Why are comic book fans so anal about super hero movies?

[Arsen]

I am hearing two completely different reviews of the new Wolverine movie.

One side is going on and on about how it isn't faithful to the original story, Deadpool isn't done the right way, the action is campy, and on and on...

Yet I equally hear from veteran comic book fans that the movie exceeded their expectations.

I am unsure who to believe. Nonetheless I must pose the question: WHY are comic book fans so anal? I mean look at the Lord of the Rings movies. The fans of the books KNOW Tom Bombadil and so many others things were removed from the original story, yet most people tend to accept the movies. Why superhero movies never get this same respect is beyond me...

Anywho, your thoughts please.

 

[megapenguinx]

Because we have a set mindset of how the character should act. Their behaviors and tendencies affect their decisions and how their universe works. Also if you actually knew comic Deadpool, you'd understand why this version had so many fans outraged.

 

[Compatriot Block]

Most fans don't want the characters and story destroyed or dumbed down so a bunch of idiots with snotty-nosed six year olds can enjoy it while their kids wail like banshees.

..I am kind of irritable tonight...

Just a bit.

Anyways, I think it's because there are a bunch of different imaginings of comic characters. Each one has different groups of followers, and they all react differently to new stimuli. Or movies. I like stimuli more though.

*wanders off muttering about stimuli*

 

[Kiutu]

Any movie taking any established fiction that alters things too much will hear it and hard. The more it deviates, the less loved it is. I know I hate it too. Dunno how the new Wolverine movie is though as I have not seen it, but just Deadpool maskless already worried me.

 

[Agayek]

Most fans don't want the characters and story destroyed or dumbed down so a bunch of idiots with snotty-nosed six year olds can enjoy it while their kids wail like banshees.

..I am kind of irritable tonight...

What this guy said.

The vast majority of the time, any adaptation from one form of media to another involves removing/editing/bastardizing at least some parts of the story, and they're usually fairly important to the original story. It's just depressing to see something you really like transformed into a pile of shit by the transition.

 

[Crash486]

Most fans don't want the characters and story destroyed or dumbed down so a bunch of idiots with snotty-nosed six year olds can enjoy it while their kids wail like banshees.

..I am kind of irritable tonight...

I'm sensing that trend.

Fans just like to have something to complain about really. It's not often they have any kind of time in the spotlight. The longer they can feign outrage the more attention they get. They like to feel as though they are better than the average viewer/consumer because they discovered the media before anyone cared about it and thus they are entitled to special nerd rage browny points.

 

[SharPhoe]

Most fans don't want the characters and story destroyed or dumbed down so a bunch of idiots with snotty-nosed six year olds can enjoy it while their kids wail like banshees.

..I am kind of irritable tonight...

Now now, Max. You work hard patrolling our threads to keep this place safe, you're entitled to this kind of thing.

I can understand the furor some fans raise. I mean, if the movie-makers have to change a tiny little bit of information or something to make something comprehensible to those who don't know the source material, then that's tolerable. But when they completely derail characters or plotlines or what-have-you for that purpose - or worse, for no reason - then we've got a problem.

 

[ix_tab]

Us Deadpool fans are angry because they essentially removed everything that makes Deadpool himself.

Comic fans are like all fen though. Re-inventions of beloved source material is rarely considered a good thing, and we like to remain angry until proven wrong.

I believe the Wolverine movie was best summed up as 'fantastic abs! Shame about the script.'

 

[kat-24]

I'm a deadpool fan, nd I wish they could have stuck to his personality better, I wish that he was more of a wise cracking, morally ambigious anti-hero/hero, who teleported, and broke the fourth wall constantly, however, that can be saved for a deadpool movie, this was a Wolverine movie, and Deadpool was simpy there, he was entertaining (Not as good as the deadpool comics, mind you) and funny for people who didn't read the comics.

Long story short, I didn't mind the movie deadpool, but would have much preferred the comic deadpool

 

[XMarshmallow]

I believe the Wolverine movie was best summed up as 'fantastic abs! Shame about the script.'

More like shame about the directing. I knew things were going to go downhill when the movie opened with an awful child actor trying to scream with rage in slow-mo with a rising camera-pan.
I don't even care about the writing when I'm distracted by super-flying Gambit and bloodless decapitated bodies spiraling down a pit, all in slow motion. Slow-mo does not make you epic, Hollywood!

 

[jim_doki]

the problem is, and has always been, that people hold things like their favorite superheroes and characters very close to their heart, to the point where they think they own them. When someone messes up something you own and love, its hard not to take it personally

 

[ix_tab]

I believe the Wolverine movie was best summed up as 'fantastic abs! Shame about the script.'

More like shame about the directing. I knew things were going to go downhill when the movie opened with an awful child actor trying to scream with rage in slow-mo with a rising camera-pan.
I don't even care about the writing when I'm distracted by super-flying Gambit and bloodless decapitated bodies spiraling down a pit, all in slow motion. Slow-mo does not make you epic, Hollywood!

If only they'd gone with the only true directing style, star wipes for every scene.


But seriously, I am so over slow-mo I could scream. From now on I want everything on one and a half time.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

Because when we see good story's and characters raped and shatted on by cheap hacks it burns us up.

I am hearing two completely different reviews of the new Wolverine movie.

One side is going on and on about how it isn't faithful to the original story, Deadpool isn't done the right way, the action is campy, and on and on...

Yet I equally hear from veteran comic book fans that the movie exceeded their expectations.

