Why I think the ME3 fans are actually mad

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RafaelNegrus

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To start with, I am a big Mass Effect fan, but since I lost my saves and need to replay the first two to get my Shepard back I did not buy ME3 at the beginning, and then I started hearing the news, as all of us have.

I think this issue comes down to more than just the ending, even though most people admit that the ending is terrible. I think the reason this has been so bad, and gone on for so long, is a sense of a lack of respect.

There's a sense of a lack of respect from Bioware itself, that it rushed a bad ending in its game and that it may very well try to sell DLC to make it better. This impression is not improved from Bioware statements that they would not do exactly what they did, or by putting out day 1 DLC.

But that's not the reason this flame war has gone on since the game has come out. This has continued, in my mind, because fans legitimate critiques have been openly derided by the gaming media, in what some have called a conspiracy and what I think is more likely to be just an emotional disconnect with fans.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/22/gaming-journalisms-problem-isnt-being-beholden-to-companies/

Instead of getting statements along the lines of "yes, the ending was bad for reasons X,Y, and Z" fans got called entitled and derided as immature children. Yes, some of them have acted like that but in characterizing the entire group as acting like that gaming journalism has gone too far. And if fans are getting disrespected by the mainstream media, gaming companies, AND gaming media, why shouldn't they be mad about that?

There are many people who say the attacks against Bioware threaten gaming as an art form, all the while claiming that we as gamers should seek no validation from non-gamers. I don't think validation from non-gamers is necessarily all that important, but I think respect from within the gaming community in general IS. Because if game companies are going to just treat us like walking wallets, then why should we treat them as artists? And if game journalism doesn't watch out for consumers against the exploitations of the companies, why shouldn't we think that the two are in league together?
 
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That's a actually a very good point.

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Feel free to disregard the incoming onslaught of 'stay out of the basement' jokes.
 

Fappy

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That's why I am mad about about the whole situation really. I feel like Bioware just threw away something amazing for some quick cash.
 

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I am mad!
How did you know?
Are you following me?

Look ever since I played the ending and did my own "WTF!" I've been convinced that Bioware have done this deliberately, created an ending that would cause discussion, then a month later they would say "Had you fooled! here's the real ending!.
However it's now blown up in their faces, three weeks after the american release the controversy still hasn't died down and what ever happens from this point they have lost a great number of fans.

I many be wrong (it has been known to happen) but that's my take on it.
 

Zhukov

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When I clicked on this thread I was already warming up my sarcasm engine to generate an unkind and pithy remark.

But that was actually an interesting and reasonable post.
 

rickthetrick

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The whole thing was set up to sell DLC. That's the thing we should be worried about. How long before every game asks you to shell out another 10 bucks to see the ending?
 

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You know, I have actually wondered about how every single game critic has fallen in line behind the "games are art and thus may not be subject to constructive criticism or god forbid, change even"-argument. All the talk about "dangerous precedent" and whatnot seems... very one-sided, to say the least.

Of course, game journalists do have a different view on the industry than we have. But I missed a more multi-angled approach from somewhere in the writing community. I was actually holding my breath for this week's Extra Punctuation, but Yahtzee also saw "dangerous precedent" on Bioware talking about appeasing the fans.

That said, one big problem is that lots and lots of us aren't on their best behaviour. Sadly, people (on both sides of the argument) resort to the kind of language that would earn them a good punch in the nose if they employed it in an old-fashioned barstool conversation. Too many people who enjoy the internet's lack of accountability a bit too much. And those are always the loudest. And some critics get away with too much as well. I think that MovieBob person hasn't been reprimanded by the Escapist for his badmouthing the fans via Twitter since forum rules don't apply there, but since he gets to advertise his Twitter account via the magazine, you got a double standart right there. I'm not saying people should be allowed to insult and attack him here, but this kind of treatment gets people even more riled up. Which leads to more inappropriate behaviour, which leads to more bad press about the player base, and stuff goes on.
 

RafaelNegrus

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Thanks for the welcomes guys, and the cooling of the sarcasm engine :)

It is unfortunate that these conversations do become flame wars. I think if we truly feel games are an art form then it should be saddening whenever one fails to live up to its potential, as many feel Mass Effect has done (I for one had initially hoped that ME3 would branch off in so many different directions that there could be no spoilers for my Shepard, and as soon as I heard that it wasn't so I knew that I would be disappointed by it no matter what else happened).

If we are to advance gaming we can't be content with mediocrity and disappointment, and I am disturbed by attacks on fans by the gaming industry stifling that discontent, even though some do take that too far.
 

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Best first post ever. All of those points are true, Seemingly important DLC bullshit, and every journalist and counter troll throwing out two or three key words and completely missing the point. We aren't upset that the ending was sunshine and rainbows, we are upset because it sucked.
 

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RafaelNegrus said:
Thanks for the welcomes guys, and the cooling of the sarcasm engine :)

It is unfortunate that these conversations do become flame wars. I think if we truly feel games are an art form then it should be saddening whenever one fails to live up to its potential, as many feel Mass Effect has done (I for one had initially hoped that ME3 would branch off in so many different directions that there could be no spoilers for my Shepard, and as soon as I heard that it wasn't so I knew that I would be disappointed by it no matter what else happened).

