Why a lot of the Escapist community is more mindless than they think.

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ToastiestZombie

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So, if you haven't dismissed this thread as a troll thread because of the title read onwards, because I would like to discuss something that's annoying me about the community on this site. Basically, we call people who like COD, people who like MLP, people who like modern RPG's and basically anyone who doesn't like what the vocal minority likes are "Mindless" "Drones" and "Sheep". This may be the case, people who buy COD may just be people who are being hypnotized to buy shit, and bronies may just be people who are hypnotized to watch childish shit. But what I'm saying is that if you go by that logic, EVERYONE is mindless. Just about different things, here let me give you a few examples.

1) Pretty much everyone on here either loves or hasn't played "Wasteland". Which is a 20 year old, no sound, hardly any graphics hardcore RPG. It was made by Interplay, who have now shut down due to a MASS of stupid mistakes. Now, 20 years later the original developers (not sure though) have made a kickstarter fund for Wasteland 2. I bet a LOT of people from here donated to that. Yet, you haven't seen any gameplay, any concept art, and indication of what it shall look like, any info other than "It's wasteland 2!" and you are riding on the hope that Interplay is as good as it was, which is highly unlikely. Yet you still donated because of the hope that you might get basically the exact same Wasteland game, just with better graphics. You probably don't want it to change, or get more streamlined, or become easier, or reach out to a bigger audience because YOU want it to be a hardcore RPG. Even if it means that noone will buy Wasteland 2 because it's so hard and out dated with today's standards because it needs to be exactly what every RPG was like in the 80's.

2) Here's probably the one going to start the biggest flame war. The issue of Call of Duty. Basically, any mention of Call of Duty in a positive light here is always torn down and beaten to death by the exact same arguments, the ones about COD being the same game and Activision being puppy killing nazi's. Whereas Call of Duty IS the most popular game series on the planet, it's popular because it IS a good game that a lot of people want to play. Just those people aren't as vocal as the people who hate COD, it's the classic case of a vocal minority vs a quiet majority. If you hate COD you're just like all of the people you are calling mindless by liking cod, you are hating on something because it's popular and it's not what you like. You don't have to bother with COD, COD threads or even talk to COD fans. Yet you still post everywhere that COD is like a cancer, or it's shit and all of that and you STILL tear down every COD fan who dares to post in a thread with endless quotes.

3) Not being afraid to touch on some more taboo subjects here! Yes, I'm talking about Bronies and My Little Pony. Mainly the fact that EVERY thread about ponies that's positive and is basically for bronies to discuss things about the show is always torn down by people whining that we are shoving it down their throats. You did not have to click on the thread titled "Who is you're favorite pony?" or "What are your thoughts on season 2 of MLP" if you hate bronies and ponies so much. Yet you still did out of irrational hate and disgust of something you don't like. Then you are basically making it so it's an unofficial rule that bronies can't make threads about MLP because we would be shoving it down your precious little throats. One more point is that there are MORE threads coming from non bronies about MLP than threads coming from actual bronies. They're normally about "What is this MLP thing?" or "What are your thoughts on bronies?" which are two threads a brony would never make.

Now, feel free to throw any insults you have at me.

So Escapist, what do you think of this opinion? Do you agree, or am I a 13 year old kid who just likes to play COD all day (I am 13 btw).

P.S. I did not make this to troll, I must stress that point. I made this thread because I genuinely believe that a LOT of the hate on some subjects on this site is just coming from mindless haters. I also believe that we ALL are mindless sometimes, with the Wasteland example backing up that point.
 

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I think you need to stop caring so much about other peoples opinions. Not trying to be rude, but you should probably follow your own advice and ignore comments and opinions that you don't agree with.
 

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Honestly, I'm not too sure what the opinion is I'm supposed to be looking for and judging here... A rant about internet people making fun of others? Honestly dude, life becomes much easier if ya just let people say what they want to say and if it happens to just be a bunch of crying, them shrug it off and keep on going. You can just as easily ignore them as they can ignore you.

Of course, if I totally missed the point then don't mind me and enjoy your day.
 

ToastiestZombie

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SaikyoKid said:
Honestly, I'm not too sure what the opinion is I'm supposed to be looking for and judging here... A rant about internet people making fun of others? Honestly dude, life becomes much easier if ya just let people say what they want to say and if it happens to just be a bunch of crying, them shrug it off and keep on going. You can just as easily ignore them as they can ignore you.

