Who the hell decided that this was art?!

[DrDeath3191]

Art is hard to define. The best definition of art that many can come up with is "it's something an artist makes". But even then, I scratch my head at some things that entitle themselves as some sort of 'artistic statement'. What thing that is classified as 'art' do you think has no right to be declared as such?

Jim Dine, I'm calling your ass out. What the hell were you thinking with Shovel? You just bought a shovel, put it on a pedestal and then suddenly it was art?! I think that's a tad ridiculous.

 

[Curtmiester]

To each his own I guess. It is hard to define art but there is a fine line between art and laziness.

 

[Cid Silverwing]

There are people who think they make art just by splattering the paintbrush everywhere. Many people paint utterly incoherent shit and call it art as well (I guess that's what "modern" art is).

If it's not coherent to autistic people (like me), it's very hard to call it art.

 

[bcponpcp27]

Cow in formaldehyde. It actually won a massive contest, and yes it is quite literally just a cow body preserved in formaldehyde. WTF!?

 

[TheNamlessGuy]

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[DrDeath3191]

To each his own, one mans garbage is another mans treasure, etc.

To summarize: Just because you don't think it's art, doesn't mean the world agrees.
[sub]Although a shovel on a pedestal is a little uncreative[/sub]

I know. I'm asking what you don't think is art, while many others do.

 

[Acaroid]

Art is hard to define. The best definition of art that many can come up with is "it's something an artist makes". But even then, I scratch my head at some things that entitle themselves as some sort of 'artistic statement'. What thing that is classified as 'art' do you think has no right to be declared as such?

Jim Dine, I'm calling your ass out. What the hell were you thinking with Shovel? You just bought a shovel, put it on a pedestal and then suddenly it was art?! I think that's a tad ridiculous.

Honestly the art world is horrid, it is as bad as the film and music industry. It is all about getting your name known, not about the work you produce.

#$%& art, bring on the pretty pictures!!!

 

[BlindTom]

Would you consider this art?

http://jesuschristtheindieband.muxtape.com/

 

[TheNamlessGuy]

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[Erana]

Art is hard to define. The best definition of art that many can come up with is "it's something an artist makes". But even then, I scratch my head at some things that entitle themselves as some sort of 'artistic statement'. What thing that is classified as 'art' do you think has no right to be declared as such?

Jim Dine, I'm calling your ass out. What the hell were you thinking with Shovel? You just bought a shovel, put it on a pedestal and then suddenly it was art?! I think that's a tad ridiculous.

The shovel is obviously a postmodernist piece along the same vain as The Fountain. Its form- the simple shovel, purposely violates the sense of reverence society gives works of art. It also, then, puts the meaning of a shovel into the connotation of being on a pedestal?
Think of what a shovel means to you, and how your perception changes because of its placement.

If you think its "bad art" because it doesn't show artistic prowess, then you're stuck in the conceptual dark ages.
Its like the people who insist that classical is the only good, or right music.

 

[Tartarga]

Yet more proof that modern art sucks.

 

[Chinchama]

Art is hard to define. The best definition of art that many can come up with is "it's something an artist makes". But even then, I scratch my head at some things that entitle themselves as some sort of 'artistic statement'. What thing that is classified as 'art' do you think has no right to be declared as such?

Jim Dine, I'm calling your ass out. What the hell were you thinking with Shovel? You just bought a shovel, put it on a pedestal and then suddenly it was art?! I think that's a tad ridiculous.

The shovel is obviously a postmodernist piece along the same vain as The Fountain. Its form- the simple shovel, purposely violates the sense of reverence society gives works of art. It also, then, puts the meaning of a shovel into the connotation of being on a pedestal?
Think of what a shovel means to you, and how your perception changes because of its placement.

If you think its "bad art" because it doesn't show artistic prowess, then you're stuck in the conceptual dark ages.
Its like the people who insist that classical is the only good, or right music.

I agree with you. However, I feel that hard should have some sort of emotion, thought or depth behind it. The Fountain was just a toilet someone purchased and put on display, then thought up of something to say about it. There was also a guy, in California I think? not too sure, who participated in gay sodomy with a blind folded volunteer in public. (I'm not saying I have anything against gays, but publicly displaying anal/oral sex and performing scat activities is a good bit too far) Stuff like that IS NOT art its a bizarre perversion where the thought behind the idea is an after excuse to get away with it. Another example is the guy who was starving dogs as an instillation.

 

[Skyllian Blitz]

Art should be self-evident. If a piece of art or performance requires background knowledge, an explanation or a certain way of thinking to appreciate then to me it has failed.

Too often to we see abstract pieces created to "demonstrate" certain emotions or scenes which require the presence of a critic or expert to interpret the piece for us. If we do not understand it then we are simply too ignorant or incapable of understanding the genius.

I think it should stand to reason that something is wrong if someone has to tell me it's a masterpiece.

An interesting article, or speech rather, by the Chairman of the Art Renewal Centre, Fred Ross, on the state of modern art. http://www.artrenewal.org/articles/2001/ASOPA/bad_art_good_art1.asp

I think the posters here may appreciate his thoughts on the matter. He certainly doesnt hold back.

 

[Overlord2702]

Just a thing on this "modern art" Damien Hirst (Cow in formaldehyde Artist) has hundreds of unsold artwork so not alot of people believe its collectible (and he is spoused to be a major player in the business) Quite afew of these artist have artificially inflated desire from the auction houses (well they at least were before DOOMSDAY ECONOMY 07) cos it makes them money. Even some major art critics ask if they remember the "big names" in modern art in 20yrs time (due to them being CRAP) That being said theres still some very good pieces out there.

This is all on some doco i cant remeber the name of

 

[cyber_andyy]

Art is over rated. In fact, modern art is just people waving their arms around like a spastic.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Art is emotions and thoughts expressed in a way the artist has chosen define it best for him/her. Art is weird.

 

[Eldritch Warlord]

Call something art and someone is bound to agree with you.

 

[Cabisco]

Isn't art meant to provoke an emotional response, or at least thats what i've been told and accepted as the nicest solution. A huge amount of art these days is absolute bollocks, like that shovel thing you meantioned. It reminds me of that strange elitism that if you think it's not good you simply "Don't understand" or your "Just not educated enough in fine arts".

Personally i consider alot of game worlds closer to art than this which was in the tate modern art museum:

 

[ZeroMachine]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Even if the beholder has no eyes.

I don't know if that makes any sense, but it's the best way I can explain how some people see incredibly ugly things as peices of art.

 

[SmartIdiot]

I think a more appropriate question would be "What isn't art?"