X-Men: Apocalypse Thread (Spoiler Warning - Spoilers Inside)

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DefunctTheory

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So, I just saw this movie, which, on Rotten Tomatoes...



Is rotten. But the viewer base seems to be viewing it a bit better. I'm curious as to whether this is a fanboy effect that will be straightened out in the coming weeks, or if the critics will be proven right in the long run. I'll put my questions at the end of the thread - If you don't care what I think, feel free to skip to the end.

Overall Opinion

I liked the movie. It was certainly flawed, and it wont be breaking into my top 5 action or super hero movies, but I thought it was, at the least, a functional action flick that was worth the cost of admission, and at best, a worthy X-Men movie.

What I Didn't Like

-Congestion - Like most super hero movies these days, the movie was packed. Really packed. A lot of characters, a lot of threads to follow, and just generally busy. I thought it payed off on most of what it threw on the screen, and it was all necessary, but the road was bumpy and cluttered.

-Magneto's Fridge Family [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StuffedIntoTheFridge] - While it was well done, considering what it was, and was necessary for the plot, it still happened.

-Xavier's Girlfriend - She wan't necessary. While she doesn't have enough screen time for me to get really upset, the 5 or 8 minutes she did take up could have been used better, perhaps to smooth the transitions between the story jumps that were actually necessary and interesting.

-Apocalypse's Defeat - It was really well done, don't get me wrong. I loved it. But I can't help but feel like it was a bit of a let down. They brought out the Phoenix to get it done, but I can't help but feel like there was a better option, which they seemed to be building towards. How I would have done it: Xavier goes in to mind fight Apocalypse. As he's getting beaten down, instead of calling to Jean, he calls to Magneto (Who's still mid-world wrecking), and tells him that not only is Apocalypse about to murder his favorite girl, but it's his son that's stuck there, broken and dying. Cue an epic two on one beat down where Xavier and Magneto prove why after 50 years of stories, when it comes to who's the real big bad nightmare mutants, they never fail to get mentioned. And save Jean's inner beast for another film.

What I Did Like

-Very Pretty - The movie is generally well shot. The scenery, locations, costumes and effects look good. My one problem is that they went back to 'Heroes switch to generic suits when shit gets real,' something I didn't like from previous movies, but then they fix it at the ending when the go back to more unique, individual costumes. I also had a mild problem with the X-Basements color scheme, if only because it made Mystique look weird when she was in it.

-Gorgeous Destruction Porn - They didn't just call it apocalypse because its the villain's name. Shit gets fucked up, hard. But unlike other super hero movies, it's all very clear and visually distinct. Because it all happens during the day, you really get a good view of whats going on, and they resist the temptation to cheap out and just drown everything in concrete dust. Even when the destruction effect IS dusty, it's still very clear.

-Quicksilver - Once again, this character simply robs every scene he's in. He's fun, he's high energy, and oh God, his action scenes are the best. I was entranced by his mansion rescue, an excellent follow up to his jail break scene in Days of Future Past, and his thrown down with Apocalypse, though short and poorly ending, was fantastic.

-Hero Mash-Ups - While Civil War still reigns king when it comes to being able to show multiple supers at one time without making most of them seem pathetic, this movie does a pretty good job as well. Everyone (Save perhaps Beast) gets a moment to shine.

-Casting Off the Crutch - It's true - Money Bags Wolverine is in the movie. But they resist the temptation (And the weird canon pile up potential) of leaning on him in favor of a small cameo. And I think it was worth adding him in rather then leaving him out all together. Admit it - Weapon X Wolverine going on a roaring rampage was awesome, and it's nice that they added an in-universe reason for Logan to be attracted to Jean - She saved him, even if he can't remember it.

-Early Mentioned Things Pay Off - It's not huge, but the stuff that happens early does pay off. Angel vs Nightcrawler, the fact that electricity, properly used, messes with some mutant powers, Mystique's status as a hero to all mutants - It all comes together in the end.

Would I Recommend It To A Friend

I certainly would.

So, Escapist Users, I'm open to all comments and opinions, as always, but here's some questions for starters.

