World War Z (the movie) just isn't very good

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Johnny Novgorod

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I haven't read the book. I hear it's very good, and that it's supposed to be THE zombie book. The book supposedly elevated zombies and their associated tropes into "serious literature", and so does the movie attempt to elevate them into "serious filmmaking". It doesn't work, and you have to look no further than the bloody script to understand why. Here you have a team of four people who worked totally and entirely alone on the script, each with their own ideas about what the movie should be about and feel like.

The movie can't decide if it's a disaster film, an action-adventure flick, a conspiracy thriller or a horror movie. It starts out as one, switches to another, forgets the previous two and ends on a radically different note. It goes for grabs in all directions and in the end you're left with nothing much of anything. It's a sloppy, incoherent jumble of tone, style, rhythm and genre, with some good dispersed ideas but no soul to speak of.

We have J. Michael Straczynski, who took Max Brooks' book and tried to join all the loose narrative into some sort of political conspiracy thriller. Then that gets more or less scrapped, and Matthew Michael Carnahan writes over parts of it, basically painting action scenes over it. Then we get one bloke from Lost - Damon Lindelof - to rewrite the ending AFTER they've already shot it. But he doesn't finish it, and so they bring in ANOTHER bloke from Lost, Drew Goddard, to finish it. Would you believe me if I told you, you can practically see where one bloke stopped writing and the next bloke took it up? This movie is incoherent from the inside-out. It's like they rebooted the damn shot every time they had to shoot a new scene, or the act was over.

I'll go into the pros and cons now. There're some minor spoilers, but nothing you wouldn't find in your average review, I promise.

- The first thing I can think of is the final act. It's really that good. Classy suspense right there.

- There's some interesting little concepts I picked up here and there. Early in the movie there's a nifty scene that shows us exactly how much time it takes to "zombify", and it's done in a pretty clever and ominous way. Pitt takes smart precautions, like duct-taping a magazine around his forearm in case of biting. And I'm always interested to see how a new zombie movie deals with tropes like "does hacking the infected limb stop the infection?" and stuff like that.

- The zombies themselves aren't very impressive, but I liked what an unstoppable force of power they become in the movie. I usually call BS on movies where a fully armed task force gets overpowered by zombies, but in this movie I bought that every single time.

- Some loose scenes are very good. The initial disaster plays out nicely, even though it looks a LOT like a 9/11 double-take. Is it just me or suddenly every movie to feature an attack on a US city has a 9/11 thing going on? Iron Man 3, Man of Steel, now this...
- You know the big zombie stampede scenes from the trailers? Those are about the most visually impressive takes from the movie. Everything else is poorly lit, poorly cut shaky-cam stock.

- Each act in this movie seems to be divorced from each other in terms of tone, style, rhythm and even genre. The movie starts out as an OK disaster film, switches to BS shaky-cam action-adventure scenes, then goes into full-fledged horror/suspense for the final act. The third act is pretty good and makes everything else feel like the mediocre crap it is. But the movie is just too incoherent from one minute to the next.

- Everybody in this movie is boring, boring, boring, beginning with Pitt's character and his sadsack family. He never gets a personality beyond being weary and overly determined. His wife and kids are just there to act as baggage motivation for him, without there being any meaningful relationship between them. There're a few other characters that crop now and then in the movie, but they hardly do anything other than pose and provide some shallow coloring to the cast. Nobody to care for or fear for, except for Pitt, because he's the star.

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I plan to see it anyway, and I'll probably enjoy it, but it sucks to hear that it's getting a bad reception because it doesn't live up to the book.

I understand how book fans get annoyed at the films, I got a little irritable when watching the Harry Potter films.

The main reason I'm looking forward to War Z is because I've seen pretty much all the good zombie flics I can think of, and I welcome a new one that isn't some B-movie or low budget thing.
 

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That's what I was fearing. The only reason I was interested in this movie was the interesting new take on the zombies, namely how they act in a fashion that I recognize as "ant-y". I mean, have you seen how large flocks of ants in the jungle cooperate to reach high areas and overpower huge foes? It's just like how the zombies do it in this movie and I thought it was pretty nifty.
 

