Captain John Sheridan, Paragon Commander Shepard, Captain Picard, and Captain America. Would these serve as better role models than narcissistic millionaires or athletes?
Would you consider these people better role models for our youth?
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Isn't Captain America a member of Hydra?
So...no. Well...excepting from other threads the OP has started which had some questionable leanings, so I guess...from a certain point of view.
So...no. Well...excepting from other threads the OP has started which had some questionable leanings, so I guess...from a certain point of view.
"Remember son, most of life's problems can be solved with experimental drugs. The rest can be dealt with by throwing a shield at them."
Why are you so obsessed with crow-barring those characters into every topic anyway?
You're starting to remind me of someone.
Why are you so obsessed with crow-barring those characters into every topic anyway?
You're starting to remind me of someone.
Shepard, no... renegade is right there in the program as well. Just a canon flip away. As far as the rest, Cap, yeah sure. Picard, great. Sheridan... ok, here's my problem with these guys.
These are all characters who's creative teams won't allow to be bad guys. (yeah, yeah... random exception... whatever) Point is, paragon type characters are almost always the least interesting characters in their medium. Now Picard is an exception, mostly because the writing was good enough that seeing how he was going to remain such a paragon was as interesting as some of the other characters. Plus he was in a crowd of such paragons. But the rest, totally outshined by their co-stars. Its kind of similar to how the hero is generally the least interesting character in any heroes' journey. And when that happens, well they may be the best role models... but they aren't the characters that "the kids" want to be.
These are all characters who's creative teams won't allow to be bad guys. (yeah, yeah... random exception... whatever) Point is, paragon type characters are almost always the least interesting characters in their medium. Now Picard is an exception, mostly because the writing was good enough that seeing how he was going to remain such a paragon was as interesting as some of the other characters. Plus he was in a crowd of such paragons. But the rest, totally outshined by their co-stars. Its kind of similar to how the hero is generally the least interesting character in any heroes' journey. And when that happens, well they may be the best role models... but they aren't the characters that "the kids" want to be.
John Sheridan grows a goatee, sign of an evil man.
Paragon Sheppard is a complete tool.
Picard is a hypocrite, and lives in a post-scarcity world besides, which kind of makes his existence completely alien to us.
And Captain America is a Nazi.
Up until last year, I would have said that Atticus Finch was the best role model youth could aspire to, but he was since then outed as a massive racist... so yeah.
The only real wholesome role model for our youth is Napoleon.
Paragon Sheppard is a complete tool.
Picard is a hypocrite, and lives in a post-scarcity world besides, which kind of makes his existence completely alien to us.
And Captain America is a Nazi.
Up until last year, I would have said that Atticus Finch was the best role model youth could aspire to, but he was since then outed as a massive racist... so yeah.
The only real wholesome role model for our youth is Napoleon.
Is this a reference to how series Picard is this kind of enlightened pacifist who routinely risks his life to build understanding between different alien species, but then as soon as a movie rolls around he suddenly mutates into a quipping action hero who blows shit up and gives zero fucks.Sonmi said:
..because I think that's just bad writing.
You know what, I'll go Picard because anybody stabbed in the chest and can laugh about it seems like the right amount of quirky in the face of death and shock ... that and actually learning a lesson in the process?
Can't ask for more than that in a kid.
Can't ask for more than that in a kid.
That and living in an age of technological plenty in a post-scarcity economy and believing age of sail square riggings 'freedom' for their lack of computers despite the fact that life onboard ships were riddled with genuine inequality and slavery? I mean, if I had a captain that made offhand remarks how 'that was the life' comparing a modern cargo liner I was working on unfavourably to a Spanish galleon in Pacific trade that would strike me they were a person of high birth.Sonmi said:
After all, particularly on early long ranging exploration fleets it wasn't uncommon for most to be near emptied of their crews. So for a captain to romanticise the old age of sail would to romanticise practically everyone else's fucking nightmare... so I find it particularly bizarre that all barring perhaps Worf don't have some ideological problem with Jean-Luc Picard and his flights of fancy on an old frigate .... you know, given that we're living in the 24th century and I can't imagine anything more subversive to Star Fleet's image of benevolent exploration than a Captain pining for 17th century Old World maritime imagery.
It would rank up there a captain calling their ship the Titanic.
Imagine that Captain Picard was your escort delegate for a diplomatic mission and you were an alien ambassador. You see Picard and his crew running this program. You decide to investigate the history of Earth in the time they're roleplaying .... What message of brutal European colonialism and savagery might you take from it? Frankly, without any other context I would think I was travelling with a madman.
It'd be like someone cosplaying an SS officer, and ehile you could make the argument it's purely academic ... at the sametime it'd be weird if no one rsised an eyebrow.
And Picard does play the idea of aristocracy in the 24th century. As wonderful as the 24th century looks, I doubt everyone gets their own Earth-side vineyard so I can't imagine anything less than Picard being 'old money' in a world which has ditched it to a large extent.
Unlike Sisko which you could examine through the gaze of the family-line middle class bourgeoisie, Picard does strike me as haute societe at its somewhat most jaded and disconnected from common civil society. The rural countryhouse types that periodically left London for long forays of doing nothing but languishing in hobby gardens.
I think you should seperate movies and tv show. That and Captain Picard is at no time presented as if perfect .... and given just how much this comes up I'm not sure it's by accident.
Miles O'Brien is the ultimate Star Trek role model.
Salt of the earth, life of service. The warrior-poet, dedicated to the perfection of machines that keep the Federation moving ever onwards.
It's pretty fucked up in a lot of ways how the Federation treats engineers as little more than combat engineers as a stand in reserve force for when Security are in trouble. That's pretty messed up when you take it into consideration that by TNG there's a clear hierarchy of theoretical science and command personnel, and basically anybody with practical application of technology and scientific concepts gets fucking shafted.
Fictional role models are easier to come by, but harder to emulate.
If you don't mind that, go with G1/Prime Optimus Prime and Obi-Wan Kenobi. They'll (almost) never steer you wrong.
If you don't mind that, go with G1/Prime Optimus Prime and Obi-Wan Kenobi. They'll (almost) never steer you wrong.
