Why did Sony take away backwards compatibility in PS3's?

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Nitrozzy7

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They said it cost too much... but hearing it from a company that sold the ps3 for 600$ and now the ps2 for 90$ is kinda ironic. I'll tell you what I think.
Up to 2008 there was not a single descent title for the PS3 so it was convenient. Now they doped it because they want to sell more ps2 in order to cover the cost of the ps3.
I've heard they made a patent on a ps2 emulator [http://www.tomsguide.com/us/PlayStation-Console-Patent-Emulator,news-4155.html] for the ps3 in 2008 and it's true. So that pretty much confirms my initial thought.
I think that within the next two years we will hear Sony releasing a "major update that will bring full ps2 BC to the ps3"
Ps3 will cost around 250$ when that happens. So, my guess is, it'll win the console war by 2014.
Kinda of a long shot? Yep.

What do ya think?
 

Marter

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They did it to save money on parts. Eventually you will probably be able to download PS2 titles on PSN.
 

Discord

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I always thought it was to sell more PS2's. They did gave the PS2 there own spotlight in the last E3 so it made since to me. I wish they didn't because I gotta take my PS2 out to play Okami, RE4, Sly Cooper and other games
 

w@rew0lf

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Because they had to make PS3's not cost a fortune to make so that they could finally sell them at realistic prices and have reasonable (read not dead) profit flow.
 

Kagim

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Marter said:
They did it to save money on parts. Eventually you will probably be able to download PS2 titles on PSN.
Pretty much that. Either way at this point you can still buy PS2 systems and buying a PS2 and a PS3 you will still be spending less money then i did and getting twice the hard drive space.

Besides its been like, what three years? Four? If you haven't bought a PS3 by now you likely don't have any PS2 games. If you do have PS2 games then you likely have a PS2 so i don't see the problem....
 

newguy77

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They had to have two different laser assemblies in the PS3 when it had backwards compatibility due to the fact that bluray uses a different laser than most other discs. Basically, like everyone else said, the PS3 cost too much to make at first.
 

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It was to save money but I probably would have bought the system by now if it had backwards compability.
 

SnootyEnglishman

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To save money on building the damn thing of course. But i already have a ps2 so i need not worry about this type of problem.
 

goldenheart323

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Interesting thoughts Nitro. Kudos for providing a link to the PS2 emulator article. When I recently learned all the PS2 chips do nothing when a PS3 game is being played, it became obvious Sony always planned to remove BC. I figured it was just to save money, but your argument for driving PS2 sales sure does sound logical. I don't know the validity of it, but I heard emulating the graphics chip in the PS2 is a lot harder than emulating the EE chip. Perhaps that part hasn't been perfected yet and full software emu isn't yet possible. I don't know.
newguy77 said:
They had to have two different laser assemblies in the PS3 when it had backwards compatibility due to the fact that bluray uses a different laser than most other discs. Basically, like everyone else said, the PS3 cost too much to make at first.
The PS2 games are on DVD's. PS3's all play DVD discs. Why would a PS3 that can read DVD's need another laser to read PS2 DVD's? Are they special?

Kagim said:
...Besides its been like, what three years? Four? If you haven't bought a PS3 by now you likely don't have any PS2 games. If you do have PS2 games then you likely have a PS2 so i don't see the problem....
Let's see if I can broaden your perspective:
+PS3 controller is wireless, so that's an added convenience to have while playing PS2 games.
+People, (especially wives,) like simplicity. They'd rather have 1 console hooked up to the TV instead of 2.
+Some people just don't have the space for a 2nd console.
+Some people are like me. We never bought a PS2, but there were still a handful of games we'd really like to play, but not enough to warrant buying a PS2 for. If the PS3 had BC, that would make buying a PS3 a easier to justify since it would have more value to us.
 

Kagim

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goldenheart323 said:
Kagim said:
...Besides its been like, what three years? Four? If you haven't bought a PS3 by now you likely don't have any PS2 games. If you do have PS2 games then you likely have a PS2 so i don't see the problem....
Let's see if I can broaden your perspective:
+PS3 controller is wireless, so that's an added convenience to have while playing PS2 games.
+People, (especially wives,) like simplicity. They'd rather have 1 console hooked up to the TV instead of 2.
+Some people just don't have the space for a 2nd console.
+Some people are like me. We never bought a PS2, but there were still a handful of games we'd really like to play, but not enough to warrant buying a PS2 for. If the PS3 had BC, that would make buying a PS3 a easier to justify since it would have more value to us.
+PS2 has wireless controllers and the wired controllers are not exactly short.
+Average TV's have multiple input jacks, you also usually have to switch from tv to console anyways, its just one more press of the input.
+The thing is the size of a PS3 game case
+It's cheaper to buy a new PS2 and a new PS3 then it cost to buy a BC PS3. My PS3 was $800CAD when i bought it and was only 60 gigs. That was the deluxe package.