Of course, if I totally missed the point then don't mind me and enjoy your day.
The main point here is basically hypocrisy. People call bronies mindless, people call COD fans mindless when they too are just being mindless haters. It really grinds my gears.
 

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It is rather annoying that a lot of people seem to have the same attitude towards old games: They're great and the new versions are shit because they changed it. Now, there have been a lot of great games in the past, but new incarnations are not always shit.
I played Fallout 1, 2, Tactics, 3 and New Vegas, and I think that 3 and New Vegas were far more fun than the ones Interplay made (yes, I know Interplay merely published Tactics and didn't actually make it). Just because it's new doesn't mean it's worse than the last one(s).

I agree with you on the CoD thing. The games are functional, fun, and far more accessible than other shooters. Apparently this is a bad thing. Apparently, games shouldn't be fun for people who aren't great at them. I say 'fuck off' to people who say that.

As for the MLP threads, I don't have much to say. I used to get sort of excited when one was made, but now I'm just sick of the hate and, more often than not, I ignore them
 

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All your points are true, but that's how the Internets roll, son. In a world of anonymity, everyone wants to find something they can scream and complain about. Because it's fun.

Best thing you can do is ignore it. Life becomes much better that way.
 

ToastiestZombie

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MPerce said:
All your points are true, but that's how the Internets roll, son. In a world of anonymity, everyone wants to find something they can scream and complain about. Because it's fun.

Best thing you can do is ignore it. Life becomes much better that way.
I agree, we are also ALL guilty with it. I admit I am a mindless hater of Macs and most new music, but the difference between me and the people I was talking about is that I'm barely ever vocal about it, whereas a LOT of mindless haters are.
 

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ToastiestZombie said:
P.S. I did not make this to troll, I must stress that point. I made this thread because I genuinely believe that a LOT of the hate on some subjects on this site is just coming from mindless haters. I also believe that we ALL are mindless sometimes, with the Wasteland example backing up that point.
No offence, but this honestly sounds like you're just annoyed that your favourite program/game isn't considered the best thing of all time around here. A lot of people are excited for Wasteland 2 for many reasons, I myself like the idea of the game being broght back by Obsidian. What you need to understand is that your fandom/hobby/etc is no more special the anyone elses, I like UMVC3 for God's sake. And yes I hate COD for many reasons, although I will never judge anyone for liking the games.

Also, from your Wasteland 2 rant, you're very hypocritical for dismissing an entire fanbase given your defense of bronies.



TL: DR, haters gonna hate.
 

ToastiestZombie

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Ninjamedic said:
ToastiestZombie said:
P.S. I did not make this to troll, I must stress that point. I made this thread because I genuinely believe that a LOT of the hate on some subjects on this site is just coming from mindless haters. I also believe that we ALL are mindless sometimes, with the Wasteland example backing up that point.
No offence, but this honestly sounds like you're just annoyed that your favourite program/game isn't considered the best thing of all time around here. A lot of people are excited for Wasteland 2 for s many reasons, I myself like the idea of the game being broght back by Obsidian. What you need to understand is that your fandom/hobby/etc is no more special the anyone elses. I mean, I like UMVC3 for God's sake. And yes I hate COD for many reasons, although I will never judge anyone for liking the games.

Also, from your Wasteland 2 rant, you're very hypocritical for dismissing an entire fanbase given your defense of bronies.



TL: DR, haters gonna hate.
Not really, I used wasteland as an example, and I believe that anyone who puts money into any kickstarter isn't thinking it through much since well, you're paying for a game you have no idea how good it is yet. I'm also more talking about the people who DO judge people for liking COD/MLP, the people who go out of their way to hate and call them names and such.
 

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on point 2.
I thought the problem people had with COD was that they're re-releasing the same game over and over. (I still play COD2 with my friends from time to time).
I think it's fair that people are disappointed with this, because all that money could be used for something else.
I'm not saying the people who buy every COD game is in the wrong, just that it's understandable that others get frustrated, hence the flaming in the threads.

Very well written post for a 13 year old by the way, I'm impressed.
 

