"Why don't victims just come forward?" Maybe this is why.

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I was going to post this in either the woke or anti-woke topic, wasn't sure which, but ultimately, I decided that this is a topic that is worthy of a discussion to itself. Basically, a restaurant owner accused Jackson Mahomes, Internet personality and brother of Patrick Mahomes, of assaulting a waitress and kissing the owner herself without permission.

As a result, she saw 75% of her business decline and her restaurant was vandalized on several occasions, resulting in her being forced to close down the restaurant due to lack of business.



I wish I could find better sources for this, as the name of the website for the article in particular makes me cringe, but the point is this: a lot of the time when women come forward years later to accuse certain men of assaulting them, especially after other allegations have been made against the same man, those women get either accused of bandwagoning for their 15 minutes of fame, or the question is asked. "If this is true, why didn't you say anything at the time?" Well, now we know what happens when someone does say something at the time, don't we?
 

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Don't forget the woman who accused Connor McGregor of raping her had her car set on fire, her house broken into, and was sent a letter that said if she didn't withdraw the accusation, someone would kill her family.
She withdrew the accusation.
Connor went on to rape another woman in an NBA bathroom. No word on her car yet.
 

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Well, yeah. Fans of internet personalities balls-deep in parasociality are deeply, deeply, unhinged. Throw that flavor of toxicity into a steaming pot full of prototypical misogynist toxicity, and shit gets real. You know, just like practically every other time allegations surface about internet personalities, or internet personalities make allegations.

Also,

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Just sayin'.
 

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Don't forget the woman who accused Connor McGregor of raping her had her car set on fire, her house broken into, and was sent a letter that said if she didn't withdraw the accusation, someone would kill her family.
She withdrew the accusation.
Connor went on to rape another woman in an NBA bathroom. No word on her car yet.
Ironically, half those macho tools have probably also opined at some point that if someone raped their gf / sister / mother etc. that guy better get the fuck out of town pronto before they turn him into a bloody mess.
 

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Well, yeah. Fans of internet personalities balls-deep in parasociality are deeply, deeply, unhinged.
Doesn't have to be internet personalities, just friends, family, or members of the community (who never were personally assaulted, so obviously they don't assault people) often do the same.
 

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This is why criminal cases should be between the accuser, the accused, the judge, and the jury and absolutely nobody else. The general public shouldn't even know about this stuff until it's over, if at all. It hurts both innocents who are falsely accused and accusers who get targeted like this.
 
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This is why criminal cases should be between the accuser, the accused, the judge, and the jury and absolutely nobody else. The general public shouldn't even know about this stuff until it's over, if at all. It hurts both innocents who are falsely accused and accusers who get targeted like this.
Look, I could agree with this but that probably requires cases not being covered from the start. Eg. They cant cover school shootings or when a body is found

Also, the news would be blamed for not covering cases

I think it's a bridge too far
 
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This is why criminal cases should be between the accuser, the accused, the judge, and the jury and absolutely nobody else. The general public shouldn't even know about this stuff until it's over, if at all. It hurts both innocents who are falsely accused and accusers who get targeted like this.
There are two problems with this off the top of my head.

Firstly, charges and trials being publicised allows for increased awareness that gives other witnesses an opportunity to come forward and help the court determine truth. Secondly, trials being transparent can contribute to public trust in the justice system, because people tend not to trust hidden processes and will suspect they may be rigged and made unfair - plus of course the trials may also actually be easier for malicious people to subvert.

I also think it's not going to make much difference, because eventually the truth will out and even if the arsehole much beloved by keyboard warriors goes down, those keyboard warriors will still take revenge on that arsehole's victim.
 
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I was going to post this in either the woke or anti-woke topic, wasn't sure which, but ultimately, I decided that this is a topic that is worthy of a discussion to itself. Basically, a restaurant owner accused Jackson Mahomes, Internet personality and brother of Patrick Mahomes, of assaulting a waitress and kissing the owner herself without permission.

As a result, she saw 75% of her business decline and her restaurant was vandalized on several occasions, resulting in her being forced to close down the restaurant due to lack of business.



