Worse off as a species?

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Oldmanwillow

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Humanity is just another form of animal, to classify it as anything else is pure foolishness. Is humanity worse as a species because we don't let survival of the fittest take place?

Absolutely.

Competition to survive is what drives any species to improve itself. (through breeding or intentional action) A species survival depends on its ability to improve itself over time.

First off what makes us a superior to the rest of the animal kingdom is not emotions or feeling because its obvious by studying nature that other animals are more than capable of experiencing them. What makes us superior is the fact that we can overcome or natural instincts with reason and logic. That is the only thing that makes us better than the rest of the animal kingdom. That being said let me get to my major point.

In our society we like to delude ourselves into thinking that all people are equal. Are they really just because they happen to be of the same species they are equal? That is simply not true, its not race or anything like that that make us unequal. Its actions, the actions that one make throughout there life is what judges how good/bad a person is. A good person is not equal to a bad one. (unless you want to make a argument that Hitler was equal to Gandhi).

Since our world is based off of competition there will always be winners and losers. This is a fact of life and nothing anyone can do or say will change that. Are winners and losers equal? NO THEY ARE NOT. The Person who won was either naturally better smarter stronger or worked harder its one or the other. Since he/she won he is not equal to the loser. In the natural world The losers usually don't get to breed so their genes are removed from the pool and the species improves by it.

We are all unequal and what determines how good/bad or useful/unuseful we are is our actions we take throughout our lives and how well we compete in those said actions.

We are moving away form that aspect of human activeity because for some reason we think its below us. Why??. Instead off tell our children about how equal we all should be why cant we tell that we are all unequal but how good/bad you are is totally up too you. What we should be doing is allowing everyone to have the chance to compete equally. Instead of having one style public school we should have many. What one you can go to is up to how well the child does in previous schools. It would allow the top students to have more direct competition with each other so they can become stronger/ better people. Competition is what brings out the best qualities in people nothing else.
 

wordsmith

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MaxTheReaper said:
Oh, natural selection, I'm so sorry they killed you.
QFT.

We've stopped evolving, not because we've reached our pinnacle, but because we are repeatedly diluting the gene pool without correcting it.
 

Neonbob

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MaxTheReaper said:
Oh, natural selection, I'm so sorry they killed you.
It had no chance whatsoever. As soon as the first child died because it stuck its hand in an electrical outlet and the mother sued, Natural Selection began to die. Then the legislature that followed behind the lawsuit came up and bludgeoned it to a paste...such a shame.
 

Young Pretender

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You seem a tad confused with the equality issue. Although yes, indeed you seem to be right on the fact that we are obviously unequal in terms of usefulness and winner/looser(ing) that is definitely not the central point of equality. We are in competition, and those who do work harder are worth more to society, however, equality is not based on discrimination of standard of achievement, but more on the idea that each human life is worth the same amount, theoretically.

Could it not be effectively argued that the human race as a population benefits from ignoring the mandate of 'survival of the fittest' (which is in most cases survival of the luckiest, but not really important for this line of thought) because those who are 'losers' are the ones funding the 'winners' of the situation. So can it not be said humans have moved on to some sort of basis above the cheap overly used sayings of Darwinism, into some sort of demonic 'success of the fittest' in a sense?
 

Neonbob

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MaxTheReaper said:
Neonbob said:
MaxTheReaper said:
Oh, natural selection, I'm so sorry they killed you.
It had no chance whatsoever. As soon as the first child died because it stuck its hand in an electrical outlet and the mother sued, Natural Selection began to die. Then the legislature that followed behind the lawsuit came up and bludgeoned it to a paste...such a shame.
They should remove the ability to sue for your own stupidity.
"In my defense, I didn't know the chainsaw would cut off my hand."
"You grabbed the chain while it was running."
"I know! So how much can I get?"
"*sound of a million brain cells committing suicide*"
I have rarely wanted to assault someone more than when I hear of that lady who was suing McDonalds because her coffee was hot.
Thus, I came up with my ideal job: the one true Lifeguard!
It would be my life's calling to deal with idiocy:
*TWEEET!*
*Irish accent* "That's it, outta the gene pool!"
That would be soooooo satisfying.
 

