Why Wrestling is on Syfy, and why it makes sense

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SadakoMoose

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Alot of people, myself included, were a bit baffled when Sci Fi Channel first started showing wrestling programs. After all, that was OUR network. It was where my late great father first exposed me to MST3K and Quantum Leap and Captain Scarlet! How dare they, right?
But then I started watching. And it turns out I really like wrestling. I'm actually a mega wrestling nerd and an aspiring wrestler myself now, ala Travis Touchdown.
But enough about that, let's talk about Smackdown...

I know what it looks like.

"The Network is diluted! It's lost touch with the fans! Now it's showing garbage TV! I don't like wrestling! Why do they keep showing reality TV!?"

I get these reactions, but honestly, this isn't an attempt to force wrestling on anyone. This is just the bi-product of network politics and good business decisions.

Smackdown started life on the Paramount owned UPN channel, where it usually had the best ratings on the station. Then in 2006 came the American Broadcast Realignment, when the Warner owned WB merged with UPN to create the CW Network. Smackdown then had to jump ship to the Fox owned MyNetwork TV, a WB competitor, where it started getting the best ratings on the channel. In late 2009, MyNetwork TV announced the cancellation of all it's original programming, save for the wrestling, to become a syndication only network. Seeing the writing on the walls, NBC Universal extended an offer to the WWE.

You see, RAW was the WWE's flagship cable program, often doing the best ratings for USA Network. Whereas Smackdown was the flagship terrestrial program. Because Smackdown was on a Fox owned network, it had limits on how much it could co-promote with RAW. If Vince was to move Smackdown to an NBC Universal station, he could do a lot more with the two shows, even though he'd be greatly reducing his terrestrial presence. (They have a 1 hour B show on WGN called Superstars. It never does better than a 1.5 in the ratings)
Since SyFy was the only NBC network with a slot open + shared demographics, Smackdown was put where it was. And now it draws the best ratings on SyFy.

Now he has two flagships with a single company that actually supports the WWE, and promotes them right. Other networks treat wrestling like a cheap filler program. NBC is smart, and knows that they can increase the ratings of other shows by having wrestling on next to it.
That and Vince got 30 Million dollars out of it.

I know what people have been saying. They're worried that their fave shows are less popular than what they view to be low culture. This isn't a matter of culture, nor is this any form of culture war. This isn't some kind of cockamamie Jocks vs Nerds thing, like The Today Show website tries to frame it as.

The WWF has had some form or another of National television exposure or another since the 50's, when their stars were occasionally shown on the DuMont network. Even then, it was the second wrestling promotion to get cable, on the MSG network back in the 70's.
(Georgia Championship Wrestling was first on satellite thanks to TBS in 1971)
Sci Fi started life as a niche cable channel in the early 90's.
This isn't anything like the movie Idiocracy or the March of the Morons (Hey, Mike Judge. Try finishing your scripts before you film them next time, ok?), like many internet commentators would like to think, this is just a matter of history and demographics.
No one's being undermined, no one's being pushed aside, nothing is going to happen to your favorite shows, no one is encroaching on anyone.

Why waste time hating wrestling? Why not be a little open minded and try it out once?
Nobody has to like anything if they don't want to, and you can still enjoy your favorite things unhindered. If you don't agree with SyFy's change in direction, there's plenty of good Science Fiction on the internet. Has anyone here seen Quatermass? It's pretty good.
Whatever you decide to do, don't hate wrestling for it. It never did anything to you, and you have no reason deride anyone for enjoying it.

Bashing wrestling fans, calling them F4g$, morons, comparing them to the straw men in Idiocracy, retarded, rednecks, stupid, gullible, or ignorant is both insulting and needlessly mean spirited. It's actually a little bit homophobic, if you use gay as an insult.
It's no better than bashing people for reading Fantasy novels, or listening to a specific kind of music, or for dressing different, or for playing video games.

Let's try to be civil, ok?
 

Daveman

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I don't like it because... I'm an SGU fan... and SyFy are bastards. Complete and utter bastards.
 