If we are to advance gaming we can't be content with mediocrity and disappointment, and I am disturbed by attacks on fans by the gaming industry stifling that discontent, even though some do take that too far.
Publishers don't like it when we fight against their marketing campaign hype-machines. They prefer us impressionable and aloof.
 
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Fappy said:
RafaelNegrus said:
Thanks for the welcomes guys, and the cooling of the sarcasm engine :)

It is unfortunate that these conversations do become flame wars. I think if we truly feel games are an art form then it should be saddening whenever one fails to live up to its potential, as many feel Mass Effect has done (I for one had initially hoped that ME3 would branch off in so many different directions that there could be no spoilers for my Shepard, and as soon as I heard that it wasn't so I knew that I would be disappointed by it no matter what else happened).

If we are to advance gaming we can't be content with mediocrity and disappointment, and I am disturbed by attacks on fans by the gaming industry stifling that discontent, even though some do take that too far.
Publishers don't like it when we fight against their marketing campaign hype-machines. They prefer us impressionable and aloof.
fight against their marketing campaign hype-machines.
marketing campaign hype-machines.
hype-machines.
Reapers! The Reapers are real!

Nooooooooooooo!
 

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I'll admit, the title had me worried, but that's a very nicely argued point with probably more than a kernal of truth to it and a refreshingly different take on the issue. Very nice first post indeed.
 

Fappy

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Daystar Clarion said:
Fappy said:
RafaelNegrus said:
Thanks for the welcomes guys, and the cooling of the sarcasm engine :)

It is unfortunate that these conversations do become flame wars. I think if we truly feel games are an art form then it should be saddening whenever one fails to live up to its potential, as many feel Mass Effect has done (I for one had initially hoped that ME3 would branch off in so many different directions that there could be no spoilers for my Shepard, and as soon as I heard that it wasn't so I knew that I would be disappointed by it no matter what else happened).

If we are to advance gaming we can't be content with mediocrity and disappointment, and I am disturbed by attacks on fans by the gaming industry stifling that discontent, even though some do take that too far.
Publishers don't like it when we fight against their marketing campaign hype-machines. They prefer us impressionable and aloof.
fight against their marketing campaign hype-machines.
marketing campaign hype-machines.

hype-machines.
Reapers! The Reapers are real!

Nooooooooooooo!

The cycle will continue whether we like it or not :(
 
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Fappy said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Fappy said:
RafaelNegrus said:
Thanks for the welcomes guys, and the cooling of the sarcasm engine :)

It is unfortunate that these conversations do become flame wars. I think if we truly feel games are an art form then it should be saddening whenever one fails to live up to its potential, as many feel Mass Effect has done (I for one had initially hoped that ME3 would branch off in so many different directions that there could be no spoilers for my Shepard, and as soon as I heard that it wasn't so I knew that I would be disappointed by it no matter what else happened).

If we are to advance gaming we can't be content with mediocrity and disappointment, and I am disturbed by attacks on fans by the gaming industry stifling that discontent, even though some do take that too far.
Publishers don't like it when we fight against their marketing campaign hype-machines. They prefer us impressionable and aloof.
fight against their marketing campaign hype-machines.
marketing campaign hype-machines.

hype-machines.
Reapers! The Reapers are real!

Nooooooooooooo!

The cycle will continue whether we like it or not :(
Shit, is this playing out like an accelerated version of Mass Effect?

As the first to discover their motives, that must mean I'm Commander Shep-awwww shit.
 

RafaelNegrus

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Fappy said:
RafaelNegrus said:
Thanks for the welcomes guys, and the cooling of the sarcasm engine :)

It is unfortunate that these conversations do become flame wars. I think if we truly feel games are an art form then it should be saddening whenever one fails to live up to its potential, as many feel Mass Effect has done (I for one had initially hoped that ME3 would branch off in so many different directions that there could be no spoilers for my Shepard, and as soon as I heard that it wasn't so I knew that I would be disappointed by it no matter what else happened).

If we are to advance gaming we can't be content with mediocrity and disappointment, and I am disturbed by attacks on fans by the gaming industry stifling that discontent, even though some do take that too far.
Publishers don't like it when we fight against their marketing campaign hype-machines. They prefer us impressionable and aloof.
I'm not sure if this is really the case, and I'll use Yahtzee as my example. I doubt he is overly influenced by EA or Bioware, but he has been in the industry for so long that he has become rather cynical. He takes this kind of thing for granted and sees it as normal, meaning they do not get called to task for failing to meet their own potential. And he's one of the better critics out there, many of the others mostly judge games based on technical proficiency, which all of us should agree is really just a baseline, not a mark of what can be termed art.
 