ToastiestZombie

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Mayhaps said:
on point 2.
I thought the problem people had with COD was that they're re-releasing the same game over and over. (I still play COD2 with my friends from time to time).
I think it's fair that people are disappointed with this, because all that money could be used for something else.
I'm not saying the people who buy every COD game is in the wrong, just that it's understandable that others get frustrated, hence the flaming in the threads.

Very well written post for a 13 year old by the way, I'm impressed.
Awwww shucks, I've also written a fanfic which really shows off my skills: http://www.fimfiction.net/story/22366/I%27ll-See-You-in-the-Sky#comment/506798
 

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ToastiestZombie said:
Not really, I used wasteland as an example, and I believe that anyone who puts money into any kickstarter isn't thinking it through much since well, you're paying for a game you have no idea how good it is yet.
So? I believe that constantly posting topics about the same damn show, especially when the questions asked could be easily asked the user group instead. Yes I understand that you want a discussion about MLP, no problem. Its just that the sheer amount of MLP threads only exacerbates the problems with repeat threads and topics.

But I don't judge the entire fanbase for it do I?

I'm also more talking about the people who DO judge people for liking COD/MLP, the people who go out of their way to hate and call them names and such.
And a good portion of the COD haters are in fact, Bronies. Everything has its haters, you need to follow your own advice more my friend.
 

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ToastiestZombie said:
SaikyoKid said:
Honestly, I'm not too sure what the opinion is I'm supposed to be looking for and judging here... A rant about internet people making fun of others? Honestly dude, life becomes much easier if ya just let people say what they want to say and if it happens to just be a bunch of crying, them shrug it off and keep on going. You can just as easily ignore them as they can ignore you.

Of course, if I totally missed the point then don't mind me and enjoy your day.
The main point here is basically hypocrisy. People call bronies mindless, people call COD fans mindless when they too are just being mindless haters. It really grinds my gears.
Ahh, I kinda see your point a little better now. Well, venting about it isn't top bad a thing to do if it really does get to ya, just don't really expect the whole scene to change from it. There are a lot of people on this site and Bandwagon'ing is bound to occur all the time. Just know that its the internet here and at the end of the day, its really nothing more than words on a screen. Might help ya not get ya so heated up when it happens
 

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Matthew94 said:
ToastiestZombie said:
Yet, you haven't seen any gameplay, any concept art, and indication of what it shall look like, any info other than "It's wasteland 2!"
Brian Fargo has posted 2 pieces of concept art as of a few weeks ago, possibly more by now.
That was after the kickstarter started though, probably after it finished. Also concept art, to me, is not the right way to sell a game because well, you can easily just get an artist in to draw a picture for showing off. Whereas creating a trailer, gameplay or even just getting some in game screenshots requires a lot more work that I reckon they should do if they want gamers to give them money.
 

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I've never said anything negative about COD fans or bronies.

I've assumed it, but I've never said it.

Plus, just because I'm usually a nice guy doesn't mean I can't be kind of a hypocritical dick once in a while. Nobody's perfect.
 

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I have to say, this is a very well written post for someone your age. Props.

But yeah, despite the fact that I have no interest in ever playing any of the CoD games, I think the massive hatred for it is sort of ridiculous. I can agree with hating it for good reasons such as not enjoying it's gameplay mechanics or something like that. But I get annoyed at the people who are hating it just because everyone else is supposedly doing it and the people who look down on those who do enjoy the game.
kiwi_poo said:
It is rather annoying that a lot of people seem to have the same attitude towards old games: They're great and the new versions are shit because they changed it. Now, there have been a lot of great games in the past, but new incarnations are not always shit.
I played Fallout 1, 2, Tactics, 3 and New Vegas, and I think that 3 and New Vegas were far more fun than the ones Interplay made (yes, I know Interplay merely published Tactics and didn't actually make it). Just because it's new doesn't mean it's worse than the last one(s).

I agree with you on the CoD thing. The games are functional, fun, and far more accessible than other shooters. Apparently this is a bad thing. Apparently, games shouldn't be fun for people who aren't great at them. I say 'fuck off' to people who say that.
Pretty much this. I hate the idea that just because there is a new version of something people automatically think it's or it's going to be shit.
 

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I don't think I've ever commented on a thread or in any way about those three topics. Except I think I've asked what MLP is when I see it abbreviated. They just don't interest me so I don't have an opinion.

I feel you're generalizing too much. Most people are probably more like me where they don't care enough about it to comment. You're assuming a vocal minority is the majority.