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I think calling itself Syfy (rather than SciFi) is signalling a shift away just Science Fiction anyway; there's not so explicit a link so you can start broadening scope without drawing so much attention to it. So yeah, may they put on what they want to. Who just turns on channels blind nowadays just to see what's on? You'll know what you want to watch, and you'll be able to easily find out when it's on. It makes sense for the network because it'll get good ratings, hopefully that'll create some space for clever and adventurous TV (of course we know it won't, but let's just say so for the sake of argument), but I don't have to watch the wrestling (I did when I was like 11, but grew out of it) unless I get afflicted by Mad Cow Disease and suddenly want to.
 

bdcjacko

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Also all their original programming and especially movies are garbage.

I did like them back in they day when they were all reruns of Transformers, Star Trek, and MST3K but other networks realized people watch those shows and bought the rights.
 

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bdcjacko said:
Also all their original programming and especially movies are garbage.

I did like them back in they day when they were all reruns of Transformers, Star Trek, and MST3K but other networks realized people watch those shows and bought the rights.
You see that's the real problem noone wants to talk about. People wanna blame the wrestling, and the network redirection, when it actually has more to do with the flood of really low quality TV movies and increasingly bad tv shows. If it wasn't for Smackdown and Gundam, I would never watch. God, I miss the late 90's...
 

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I'm in a position where I don't have cable, so it makes no difference to me. I just wait a few days, and when I have nothing to do (ususally Saturday), I go online and catch up on all the programs.

honestly, I like Smackdown. It's the best thing on Sci-Fi (more on that next paragraph). But remember ECW? NXT? Hardly anyone watched those, and (while I hope to the contrary) same thing might happen to Smackdown. Plus, friday nights are never a good timeslot, anyway.

As for Sci-Fi (NO! I will NOT spell it that other way!) itself, all it's programming has gone downhill. It became more focused on the original movies, and that was its downfall. All the remotely interesting shows ended up canceled, and all they have going for it are reruns of old shows. While I do like Star Trek TNG, Smackdown and the occasional anime, it can't sustain an entire network for me.
 

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Be warned. I have seen this happen before. They introduce new completely unrelated shows which do better than the regular programming. Sure it may be easy to put up with at first but soon they will add more and more shows to try and gain mass appeal and then BAM! Goodbye cool niche network and hello giant abomination of trash TV.

How do I know this? I once lived in a world where there was a network for nothing but gaming. 24/7 it was video games. Then it shared space with Technology which was still mostly relevant. But then one day storm clouds of doom formed overhead and more and more of my favorite shows were being pushed to the side or fused together until the network was unrecognizable. Now all that remains is a barren landscape of Cop reruns and Cheaters with one or two shows that the original audience would care about. Truly a shell of its former self.

RIP G4 (2002-2007)
 

bdcjacko

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I personally don't understand why SyFy feels the need to put up bad fan-fiction sci-fi shows and movies instead of showing good ones, or at least ones with a decent production value. I mean they should be trying to get the rights to say all the marvel movies, because lets face it super heroes are science fiction.

Also here is a crazy idea, get Will Smith as a public face for SyFy. Why Will Smith? I don't know, maybe because he stars in some of the biggest Sci-Fi movies around. Independence Day, I Robot, I am Legend (plague zombies and vampires count as science fiction as they are grounded in science), Men In Black 1 & 2, Hancock (super heroes are still sci-fi), and arguably Wild Wild West (cowboy steam punk is sorta sci-fi). I know what you are thinking, but that sells out the core audience.

By having sci-fi movies that are clearly sci-fiction that people will watch on SyFy will boost ratings, which will increase revenue, which will then let them get the more rights to properties, and they could get the rights to do say Firefly, and they would be a nerds wet dream their. They could then maybe do a cartoon or a 30 minutes show bringing the Firefly comic books to life so we know what happened in between the tv show and the movie.

But no, they want to dick around with Mega Shark, the movie. Which looks like a 13 year old wrote it, a 14 year old directed and a 16 year old did the cgi.
 

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Dispite my dislike of the "wrestling" that they air on SYFY for other reasons (it's not actual wrestling) I feel SYFY has alienated their origenal audience (just like History and G4 have) by airing things that don't appeal to them.

I do of course understand that it is a business and they are out to make a profit; but it's annoying that even as more "nerdy" thing become mainstream those things are ignored in favor of appealing to the simpletons who will watch any piece of shit that comes on.

