Women in "Modern Warfare"...

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hansari

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Have any of you noticed the complete lack of women in the battlefield when it comes to Infinity Wards blockbuster hit? How about in other titles that reflect war?

In WW2 titles, women are accurately placed as soldiers on the Russian front and in Resistance movements in France...but how is it that developers, who don't have a problem displaying women in that time period, don't act so fairly with our own?

In Modern Warfare, the only female character is the pilot. Now the lack of female commandos in squads like the Navy Seals does reflect our current state. But what about women in the Russian army in that village assault? Or when American forces stormed on "unnamed" middle eastern nation?

Other games don't give a favorable impression as to how we gamers and developers presently view women either...

In the Halo universe, the only females present (not counting Cortana) are the pilot leaving the "Pillar of Autumn" in Halo1, and commander related to Keyes in Halo 3.

Another blockbuster, Gears of War, provides only two women in the same roles as well. One is a pilot, the other is an officer talking in your earpiece far away.

So it would seem that as things stand today, the presence of women in our games about war must fit into two categories. In looking at Modern Warfare, Halo, and Gears, women must...

- Take a role separate of the dangers of war. (like the ones working in the safety of HQ)
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- If they must be in battle, take a role that separates you from standing in the middle of all that testosterone. (like being a pilot)

The reason I bring this up and go out of my way to pick on Modern Warfare (despite how it is not the only guilty party), is just how funny its name is once you think about it.

I mean, we call it "Modern Warfare" for no other reason than the fact that it abandons WW2 armaments for current military tech. And yet it looks over one of the things that makes our military so different from those of the past. One crucial thing that makes us modern!!

So I guess this does ask a few questions...

1) How do you think this reflects developers? I don't think they are sexist, but do you think they don't believe women are integral in war? Is it possible that not a single member working on Modern Warfare walked up to his teammates and said, "maybe we should throw in some more female npc's..."?

2) How do you think this reflects us gamers? This is something we have all noticed at one time or another, but is the fact that we don't make a big deal about it signify that we, in a way, agree with it? That its appropriate for women to serve in the two present roles I listed? Would the presences of more female soldiers fighting by your side change the gameplay positively, negatively, or not at all?

3) How do you think this affects our appearance to outsiders? To the arguments that other people make that video games aren't really a serious medium like books/television/films can be?

4) How do you think this affects our appearance to women? There is already discussions on an absence of female protagonists, but does the absence of women merely appearing present in certain situations turn-off potential female gamers? Have any of you women reading this feel it makes a difference?

5) What are your expectations of this trend changing. Do you expect to see things differently in Modern Warfare 2? ;)

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*I understand that women only make up about 15% of our current US armed forces...but looking at video games, it seems to reflect that percentage as being less that 2%...
 

Radeonx

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Actually, there are a fair amount of women marines in Halo. But whatever.
I don't see why it matters that much. It's not like you make a connection to every unit you kill, every ally you have, or anything other then the main character.
 

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I think it was someone at Bungie who once said:

It's just a f**king game.
It isn't meant to represent a realistic account of war as it would be annoying to have to restart any level within 20 seconds of starting it.
 

rebmcr

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Ummm... a few more in the Halo series...

The pelican pilot (foehammer) in H:CE was female (or at least sounded like it ;¬).

Also, Miranda Keyes in H2.
 

MiracleOfSound

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Hmmm ever seen GI Jane?

It goes on about how men react more emotionally on the battlefield when they see a woman get hurt.

Maybe we gamers, as a male dominated bunch might find it hard to see lil' ladies get their heads blown to bits. Our maculine protective nature might fuck with our heads.

Case in point: A certain game where a girl you love gets murdered, anyone who's played it knows how much that moment hurt.
 

Kuchinawa212

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Then you feel like you need to muck it up with a love story or something silly like that.

Add women if you like, that's fine with me, but NEVER compromise a game because you feel like you needed shoehorn a love story in there
 

AkJay

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If they did add woman, you know radical feminists would say that "Infinity Ward is for the death of women in video-games!", right now I'm surprised radical feminists haven't said "Infinity Ward isn't fair it does not feature woman!", my point is, you cannot defeat a radical non-nonsensical feminist.
 
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hansari said:
In the Halo universe, the only females present (not counting Cortana) are the pilot leaving the "Pillar of Autumn" in Halo1, and commander related to Keyes in Halo 3.
There have been plenty more women marines in Halo 2 and 3, plus Dare in ODST
I remember fighting alongside a good amount of female troops, and they weren't just pilots.

edit: Plus, in Fallout 3, there are lots of female security guards in Rivit City, a good amount of female Enclave commanders were women and there was the leader of the Brotherhood of Steel Squad Lyon's Pride (can't remember her name)

And thats not counting all the female raiders/slavers you find in the waste.

And most may not count towards armed forces, but in that game, The Brotherhood and Enclave are the closest thing to militaries.

Sure, it may not count towards modern military shooters, but seeing as you mentioned Halo and Gears, I'm assuming you aren't talking about just shooters based on current times.
 

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Well, the SAS does not allow women, so there goes half the space for a woman. Another point is simply because there are not that many women on front line duty. But yes, one or two would have been nice.

Oh and interestingly enough, I don't think a UK woman has been killed in the middle east so far.
 

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Call of Duty is not here to challenge the status quo, it is here to entertain the masses. There are some elements of the masses that don't feel comfortable sacrificing their female comrades much less killing female opponents. Infinity ward would be fools to offend that market share to appease the likes of you, especially since you will most likely buy the game weather or not it satisfies your views of women in the military.

If you are so sure gaming needs to feature women in combat rolls make a mod and see how popular it gets.
 

Supreme Unleaded

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Because the nerd that sits at his computer will cry when he see's her die.

O.T. I don't know, they should add more female charactors but as i said above, if its a Infinity Ward game, the female will die leaving only men of course. Think about it, even if you where a female in the U.S. part (CoD 4), you would have died from the nuclear explosion. And for all we knew (before we saw footage of Modern Warfare 2) you could have been a female since your a silent protagonist with only a very strange name to go by.

Aparaenlt if a girl dies the world turns upside down but when a guy gies its like "Oh well, he was going to die anyway"
 

Saul B

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Lets be honest here. Does a woman really fit the role of a chainsaw wielding curb stomping squad member in GoW? Short answer: no.
 

J-Alfred

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...the pilot in CoD 4 is the reason you get killed by a nuke.

just kidding, of course. I think that the lack of women is all due to the target demographic. when developers make these games, they're aiming them at college guys. and college guys always want to be in control of the manliest man possible whenever they play an FPS. The addition of women would just make things awkward when the totally stereotyped men start busting out the dick jokes and talking about sex and stuff.
 

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Saul B said:
Lets be honest here. Does a woman really fit the role of a chainsaw wielding curb stomping squad member in GoW? Short answer: no.
i don't know about that. I have seen some women boxers and I don't think I want to face them let alone one of them with a chainsaw assault rifle. But if your talking about the sterotype then yeah.
 
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In my country's army women are far below 2% of staff. Only medical(rare) or officer(even more rare) roles. The compulsory conscription also only takes men, so there are NO women among conscripts.

sasquatch99 said:
I think it was someone at Bungie who once said:

It's just a f**king game.
It isn't meant to represent a realistic account of war as it would be annoying to have to restart any level within 20 seconds of starting it.
No restart, dude. You have to wait for the next round, or get permabanned(depends on the admin).