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I haven't read the book, so I can't make any comparisons, but I absolutely agree that the movie is unfocused.

There is good stuff, good ideas, in there, but it's all over the place. It tries to do a lot of things, but doesn't really nail most of them. Maybe the book also does this and succeeds, probably because it has a lot more headroom compared to the limited running time of a movie. But yeah, messy is a good way to describe the movie.
 

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I will be going to see it, however it's been so massively over-hyped so too many people will be going in with high expectations so even if the film is good, but not great people may still think it was bad. It's gonna be a few more days till it's out properly here so we will see.
 

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The main problem i saw from the trailer is the mutant hive mind zombies that look like the cgi monsters from I am Legend.

It a shame thought the book is pretty cool especially how the Russians and The USA beat the zombies and the contrast between styles.
 

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I understand not judging a book by it's cover (or in this case, it's trailer) but I knew it would suck. You take a fantastic book and turn it into actiony-thrillery generic mulch.

It could have been a great tv series but I guess Walking Dead has that covered already.
 

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Sorry, sorry. They look like fast zombies to me. That's the end of any notion that this film is anything to do with the brilliance that is the book World War Z. If you read the book, you'd know that fast zombies break the entire Zombie Survival Guide and War Z universe soundly in half. Suddenly Solanum makes no sense, the entire zombie organism has to be reworked from the ground up and it is stated over and over that the one of the few advantages we have over the zombies is the ability to walk away at a brisk pace from them. If WWZ had fast zombies, we would be fucking fucked.

Whoever said "let's make a film of WWZ" is great, greenlight that shit. Whoever added "but let's make it fast zombies" needs to be shot.

I heard "hive mind zombies" in this thread. I swear to god if that's a real thing in this film...
 

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My lady wants to see it, if only to be able to point out the bits filmed in Glasgow just down the road from where I work. I'm.. hesitant to sink 2x cinema tickets' worth of cash on just playing Lookit for the George Square sequences, if the film lives up to its hype as being a bit of a turd (even if that's only a turd in comparison to the book).
 

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The book is a collection of peoples recollections of the war. Similar to those WW2 books where they interview different people from soldiers to citizens from around the world to get a wide variety of viewpoints of the conflict. The book is great because it concentrates on the good stuff like Yonkers, the K9 unit stuff and fights people had in the snow and the sea. So much of it makes you think "wow, put that in a movie". Like the Japanese kid climbing down his building, the blind chinese guy who kill zombies with a spade weapon, woman crash landing in swamps or the fighting in the catacombs under paris or the Roedekker plan. I like how the zombie plague spread through black market transplants etc

As for the movie. I will enjoy it for what it is. Its not WWZ and its a shame they used that title as the zombies in the book are classic slow zombies and the book is focused more on the people in the stories, not the horror of the zombies.

I do think they could take anyone of the stories in the book and base a movie on it. Better yet, a TV series would be the best bet.

Actually, for anyone not read it. If you go to youtube there is a spoken version of the book on there. If you like zombies, then read it, because there is far more originality in that one book than all zombie cinema put together.So many things you wished would be in a movie.
 

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Ever fan of the book new what was coming as soon as they saw the trailer.

Why?

The zombies in the book are NOT FAST. The whole point is that their strength is in growing numbers.

J. Michael Straczynski's script was apparently more true to the book, I'm searching for it now.
 

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Lovely Mixture said:
Ever fan of the book new what was coming as soon as they saw the trailer.

Why?

The zombies in the book are NOT FAST. The whole point is that their strength is in growing numbers.

J. Michael Straczynski's script was apparently more true to the book, I'm searching for it now.
They say the interview aspect wouldnt work. But it could. You have the interview at the start for maybe 10 minutes and then the movie begins based as a flashback. You see the movie, at the end it goes back to the interview. They could have done many sequels based on different peoples stories. Or maybe a TV series would be better.