I wish I could find better sources for this, as the name of the website for the article in particular makes me cringe, but the point is this: a lot of the time when women come forward years later to accuse certain men of assaulting them, especially after other allegations have been made against the same man, those women get either accused of bandwagoning for their 15 minutes of fame, or the question is asked. "If this is true, why didn't you say anything at the time?" Well, now we know what happens when someone does say something at the time, don't we?
This is nothing new unfortunately. The ones doing this are cowardly jackasses or nothing better to do with their lives, and get off on hurting people or protecting people who don't deserve it, and want to be useless pawns.
 
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Well, yeah. Fans of internet personalities balls-deep in parasociality are deeply, deeply, unhinged. Throw that flavor of toxicity into a steaming pot full of prototypical misogynist toxicity, and shit gets real. You know, just like practically every other time allegations surface about internet personalities, or internet personalities make allegations.

Also,

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Just sayin'.
It depends, your Phil De Franco(News), Tectone(Genshin Impact) people who are more "normal" aren't. But they still cause "drama", because other mentally unhinged people in their field are.

Granted De Franco is more pro-US, NATO, etc., and Tectone is more whalish, but generally they are okay on their takes.

But if your like a Deadpool Cosplayer, or a Joker Cosplayer your field of play has allot of degenerates.
 
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Don't forget the woman who accused Connor McGregor of raping her had her car set on fire, her house broken into, and was sent a letter that said if she didn't withdraw the accusation, someone would kill her family.
She withdrew the accusation.
Connor went on to rape another woman in an NBA bathroom. No word on her car yet.
Sounds like someone the Boondock Saints should pay a visit to.
 
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Don't forget the woman who accused Connor McGregor of raping her had her car set on fire, her house broken into, and was sent a letter that said if she didn't withdraw the accusation, someone would kill her family.
She withdrew the accusation.
Connor went on to rape another woman in an NBA bathroom. No word on her car yet.
Had to google who he was, name was only slightly familiar but couldn't place why. And his wiki page section for "controversies" is an exasperating journey of no self-control followed by minimal lasting consequences. The nature of the format dilutes the gravity of a few however.

Controversies

Driving offences

In November 2017 McGregor pleaded guilty to exceeding the speed limit in Rathcoole, County Dublin.[178] He was fined €400.[178] In November 2018 he pleaded guilty to speeding in Kill, County Kildare,[179] and was fined €1,000 and disqualified from driving for six months.[179]

On March 22, 2022, McGregor was arrested in Dublin and charged with six driving offences, including two counts of dangerous driving, being uninsured, having no licence, and failing to produce his documents. His car was seized by the Irish police.[180] He was released on bail and his car was returned to him. He was scheduled to appear before Blanchardstown district court in April 2022, and, if convicted, could be subject to a fine of up to €5,000, six months' imprisonment, or both.[181][182][183][needs update]

On June 23, 2022, McGregor appeared in Blanchardstown District Court in relation to events on March 22, 2022.[184][185] He was remanded on continuing bail[jargon] pending "further charges" as part of a dangerous driving prosecution.[184][185] He has not yet indicated a plea and the judge remanded[jargon] him to appear on 8 September 2022 for directions from the Director of Public Prosecutions.[184][185]

Incident at Bellator 187

On 10 November 2017, McGregor's SBG Ireland teammate Charlie Ward made his debut at Bellator 187 in Dublin against John Redmond.[186] Ward knocked out Redmond in round one,[187] and McGregor jumped the cage (he was not a licensed cornerman) to celebrate Ward's win while the fight was not yet officially declared over.[188] McGregor was separated by referee Marc Goddard, as Goddard needed to verify if the knockout was before the bell, and to ensure lock down of the cage for medical staff to assess the health of the knocked out Redmond. McGregor charged towards Goddard: while he pushed and confronted Goddard in a wild melee, he also checked on the downed Redmond and knocked him down while he was trying to get up.[189]

