Why Democrats Lost In Virginia Is Painfully Obvious

[gorfias]

Interesting and different piece from Left wing comedian Jimmy Dore. I've been reading and hearing all over the place that McCauliff lost to Youngkin when he said that parents should have no input on how their children are educated. And I think that was huge.

But it is also true that the Democrats seem loathe to actually pass popular ideas.

Did McCauliff lose because he was too left wing and needs to tack to the center?

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Basically zero democrats lose for being too left-wing. They lose because of bad messaging, a mostly accurate perception that they'll cave instantly on any actually popular left wing legislation, bargaining with themselves to neuter any actually popular proposals before even getting to negotiations with the "other side", and a very strong propaganda game coming from the right.

Like, seriously, last year every Democrat in every major elected position in Montana ran on the "we'd vote for Ronald Reagan if we could" platform while the GOP ran on "that damn crt communism Pelosi socialist, let's cut taxes and stop gun control to piss off Muslim AOC"

 

[gorfias]

Basically zero democrats lose for being too left-wing. They lose because of bad messaging, a mostly accurate perception that they'll cave instantly on any actually popular left wing legislation, bargaining with themselves to neuter any actually popular proposals before even getting to negotiations with the "other side", and a very strong propaganda game coming from the right.

Like, seriously, last year every Democrat in every major elected position in Montana ran on the "we'd vote for Ronald Reagan if we could" platform while the GOP ran on "that damn crt communism Pelosi socialist, let's cut taxes and stop gun control to piss off Muslim AOC"

Democrats have their own "distract the base" tactics too. That a Democrat is not, for instance, less forever war than Republicans, but they'll write inclusive messaging on the bombs they drop on foreign cities to fight wars that have nothing to do with us. This time around, I think the distraction tactics bothered enough mostly white people to make a difference.

Doing real, positive change, I think, would far outweigh saying things.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Democrats have their own "distract the base" tactics too. That a Democrat is not, for instance, less forever war than Republicans, but they'll write inclusive messaging on the bombs they drop on foreign cities to fight wars that have nothing to do with us. This time around, I think the distraction tactics bothered enough mostly white people to make a difference.
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Doing real, positive change, I think, would far outweigh saying things.

You know the "writing inclusive things on bombs" thing is made up, right? Not an actual thing that is happening? Onion level satire mocking Democrats being useless?

 

[Eacaraxe]

But it is also true that the Democrats seem loathe to actually pass popular ideas.

Just, hold onto that thought.

Did McCauliff lose because he was too left wing and needs to tack to the center?

Terry McAuliffe was...let me check my notes, here...

Bill Clinton's reelection committee co-chair, DNC chair from 2001-2005, and chairman of Hillary's election dumpster fire in '08 whilst being a Hillary superdelegate. And amidst all that, he was a key moneylaunderer fundraiser for the Clintons.

And as governor he did jack diddly fuck except for a milquetoast felon enfranchisement executive order.

That guy is "too far left"?

Naw, I'm pretty sure McAuliffe lost because voters are pissed Democrats have fought tooth and nail against policies supported by 70% of the American public, and 90% of Democratic voters, for a year and a half, and have actively torpedoed their "attempt" to at least kick the can down the road while opening up the pork trough once again to the donor class.

 

[Worgen]

Probably the vaccine mandate mostly with a side of CRT and masks.

 

[meiam]

It's hard to understand the guy view point since he spend most of the video just reading tweets and jumping around topic to topic.

Democrat biggest problem is that they do politic as if people vote based on politician policy when in reality people vote based on the idea of "one of us vs them", ie is that politician like me. Voter don't care if the government pass a new policy to help them trough tough time, most people don't have time/interest to read up on policy and when they do receive help from the government they consider that they were always due the help.

I think at this point dem only hope is to purge the wing of the party that's obsessed with self sabotage. People who endorse slogan like "defund the police" are doing insane damage to the democrat brand while getting literally nothing in return for it, maybe a few more people will vote for them in place where they already win 60+% of the votes. Vast majority of people don't care about those issues, especially in place where dem need to make gains. The idea that parent shouldn't have a say in whats taught in school is broadly correct, but saying it out load was incredibly stupid. Instead he should have said something like "I'm gonna pass the no to critical race theory bill!" and nobody would have even checked if he did it and since critical race theory is just meaningless non sense boogeyman conjured by the republican, he could have passed a bill with literally anything in it and it would have been just fine. Really all that matter at this point is focusing on branding.

 

[Gergar12]

Jimmy Dore is a right-winger.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Virginia has elected a governor of the opposite party of the sitting President in eleven of the last twelve elections.

 

[gorfias]

You know the "writing inclusive things on bombs" thing is made up, right? Not an actual thing that is happening? Onion level satire mocking Democrats being useless?