I liked that the book said you cant fight them in the usual means. They dont get tired, dont get hungry, dont need to breath and can take damage that would kill a person and nor do they care about each others welfare. Also propaganda doesnt work nor mines or anything. They are a constant. An the best part, every one of us they kill just swells their numbers.

I think people forget that the best zombie movies are more about the people trapped than the zombies. Just remembering the whole K9 unit chapter in WWZ the book just makes me sad when i read it. Great book, hope a TV company does it justice. The Walking Dead is pretty good, surprised no one snapped up this book to make a series.
 

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sky14kemea said:
I plan to see it anyway, and I'll probably enjoy it, but it sucks to hear that it's getting a bad reception because it doesn't live up to the book.

I understand how book fans get annoyed at the films, I got a little irritable when watching the Harry Potter films.

The main reason I'm looking forward to War Z is because I've seen pretty much all the good zombie flics I can think of, and I welcome a new one that isn't some B-movie or low budget thing.
I just never understood why they would buy the rights to a book and then make a film that's pretty much nothing like it.
Just use an original name.
 

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Fun fact: quite a lot of the movie was filmed in Malta, my native country.
That is probably more interesting than the film itself.
 

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A reason World War Z was a outstanding book was because it had a lot different approach than just about any zombie movie -- let's take a bunch of experts, such as celebrities, psychologists, mercenaries, doctors, CIA agents, millionaires, and other specialists, have them speak in hindsight for shitting out the most information, and have the entire story scale across the whole world. China, Japan, Tibet, Israel, Brazil, Russia, the US, Canada, the Middle East, and all those other countries get their spot in the lime light.

That's not what World War Z is. Forget the canon about fast vs slow zombies, World War Z never was about the actions (watch any other zombie movie ever) or the people involved (The Walking Dead), it was about professional evaluations about the apocalypse. The Great Panic, quislings, The Road to New York, Phalanx, ferals, Yonkers, the interpretation of "total war", and the various solutions of problems made by the various governments based on their political inclination was what made World War Z so good. It wasn't bittersweet and had a guy with a bitching crossbow like in The Walking Dead, World War Z had few action scenes at all. World War Z was about how a world would react and what implications of the apocalypse most movies, even the serious ones, would overlook.

So it's no surprise the movie is full of political balderdash, just depends on what kind. (Purely American, focused on the fault of one political party? Ez stoopid.) Even more, it's no surprise the movie probably blows dick. Max Brooks said the audio recordings of his book are what he considers to be the real movie adaptation.
 

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Called it.

Yes, I've read the book and no I'm not paying money to see a poorly constructed move with 'World War Z' slapped on top of it.
 

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Honestly, I saw the trailer...and rolled my eyes thinking "Great, another zombie movie". For the sake of giggles though I checked wiki about the source material...and found myself asking why the hell they didn't go with that concept because the book sounded so much more interesting.

SonOfVoorhees said:
They say the interview aspect wouldnt work. But it could. You have the interview at the start for maybe 10 minutes and then the movie begins based as a flashback. You see the movie, at the end it goes back to the interview. They could have done many sequels based on different peoples stories. Or maybe a TV series would be better.
Titanic style, you mean? Yeah, that could definitely work.
 

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Blunderboy said:
I just never understood why they would buy the rights to a book and then make a film that's pretty much nothing like it.
Just use an original name.
The idea is that the brand recognition will help the game sell better. Similar to how a zany cart racer will sell better with Mario characters or how the Modern Warfare and Black Ops games (which the creators consider to be separate IP) are called Call of Duty titles. It's a cynical marketing ploy essentially.
 

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Austin Manning said:
Blunderboy said:
I just never understood why they would buy the rights to a book and then make a film that's pretty much nothing like it.
Just use an original name.
The idea is that the brand recognition will help the game sell better. Similar to how a zany cart racer will sell better with Mario characters or how the Modern Warfare and Black Ops games (which the creators consider to be separate IP) are called Call of Duty titles. It's a cynical marketing ploy essentially.
It's a film but anyway.

I don't get that argument. It's not that well known a book outside of people who aren't already fans. So people that know the name will be pissed off you changed such a beloved book, and people that don't know it, well they won't recognise it anyway.