McGregor did a lap around the cage after he exited the cage a few minutes later, then climbed and straddled the cage apron to continue the celebration of Ward's win. He was stopped by a commissioner and McGregor, agitated, slapped the commissioner's face.[190][191] Redmond stated after the fight that Goddard intended to let the fight continue to round two, but the Mohegan Sun commission, which oversaw the event, elected to end the fight due to McGregor's behaviour in the ring.[192]

A day after the incident, the head of the commission for Bellator 187, Mike Mazzulli, the president of both the Mohegan Tribe Department of Athletic Regulation (MTDAR) and Association of Boxing Commissions, issued a statement, stating that "McGregor's conduct jeopardized the health and safety" of fighters who were in the cage during the Ireland event. In addition, Mr McGregor assaulted Referee Mark Goddard and a (member of) Bellator staff."[193]

Bus attack at UFC 223 Media Day

On 3 April 2018, Khabib Nurmagomedov and Artem Lobov had a minor altercation, in which Nurmagomedov cornered Lobov at a hotel in Brooklyn, New York. Lobov is known to be close to McGregor, with whom Nurmagomedov has had altercations and trash talk exchanges.[194] The two groups have a lengthy history of insults and confrontations.

On 5 April 2018, during promotional appearances for UFC 223, McGregor and a group of about twenty others were let into the Barclays Center by credentialed members of his promotional team. They attempted to confront Nurmagomedov, who was on a bus leaving the arena with "red corner" fighters for UFC 223 on it, such as Rose Namajunas, Al Iaquinta, Karolina Kowalkiewicz, Ray Borg, and Michael Chiesa.[195] McGregor ran up alongside the slowly moving bus and then ran past it to grab a metal equipment dolly, which he then threw at the bus's window, before trying to throw other objects in the vicinity.[196] Chiesa and Borg were injured by the shattered glass and sent to hospital. They were soon removed from the card on the advice of the NYSAC and the UFC's medical team.[197] Lobov was also pulled from his fight for his involvement in the dispute.

Dana White said there was a warrant out for McGregor's arrest, and the NYPD said McGregor was a person of interest.[198] White said McGregor had told him via text message: "This had to be done."[199] "You can imagine he's going to be sued beyond belief", White said, and denied suggestions that the violence was a publicity stunt intended to generate interest in the UFC.[200] McGregor and others involved initially fled the Barclays Center after the incident,[201] although he and a fellow accused turned themselves in that night. McGregor was charged with three counts of assault and one count of criminal mischief.[202][203] He was further charged with menacing and reckless endangerment at his arraignment, and released on $50,000 bail until 14 June 2018.[204][205] Under the bail conditions negotiated by his then attorney, Jim Walden, and set by the judge, McGregor was allowed to travel without restriction.[206][207] On 12 April 2018, McGregor hired lawyer Bruce Mafeo of Cozen O'Connor to represent him in this matter.[208] McGregor pleaded no contest to a count of disorderly conduct and was ordered to perform five days of community service and attend anger management classes.[209] On 12 September 2018, Chiesa announced a lawsuit against McGregor, saying that he "experienced pain, suffering and a loss of enjoyment of life" as a result of the attack.[210]

Incident at UFC 229

Main article: UFC 229 § Nurmagomedov–McGregor post-fight controversy
Following the fight at UFC 229 on 6 October 2018, Khabib Nurmagomedov jumped out of the cage and charged towards McGregor's training partner Dillon Danis. Soon afterwards, McGregor and Abubakar Nurmagomedov, Khabib's cousin, also attempted to exit the octagon, but a scuffle broke out after McGregor punched Abubakar, who then punched him back.[211] Two of Nurmagomedov's cornermen retaliated: Esed Emiragaev and Zubaira Tukhugov.[212] Tukhugov was scheduled to fight on 27 October 2018 at UFC Fight Night: Volkan vs. Smith against Artem Lobov, the McGregor team member who was confronted by Nurmagomedov in April 2018. Nurmagomedov's payment for the fight was withheld by the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) as a result, pending an investigation into his actions. Nurmagomedov appeared at the post-fight interview and apologized to the NSAC.[213]