Fappy

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Daystar Clarion said:
Fappy said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Fappy said:
RafaelNegrus said:
Thanks for the welcomes guys, and the cooling of the sarcasm engine :)

It is unfortunate that these conversations do become flame wars. I think if we truly feel games are an art form then it should be saddening whenever one fails to live up to its potential, as many feel Mass Effect has done (I for one had initially hoped that ME3 would branch off in so many different directions that there could be no spoilers for my Shepard, and as soon as I heard that it wasn't so I knew that I would be disappointed by it no matter what else happened).

If we are to advance gaming we can't be content with mediocrity and disappointment, and I am disturbed by attacks on fans by the gaming industry stifling that discontent, even though some do take that too far.
Publishers don't like it when we fight against their marketing campaign hype-machines. They prefer us impressionable and aloof.
fight against their marketing campaign hype-machines.
marketing campaign hype-machines.

hype-machines.
Reapers! The Reapers are real!

Nooooooooooooo!

The cycle will continue whether we like it or not :(
Shit, is this playing out like an accelerated version of Mass Effect?

As the first to discover their motives, that must mean I'm Commander Shep-awwww shit.
I guess that makes me Liara....

Question: can Asari masturbate?

>.>
 
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Fappy said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Fappy said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Fappy said:
RafaelNegrus said:
Thanks for the welcomes guys, and the cooling of the sarcasm engine :)

It is unfortunate that these conversations do become flame wars. I think if we truly feel games are an art form then it should be saddening whenever one fails to live up to its potential, as many feel Mass Effect has done (I for one had initially hoped that ME3 would branch off in so many different directions that there could be no spoilers for my Shepard, and as soon as I heard that it wasn't so I knew that I would be disappointed by it no matter what else happened).

If we are to advance gaming we can't be content with mediocrity and disappointment, and I am disturbed by attacks on fans by the gaming industry stifling that discontent, even though some do take that too far.
Publishers don't like it when we fight against their marketing campaign hype-machines. They prefer us impressionable and aloof.
fight against their marketing campaign hype-machines.
marketing campaign hype-machines.

hype-machines.
Reapers! The Reapers are real!

Nooooooooooooo!

The cycle will continue whether we like it or not :(
Shit, is this playing out like an accelerated version of Mass Effect?

As the first to discover their motives, that must mean I'm Commander Shep-awwww shit.
I guess that makes me Liara....

Question: can Asari masturbate?

>.>
Don't get any funny ideas.

Where's Garrus? I was promised that there would be a Garrus.
 

Fappy

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Daystar Clarion said:
Fappy said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Fappy said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Fappy said:
RafaelNegrus said:
Thanks for the welcomes guys, and the cooling of the sarcasm engine :)

It is unfortunate that these conversations do become flame wars. I think if we truly feel games are an art form then it should be saddening whenever one fails to live up to its potential, as many feel Mass Effect has done (I for one had initially hoped that ME3 would branch off in so many different directions that there could be no spoilers for my Shepard, and as soon as I heard that it wasn't so I knew that I would be disappointed by it no matter what else happened).

If we are to advance gaming we can't be content with mediocrity and disappointment, and I am disturbed by attacks on fans by the gaming industry stifling that discontent, even though some do take that too far.
Publishers don't like it when we fight against their marketing campaign hype-machines. They prefer us impressionable and aloof.
fight against their marketing campaign hype-machines.
marketing campaign hype-machines.

hype-machines.
Reapers! The Reapers are real!

Nooooooooooooo!

The cycle will continue whether we like it or not :(
Shit, is this playing out like an accelerated version of Mass Effect?

As the first to discover their motives, that must mean I'm Commander Shep-awwww shit.
I guess that makes me Liara....

Question: can Asari masturbate?

>.>
Don't get any funny ideas.

Where's Garrus? I was promised that there would be a Garrus.
I have Garrus on this disk here.

That will be 10 dollars.

>:)
 
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Fappy said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Fappy said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Fappy said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Fappy said:
RafaelNegrus said:
Thanks for the welcomes guys, and the cooling of the sarcasm engine :)

It is unfortunate that these conversations do become flame wars. I think if we truly feel games are an art form then it should be saddening whenever one fails to live up to its potential, as many feel Mass Effect has done (I for one had initially hoped that ME3 would branch off in so many different directions that there could be no spoilers for my Shepard, and as soon as I heard that it wasn't so I knew that I would be disappointed by it no matter what else happened).

If we are to advance gaming we can't be content with mediocrity and disappointment, and I am disturbed by attacks on fans by the gaming industry stifling that discontent, even though some do take that too far.
Publishers don't like it when we fight against their marketing campaign hype-machines. They prefer us impressionable and aloof.
fight against their marketing campaign hype-machines.
marketing campaign hype-machines.

hype-machines.
Reapers! The Reapers are real!

Nooooooooooooo!

The cycle will continue whether we like it or not :(
Shit, is this playing out like an accelerated version of Mass Effect?

As the first to discover their motives, that must mean I'm Commander Shep-awwww shit.
I guess that makes me Liara....

Question: can Asari masturbate?

>.>
Don't get any funny ideas.

Where's Garrus? I was promised that there would be a Garrus.
I have Garrus on this disk here.

That will be 10 dollars.

>:)
Only 10?


I'll take 7.