any possible targetted ads attached.


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In the 80s D&D was just another evil capitalist entertainment product no one could get anywhere and no one would even have heard of. I mean, it was already nearly impossible to get classics like monopoly and most people would never have played it. But something as obscure as D&D ? No chance.

In the nineties it theoretically was available but ... people still didn't know it existed and what it was. And there was a whole new world of western entertainment to experience. It took half the decade before the first RPGs had appeared in stores, found curious customers and groups were founded. But D&D was not the biggest one. And there was no moral religious panic. The churches that had to live through communist dictatorship were, well, rather freedom loving and understanding in most things. And people didn't actually believe in magic.
 

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Even Tom Hanks made a movie about how D&D is bad for kids: Mazes & Monsters (get it?)

And the iconic 80's religious propaganda (Dark Dungeons) about how D&D taught actual witchery to a girl and one of her friends committed suicide after the latter's character died.

They were dead serious about it.



Remember: they were dead serious...



Am I the only one who wishes to be able to do that too? Oops! Sorry, got distracted.

Remember: they were dead serious...



Did I mention they were dead serious?

I heard this golden crap got a movie adaptation in 2014.

EDIT: Jeez! I'm getting Ninja'ed left and right today...
 

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CaitSeith said:
And the iconic 80's religious propaganda (Dark Dungeons) about how D&D taught actual witchery to a girl and one of her friends committed suicide after the latter's character died.
Honestly, Chick Tracts are ... special.

I mean, when i first read this one (after 2000) i hardly could believe it. But when i looked up where it came from, well. Let's just say that those tract somehow manage to paint the Catholic Church as even worse than D&D.