The NSAC filed a formal complaint against both McGregor and Nurmagomedov, and on 24 October, the NSAC voted to release half of Nurmagomedov's $2 million fight payout immediately.[citation needed] Both Nurmagomedov and McGregor received indefinite bans, at least until the official hearing, which took place in December 2018.[214] On 29 January 2019, the NSAC announced a six-month suspension for McGregor, (retroactive to 6 October 2018) and a $50,000 fine. He became eligible to compete again on 6 April 2019.[215]

Dublin sexual assault allegations

In March 2019, The New York Times reported that McGregor was under investigation by the Irish police, following allegations of a sexual assault on a woman in a Dublin hotel in December 2018.[216] A second allegation of sexual assault was reported on in October 2019, regarding an assault on a woman in a car alleged to have taken place earlier that month.[217]

In January 2021, after prosecutors declined to prosecute McGregor for the 2018 alleged sexual assault, a civil claim for damages was launched in the High Court. A spokeswoman for McGregor said in a statement that the allegations against McGregor were "categorically rejected" and that McGregor is "confident that justice will prevail" in the civil case.[218][219] In March 2022, the High Court made a pre-trial discovery order against McGregor in the case. The order requires the Gardaí to disclose certain information and documents gathered by them.[220]

Florida robbery arrest

On 11 March 2019, McGregor was arrested outside of the Fontainebleau Hotel in Miami Beach, Florida after he attacked a fan taking a picture with a cellphone. In an incident that was caught on CCTV, McGregor lunged to hit the man, grabbed his device and smashed it on the ground with his feet. Subsequently he was arrested and charged with strong-armed robbery and criminal mischief.[221] McGregor was held in custody for several hours before being released on a $5,000 bond. On 14 March 2019, news surfaced that McGregor was also facing a civil lawsuit from the fan involved in the incident.[222] On 8 April, the civil lawsuit against McGregor was dropped by the fan.[223] On 13 May, it was revealed that the criminal charges against McGregor had also been dropped after the accuser's attorney said that his client had "been made whole" by McGregor, in a reference to an out-of-court settlement that was reached.[224][225]

Dublin pub assault

On 15 August 2019, TMZ Sports published a video that showed McGregor punching an older man at The Marble Arch Pub in Dublin.[226] The incident happened on 6 April and was originally reported by Irish media, although without the video that showed the attack.[227] McGregor had repeatedly offered the victim a shot of his whiskey, which the victim repeatedly declined, then McGregor had punched him.[227] Irish police stated that they had opened an investigation.[228] McGregor was charged with assault and first appeared in court on 11 October 2019.[227] The court heard that McGregor had 18 prior convictions from 2018 going back to 2009.[227] The majority were for driving offences, but he was given the Probation Act in 2009 when he was an apprentice plumber for an assault causing harm offence.[227] On 1 November, McGregor pleaded guilty to the assault and was fined €1,000.[229][227]

Corsica arrest

On 10 September 2020, McGregor was arrested on the French island of Corsica on suspicion of attempted sexual assault and indecent exposure for an incident alleged to have taken place in a bar. After being held in custody for two days while being interviewed by police, he was released without charge.[230][231][232] Eight months later, French authorities dropped the investigation due to insufficient evidence.[233][234]

Altercation with Machine Gun Kelly

McGregor was involved in an altercation with recording artist Machine Gun Kelly (MGK) at the 2021 MTV Video Music Awards, held at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York on 12 September 2021. After exchanging a few words, McGregor attempted to throw a punch at MGK, which did not land. Both were held back by guards and others who walked on the red carpet. No charges were filed and police were not involved, but the scuffle was widely reported in the media.[235][236][237][238]

Alleged attack on Francesco Facchinetti

On 17 October 2021, McGregor allegedly assaulted Francesco Facchinetti, an Italian musician and TV presenter, in a nightclub in Rome, breaking Facchinetti's nose in front of witnesses and bodyguards. A few days later, Facchinetti filed charges against McGregor for the attack.[239][240][241][242][243]