Cpt_Oblivious

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MaxTheReaper said:
wordsmith said:
MaxTheReaper said:
Oh, natural selection, I'm so sorry they killed you.
QFT.

We've stopped evolving, not because we've reached our pinnacle, but because we are repeatedly diluting the gene pool without correcting it.
You know what the real kick in the nuts is?
Warning labels.
"WARNING: Coffee may be hot!" You'd better fucking hope so.
"WARNING: Sleeping pills may cause drowsiness!" OH SHIT NO
THAT IS HORRIBLE
OH GOD WHY
WARNING: May contain nuts. On a bag of peanuts

As a species we're getting stupider because we feel compassion for others less fortunate.
 

ReZerO

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You should be careful you're getting pretty close to the idea of eugenics, which has been tried and failed.
 

Biek

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That reminds me, who keeps feeding those fat people? You know, the ones who cant even get out of bed anymore. You'd think that one of these days, the spirit of Charles Darwin would appear before them to let them know they failed as living being. But instead, its the pizza delivery guy!
 

Neonbob

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ReZerO said:
You should be careful you're getting pretty close to the idea of eugenics, which has been tried and failed.
That was on a select group of people. My version would have no limitations of race, creed, etc. Maybe it'd work for me :p
Plus, I'm not trying to get forced evolution. I'm just trying to weed out the complete morons.
Haxordude said:
Someone thinks they are better than everyone else......
I've been hanging around with Max for too long. His narcissism has rubbed off on me.
 

Cpt_Oblivious

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MaxTheReaper said:
Cpt_Oblivious said:
WARNING: May contain nuts. On a bag of peanuts

As a species we're getting stupider because we feel compassion for others less fortunate.
I wonder what's next.
"WARNING: Food may cause feelings of fullness, content."
"WARNING: Water may quench thirst."
They've already done it on movies.

PG: Contains Mild Peril

And TV:

...Which some people may find offensive...

How would you know without watching it?
 

supermaster1337

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You know what this sounds alot like Natzism. Hmm very similar. Or it can be just me (which i know its not)

Lets go kill the weak and make sure the genes dont get passed down because they are inferior (Jews).

im just saying this sounds alot like he wants an aryan race.
 

Neonbob

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MaxTheReaper said:
Neonbob said:
Haxordude said:
Someone thinks they are better than everyone else......
I've been hanging around with Max for too long. His narcissism has rubbed off on me.
I think you mean my egomania.
That too. But my other quirks are completely unrelated.
supermaster1337 said:
You know what this sounds alot like Natzism. Hmm very similar. Or it can be just me (which i know its not)

Lets go kill the weak and make sure the genes dont get passed down because they are inferior (Jews).

im just saying this sounds alot like he wants an aryan race.
No...I don't want a bunch of blonde-haired, blue-eyed people running the planet...I just want to get rid of the morons. As previously stated.
It has nothing to do with genetics...just mental acuity and the like. I might consider some kind of tolerance for stupid acts, depending on just how stupid it was.
 

Scops

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Oh, boy...

Am I to understand you believe a return to survival of the fittest would be the best for humanity? I'm gonna respond on that assumption, but let me know if I misunderstood.

Humans have risen above the rest of the animal kingdom (risen above, but not extricated ourselves from it) BECAUSE we can protect our "weakest". When one member of a tribe is skilled enough to hunt and provide for, say, four people, he is protecting the "weak" and allowing them to develop different skill sets.

Wash, rinse, repeat for four thousand years, and you have a division of labor system so complex that scientists have given the providers the tools to do it better, so that a larger portion of a society can develop new skill sets and better the society as a whole.

You may wax philosophic that humanity began a fundamental decline when people stopped learning how to skin their own meat, but you won't find many people on your side. And if the fat slobs and the sue-happy idiots are a side effect of a civilization that can produce the likes of Steven Hawkings, etc, then I am willing to accept that.

To paraphrase Young Pretender a bit, your "winners" may very well be standing on the shoulders of your "losers".