Note: I'm not saying that everyone who watches pro wrestling is an idot, just a lot of them aren't interested in thinking about the programing they are watching. (This is a very swepping generlization used to make a point)

Edit: what they should do is, like some suggested, is make a Firefly animated series based off the comics and Joss Wedon's eventual plans for the series. It won't cost near as much as a live action show and I'd be willing to bey that most of the cast would be open to doing voice acting as it doesn't require the same level of commitment as actually beimg on set.
 

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Ranchcroutons said:
Be warned. I have seen this happen before. They introduce new completely unrelated shows which do better than the regular programming. Sure it may be easy to put up with at first but soon they will add more and more shows to try and gain mass appeal and then BAM! Goodbye cool niche network and hello giant abomination of trash TV.

How do I know this? I once lived in a world where there was a network for nothing but gaming. 24/7 it was video games. Then it shared space with Technology which was still mostly relevant. But then one day storm clouds of doom formed overhead and more and more of my favorite shows were being pushed to the side or fused together until the network was unrecognizable. Now all that remains is a barren landscape of Cop reruns and Cheaters with one or two shows that the original audience would care about. Truly a shell of its former self.

RIP G4 (2002-2007)
Oh, that'll probably happen to SyFy too in a half a decade. By then, Smackdown might have to move to another network, given how shaky things can get with the Television industry these days. I just don't want anyone to blame wrestling for this. Even then, the internet has a good chance of taking all the ground that niche stations once had. TV has to cater to a larger number of people, whereas the internet is much more flexible.
I personally welcome our Channel Awesome overlords...
 

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Not really a fan of SyFy (it's hard to inspire confidence in a channel with a nonsensical name and movies of such calibre as Frankenfish or Mansquito) but I am a big wrestling fan and if I ever earn enough money I'd like to own a wrestling promotion myself and I don't think moving to SyFy is a good thing for Smackdown. Without it SyFy would probably be doing terribly and I don't see much of an upside in moving to a failing channel.
 

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I just figure that SyFy focuses on the broader definition of "Sci-Fi" that includes all fantasy, rather than sticking with the semantic definition of science fiction. I'm a big wrestling fan, and I gotta say, does anybody disagree that wrestling is a form of fantasy show?
 

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"SyFy" stopped being the science fiction channel sometime before they took on their new moniker. They always had the campy "monster movie" stuff on there, but when it started to dominate their programming (and they cancelled the Invisible Man >.< ), I was done with 'em anyway.
 

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And see, that's the thing. The problem with having a pure science fiction channel is that it's quite limited. In general, for the past couple decades at LEAST, the term "sci-fi" has generally been used as an abbreviation for the genre defined as "science fiction and fantasy" to include popular titles like Star Wars and most of the Star Trek movies, which are not true science-fiction but rather space fantasies. Is there a big enough pure science fiction library to reasonably fill an entire station? Sure, I bet. The problem is that the station now has to focus on getting a viewership in order to survive, and unfortunately for die-hard fans of any niche market, financial survival will often require some degree of "selling out."
 

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end_boss said:
I just figure that SyFy focuses on the broader definition of "Sci-Fi" that includes all fantasy, rather than sticking with the semantic definition of science fiction. I'm a big wrestling fan, and I gotta say, does anybody disagree that wrestling is a form of fantasy show?
I do, for sure.
It's 70% unplanned and always done without re shoots or stunt work or wire fakery.
That and not too many angles are what anyone would consider fantastic or out of the ordinary.
Not too many...anyway...
Undertaker is like the only exception...Everyone else is just a normal human being
 

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loc978 said:
"SyFy" stopped being the science fiction channel sometime before they took on their new moniker. They always had the campy "monster movie" stuff on there, but when it started to dominate their programming (and they cancelled the Invisible Man >.< ), I was done with 'em anyway.
Now they've gone and canceled Caprica, one of the few well made shows in their line up.

To me, wrestling on SyFy pretty much just signaled that "Sci-Fi" has officially become NBC's dumping ground. We get it, wrestling isn't as worth its slot on USA with UFC stealing viewers. Maybe just cancel it?