Your essentially saying your willing to spend 300-400 dollars more for minor conveniences.
 

Antitonic

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The Rookie Gamer said:
To make people who want to play their PS2 games pissed?
You have no idea. I had one all paid for, then after a month of waiting they decided they were going to let me pay extra for one with no backwards compatibility.

BLARG!

Anyway, that's why I switched to XBOX and have never looked back.
 

The Rookie Gamer

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Antitonic said:
The Rookie Gamer said:
To make people who want to play their PS2 games pissed?
You have no idea. I had one all paid for, then after a month of waiting they decided they were going to let me pay extra for one with no backwards compatibility.

BLARG!

Anyway, that's why I switched to XBOX and have never looked back.
You have my sympathies. I want to get a PS3 Phat instead of a Slim so I can play games like Jak and Daxter and Sly Cooper.
 

Withall

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From what I remember, to make the PS3 compatible with the old games, they'd pretty much have to solder on a "Emotion" processor straight on to the rest of the console, and with that, rewrite the control software.

Too expensive, and time-consuming to be viable, they said.
 

Cliff_m85

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Well, both game systems have that flaw. Xbox allowed SOME backwards capability, though they didn't allow "The Warriors" to be one of the titles. :(
 

goldenheart323

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Kagim said:
goldenheart323 said:
Kagim said:
...Besides its been like, what three years? Four? If you haven't bought a PS3 by now you likely don't have any PS2 games. If you do have PS2 games then you likely have a PS2 so i don't see the problem....
Let's see if I can broaden your perspective:
+PS3 controller is wireless, so that's an added convenience to have while playing PS2 games.
+People, (especially wives,) like simplicity. They'd rather have 1 console hooked up to the TV instead of 2.
+Some people just don't have the space for a 2nd console.
+Some people are like me. We never bought a PS2, but there were still a handful of games we'd really like to play, but not enough to warrant buying a PS2 for. If the PS3 had BC, that would make buying a PS3 a easier to justify since it would have more value to us.
+PS2 has wireless controllers and the wired controllers are not exactly short.
+Average TV's have multiple input jacks, you also usually have to switch from tv to console anyways, its just one more press of the input.
+The thing is the size of a PS3 game case
+It's cheaper to buy a new PS2 and a new PS3 then it cost to buy a BC PS3. My PS3 was $800CAD when i bought it and was only 60 gigs. That was the deluxe package.

Your essentially saying your willing to spend 300-400 dollars more for minor conveniences.
Just because something has all the features wanted, doesn't mean it's worth the asking price. While you do point out reasons why those features may not be that significant, I never put a dollar value on their worth. Different people will value it differently. If you have a naggy wife who harps on every little bit of "clutter" in your home theater setup, you may HIGHLY value being able to have 1 less console connected. Or maybe all your TV's AV jacks already have something connected to them, & you'd have to buy a switch box in addition to a PS2 to play. It all comes down to personal preference. Bottom line is they would increase the value of a PS3 for many people. Some, like you, couldn't care less about these features, but that doesn't mean they aren't important to other people.

When I debate buying something with a lot of features, I itemize the features & what they're worth to me. Let's say Bob, for example, is considering buying a PS3.

+He likes the idea of having a BD player, but he'd only pay $150 for one.
+Bob has a 360, so he can already play games in HD. There are only some PS3 exclusives he wants to play, so being able to play PS3 games is only worth $100 to him.
-Where he games is right next to his broadband modem, so wireless internet is of no use to him. Even if he rearranges things in the future, he owns his home, so running wire is no biggie.
-He has a PC to look at pictures on his memory sticks, so all kinds of card readers in the PS3 are also of no use to him.
+He remembers a handful of PS2 games he'd like to play, but never could. Finally being able to play them is worth $50 to him. That's also why he doesn't bother to buy a new PS2. It's not worth it to him.


So far, that's $300 of value to Bob, but since the PS3 is no longer BC, it's only $250. Bob's not going to buy a PS3 because it costs more than what he is willing to pay for those benefits. Yes, the phat PS3 did everything Bob wants, but that was even more expensive.
 

Weaver

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Given the size of the original PS3 I bet they just stuck a whole PS2 in the damn thing.
Take the PS2 out and suddenly it shrinks!

edit (this is a joke, don't take it seriously).
 

sephiroth1991

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It's a shame but i'll still use my Ps2 for older games.

I have the 60GB Ps3 so it has backwards compatibility but its broken right now, YOU BASTERD!!