Alleged attack on yacht

In January 2023, McGregor was accused of assaulting a 42-year-old woman aboard his yacht in Ibiza, Spain, during his birthday party on July 22, 2022. The woman claimed she was berated by McGregor before being physically assaulted. She further claimed that she was forced to jump from the yacht to escape McGregor and that she sustained a broken arm in the process. The woman did not file a formal statement with Spanish police at the time of the incident. In January, she gave a formal statement with Irish police, who then shared that statement with their Spanish counterparts. The woman has also filed a civil suit against McGregor over the alleged incident.[244][245][246] After making her formal statement, the woman's car was set ablaze outside of her Dublin home.[247] In February, a brick was reportedly thrown through a window of that residence.[248] In late February 2023, news surfaced that the lawsuit was discontinued by the plaintiff, with no further information provided.[249]

Miami 2023

Punching the Miami Heat mascot
On 10 June, 2023, McGregor appeared at Game Four of the 2023 NBA Finals in Miami, Florida, to promote his pain relief spray in a planned skit with the Miami Heat's mascot, Burnie. McGregor proceeded to punch the man wearing the mascot costume once, and then again when the man was on the ground. The man was subsequently treated in a local hospital emergency room, and later released. Most of the crowd in attendance booed McGregor for his actions.[250][251] On June 13, three days after the incident, McGregor claimed that "it was a skit," and that "and all is well" between the two.[252][253]

Alleged sexual assault
On 11 June, Miami police received a report that McGregor had sexually assaulted a woman the previous night in a restroom at the arena after Game Four of the NBA Finals. They are investigating.[254] McGregor released a statement via the Kessler PR Group, a public relations and crisis management group, denying the allegation.[255]
 
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Had to google who he was, name was only slightly familiar but couldn't place why. And his wiki page section for "controversies" is an exasperating journey of no self-control followed by minimal lasting consequences. The nature of the format dilutes the gravity of a few however.
I don't know why it is, but it seems people who are professionally violent end up being pretty violent people.
 

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I don't know why it is, but it seems people who are professionally violent end up being pretty violent people.
I suspect the cause and effect might be the other way round: violent people are more inclined to become professional fighters. Some of them then manage to become a lot more self-disciplined than others.
 

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I suspect the cause and effect might be the other way round: violent people are more inclined to become professional fighters. Some of them then manage to become a lot more self-disciplined than others.
Maybe the brain damage accumulated over the course of a violent career causes them to be even more violent and short tempered.
 

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Maybe the brain damage accumulated over the course of a violent career causes them to be even more violent and short tempered.
Possibly. I think in some cases they just get famous and rich, they get arrogant, encouraged by sycophantic hangers-on, etc. and start thinking they can do what they want with few repercussions. Partly because, er, they kind of can due to the power they now have.
 
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I am surprised Jackson has that kind of clout and that really speaks volumes about "theories" of how sexual assault victims should "behave" and "respond" versus how reality works and what happens when applied on the field.

To most Chiefs fans Jackson is a jackass and wart that people wish his brother Patrick would remove so seeing this response is crazy to me to say the least.

Hell it makes me fear the hypothetically of if you replace Jackson with Patrick and its a scarier thought.
 

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Look, I could agree with this but that probably requires cases not being covered from the start. Eg. They cant cover school shootings or when a body is found
Could always just not name the accused or alleged victim(s) (if living) to reduce the odds of extrajudicial punishments being levied against either prior to the trial. We already do this for juveniles accused of many crimes, albeit not primarily for that reason.

Secondly, trials being transparent can contribute to public trust in the justice system, because people tend not to trust hidden processes and will suspect they may be rigged and made unfair - plus of course the trials may also actually be easier for malicious people to subvert.
I mean, I'm all for having almost every trial subject to video recording and those recordings made available on request free of charge to any member of the public who wishes to see them. I desperately think this should be done for the upcoming Trump trials specifically so that the evidence can be pointed out to the public, so everyone can see exactly how solid of a case it is without having to rely on third hand accounts from media talking heads (because the Fox/Newsmax talking heads will be saying very different things than say the MSNBC talking heads).

Then you'd be down to the people who just ignored the trial and continue to spout whatever they believed before the evidence was public. But they can't be convinced regardless, and pointing to the actual evidence may help sway onlookers.