I am unsure who to believe. Nonetheless I must pose the question: WHY are comic book fans so anal? I mean look at the Lord of the Rings movies. The fans of the books KNOW Tom Bombadil and so many others things were removed from the original story, yet most people tend to accept the movies. Why superhero movies never get this same respect is beyond me...

Anywho, your thoughts please.

Because when we see good story's and characters raped and shatted on by cheap hacks it burns us up.

I can stand it if they would no have their wet way with the fiction I enjoyed Judge dread for what it was and Punisher 04 was a delight for a indie feeling film, I even could stand Xmen 1 just because it was half right but too much dcking with the fiction just wares it down to the bone.....

 

[SharPhoe]

Now now, Max. You barely work derailing our threads to keep this place amusing, you're entitled to this kind of thing.

I am glad you feel this way.

So am I.

 

[ExodusinFlames]

Max had it right. Once you familiarize yourself with an established character, in any medium, there's just a way it should be done.
Lets for example look at the Spiderman films.
Toby Mcguire, a not-bad actor, but a very bad Spiderman. If they wanted something to feel like that wisecracking, smartass feel Spiderman needed, they should have opted for Topher Grace or someone along those lines.

There are certain things done, to smooth over pointlessness, for example: Spiderman's webshooters becoming a bio-organic product instead of scientific creation, but that can actually work better than a synthetic polymer adhesive fired out of a compressed air cannister mounted on a blah blah blah. And if anyone is a big Spidey fan, they'll remember that he did, for a while anyways make organic webbing anyways.

Chronology is a big kicker in films based on comics as well. Example, why did Peter Parker fall for and attempt to date MJ Watson before the Gwen Stacy character was introduced to please fans.

Which brings me to my next point. If you're going to do something in a comic book film specifically for fan service, lets use Venom for instance, at least try to get it right.
Venom, has always been portrayed as a relatively large, schizotypical (symbiotic fusion, even referring to himself as "We") and exceedingly agressive to Spiderman (and to a lesser extent Carnage) and anyone he deemed evil. He also utilized the features of the symbiote to strike fear, appearing larger with a fanged, slavering mouth and grotesque tongue hanging out. He didn't show his true face whenever he wanted to talk. I'm aware that this is turning into a bit of a childish rant, but if you are going to betray a character that fans have grown accustomed to expect negative results. Loudly.

Edit: Directly to OP - Look at the original Punisher movie. Nuff said
Edit #2: Decided not to pick on Wolverine because not everyone has had a chance to see it and tear it apart themselves yet. Or love it, whatever

 

[Darkmark44]

It was okay. I enjoyed the action, I love gambit... gambit is awesome...

Anyway, to keep myself from being buried into that awesome person, The movie could have used a better script, but, I am not caring really. It is rare to find such a good movie from comics that fits well. I thought it was enjoyable, I especially love the beginning credits when it showed wolverine going through the wars. Could have used work, but still better then other crap out there.

Besides, if you don't have one bitching... the world would get too peaceful... and that is just something we cant have!!

 

[sauerkraus]

We thought the movie would be the worst ever, so it exceeded expectations by just being very bad. And How would you like a movie about Halo having.... Master chief as a woman, and the covenant replaced with Vulcans or some star Trek S**T

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

Max had it right. Once you familiarize yourself with an established character, in any medium, there's just a way it should be done.
Lets for example look at the Spiderman films.
Toby Mcguire, a not-bad actor, but a very bad Spiderman. IF they wanted something to feel like that wisecracking smartass feel Spiderman needed, they should have opted for Topher Grace or something along those lines.

There are certain things done, to smooth over pointlessness, for example: Spiderman's webshooters becoming a bio-organic product instead of scientific creation, but that can actually work better than a synthetic polymer adhesive fired out of a compressed air cannister mounted on a blah blah blah. And if anyone is a big Spidey fan, they'll remember that he did, for a while anyways make organic webbing anyways.

Chronology is a big kicker in films based on comics as well. Example, why did Peter Parker fall for and attempt to date MJ Watson before the Gwen Stacy character was introduced to please fans.

Which brings me to my next point. If you're going to do something in a comic book film specifically for fan service, lets use Venom for instance, at least try to get it right.
Venom, has always been portrayed as a relatively large, schizotypical (symbiotic fusion, even referring to himself as "We") and exceedingly agressive to Spiderman (and to a lesser extent Carnage) and anyone he deemed evil. He also utilized the features of the symbiote to strike fear, appearing larger with a fanged, slavering mouth and grotesque tongue hanging out. He didn't show his true face whenever he wanted to talk. I'm aware that this is turning into a bit of a childish rant, but if you are going to betray a character that fans have grown accustomed to expect negative results. Loudly.

I dunno I thought SPM 1 was ok mostly was unhappy with general dialog and how they handled the goblin, SPDM 2 felt very rushed and the ending was horrible, SPDM 3 was just plain horrible.

Venom was a rather good villain for awhile before he started down the "anti hero" but what got me the most was no synthesized voice for venom, man voice venom was fail to the epic fail of emo spidy 3.... it reminds me of batman and robin.....

I can handle mashing of somethings it always happens for the sake of convenience in development but if they are stacked....the fail train commeth.... like Ghost Rider...it had me till the demons turned out to be metrosexaul vampireic spawn from the big city.....


Hell if they played it right they could have had 3 GR films first one is ghost rider/blaze,2nd one happens a few years later with dan ketch and then we can finish it off blaze and his shotgun the caretaker and dan trying to tame Vengeance and that could have started midnight sons with the 3 vrs Lillith and her brood. With cameos from blade,nightstalkers and such.....