They do seem to love forever wars and make symbolic gestures rather than really getting us, and keeping us out of them. I thought after Vietnam we'd learned our lesson. Then Bush 1 got us into a mid-east war with help from the Dems. Bush 2 lied us into a 2nd war without consequence. We've pulled out of Afghanistan. So we can pull into another one soon?

Then they make symbolic gestures like putting a transgender female and father of 4 into the admiralty. It's kinda the same thing.

Will that be enough for the base if Biden takes us further into, say, a conflict in Syria?

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

They do seem to love forever wars and make symbolic gestures rather than really getting us, and keeping us out of them. I thought after Vietnam we'd learned our lesson. Then Bush 1 got us into a mid-east war with help from the Dems. Bush 2 lied us into a 2nd war without consequence. We've pulled out of Afghanistan. So we can pull into another one soon?

Then they make symbolic gestures like putting a transgender female and father of 4 into the admiralty. It's kinda the same thing.

Will that be enough for the base if Biden takes us further into, say, a conflict in Syria?

...so am I the only person that Looked at the new 4 star admiral and didn't immediately assume "Navy"?

 

[Gordon_4]

...so am I the only person that Looked at the new 4 star admiral and didn't immediately assume "Navy"?

Well, you probably are because Admiral is a naval rank. Doesn't exist in the Army or the Air Force.

 

[Trunkage]

Just, hold onto that thought.


Terry McAuliffe was...let me check my notes, here...

Bill Clinton's reelection committee co-chair, DNC chair from 2001-2005, and chairman of Hillary's election dumpster fire in '08 whilst being a Hillary superdelegate. And amidst all that, he was a key moneylaunderer fundraiser for the Clintons.

And as governor he did jack diddly fuck except for a milquetoast felon enfranchisement executive order.

That guy is "too far left"?

Naw, I'm pretty sure McAuliffe lost because voters are pissed Democrats have fought tooth and nail against policies supported by 70% of the American public, and 90% of Democratic voters, for a year and a half, and have actively torpedoed their "attempt" to at least kick the can down the road while opening up the pork trough once again to the donor class.

Came here to say much of this

You would be hard pressed to find a signifanctly more conservative Democrat.

Jimmy Dore is again showing why he's an idiot. And I agree with Dore on the school/ parent input thing. AND the 'not passing popular ideas.' Sometimes he gets stuff right, sometimes he goes into fairyland

 

[Trunkage]

They do seem to love forever wars and make symbolic gestures rather than really getting us, and keeping us out of them. I thought after Vietnam we'd learned our lesson. Then Bush 1 got us into a mid-east war with help from the Dems. Bush 2 lied us into a 2nd war without consequence. We've pulled out of Afghanistan. So we can pull into another one soon?

Then they make symbolic gestures like putting a transgender female and father of 4 into the admiralty. It's kinda the same thing.

Will that be enough for the base if Biden takes us further into, say, a conflict in Syria?

Well, Biden has been putting in a bunch of toadies. The fact that Immanuel lost his spot is incredible, because he's the toadiest of the toadies.

Are we just going to pretend that any transperson getting a position is a symbolic guesture. I'm already tired of such nonsense.

Also, there was a bunch of lies that got us into war in '91. They just happen to be not that and Suddam isn't a great guy. Bush 2 just expanded on the firsts plan

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Well, you probably are because Admiral is a naval rank. Doesn't exist in the Army or the Air Force.

It sure does exist in the same branch as the surgeon general

United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Everybody seriously thought they promoted a civilian with no military service to a 4 star admiral in the US Navy? Why?

 

[Seanchaidh]

Terry McAuliffe is a corrupt, conservative Democrat and because media institutions are also corrupt and conservative, they're blaming the left and 'wokeness' for him losing. Shameless, all of them.

 

[tstorm823]

Are we just going to pretend that any transperson getting a position is a symbolic guesture. I'm already tired of such nonsense.

No, just that one, that has only been in government roles for 4 years, all of which were appointments by Democrats, and has been exceptionally unsuccessful in the pandemic, and got continually promoted anyway.

 

[tstorm823]

Terry McAuliffe is a corrupt, conservative Democrat and because media institutions are also corrupt and conservative, they're blaming the left and 'wokeness' for him losing. Shameless, all of them.

New Jersey is not Virginia, and elections are often about more than just the individual. McAuliffe lost in large part because Democrats in places like New Jersey are too left and woke for the people of Virginia.

 

[Hades]

You hear that the Democrats were simply too woke in Virginia but that seems a really strange assumption.

The tipping point this election seems to have been mass panic about CRT....which wasn't even taught in anything but the universities and for which Republicans simply invented a definition for. So considering the hysteria was created from whole cloth there wasn't even any wokeness for the Democrats to distance themselves from.

 

[Schadrach]

You would be hard pressed to find a signifanctly more conservative Democrat.

I'm from WV. You may have heard of our Senator Joe Manchin?