Questions/Discussion Topics

-Have you seen it? If not, do you plan on seeing it?
-Did you like it?
-What do you think it did poorly, regardless of overall opinion?
-What do you think it did well, regardless of overall opinion?
-Would you recommend it to a friend? Either generally, or under certain circumstances (Only if they like X-Men, etc)?

Thank you for reading!
 

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As I already mention before (Europe get to watched it first!) I liked it but it's nowhere near as bad as X Men 3 as some people make it to be! Obviously it has flaws and First Class is still the best!

What irk me was the Styker part which it was pretty much filler. I mean seriously, they kidnapped the key characters and left tne entire students alone???

Another part is that police officer holding that bow and arrow. He was holding it as if he's a novie and yet he maintain the pull the arrow when the animal attack. Yet when he accidently released it, it was strong enough to pierce TWO people!!

Also yeah I agreed with Bob that the destruction scene was kind badly done due to the effect and what he did exactly? He just pull all the metals and it become very dusty!

Oh and also Bob did a review on it
 

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Fun w/2 gripes: 1) Magneto's "new tragic background" felt particularly dumb, and 2) Psylocke was all fanservice, no character.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Fun w/2 gripes: 1) Magneto's "new tragic background" felt particularly dumb, and 2) Psylocke was all fanservice, no character.
I think "all fanservice, no character" was the original tagline.
 

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My friends and I saw it Thursday evening. While we all agreed the movie has some issues--the pacing at the beginning is extremely slow. Spent too much time introducing freaking EVERYONE--we all came out of the movie happy. The reviewers that say this is as bad as The Last Stand (including the reviewer on this site) just make me scratch my head. I mean, did we watch the same movies? The Last Stand was painful to watch, and this one was nowhere near as bad. While it wasn't as fun as Days of Future Past (I've never seen First Class), it certainly didn't have me leaving the theater utterly depressed about everything.

And I liked Psylocke. She looks like Psylocke. Could her character have been developed a bit more? Oh my yes, but that's why she survived. Is her costume just there for fan service. Yes, but then have you seen what she wears in the comics? I don't get the up-in-arms revolt about her character, when out of everyone there, she looks the MOST like her comic book counterpart. It's like it's okay for her to be a hot ninja in the comics, but holy crap, she better not look like that in a movie because then it's pandering.

I was a little let down by Apocalypse. He didn't come across as the ultimate evil force to me. He was powerful, for sure, but he didn't seem to do much. He left it all up to his Horsemen, and when he did decide to get involved, he kind of got stomped pretty quick. Granted, it took everyone combined to do it, but still.
I wanted him to be more like the X-Men 90s cartoon version. Someone who is not afraid to step into the middle of a fight and simply clear the field. Fighting him should be more like a last ditch desperation move, not "By our powers combined!" moment.

Overall I give the movie a B, maybe a B minus. Looking forward to seeing what they do with Mr. Sinister in the next film.
 

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Scarim Coral said:
Couldn't get past the 4 minutes mark. Dear lord, we get it, he wouldn't like a superhero movie if it's not stamped with the MCU seal of mediocraty.
But...but...but he doesn't even get into the leftist agenda propaganda until at LEAST minute 5 in all of his reviews!
 

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And I liked Psylocke. She looks like Psylocke. Could her character have been developed a bit more? Oh my yes, but that's why she survived. Is her costume just there for fan service. Yes, but then have you seen what she wears in the comics? I don't get the up-in-arms revolt about her character, when out of everyone there, she looks the MOST like her comic book counterpart. It's like it's okay for her to be a hot ninja in the comics, but holy crap, she better not look like that in a movie because then it's pandering.
I think the thing that bothered people the most about it was the fact that she figured pretty heavily into marketing, and Olivia Munn went on record talking about how she took this role over that of Deadpool's girlfriend because she didn't want to be a damsel in distress, but a fully formed character. So people were expecting a fully formed character that was important to the movie, when what they got was a stock character devoid of personality that had two lines of dialogue, no relevance to the plot (like the other two Horsemen not named Magneto),and had an uninteresting fight or two. And you're right that she can be developed further in the future, but that doesn't make her not a waste of space here. She doesn't even have a British goddamn accent!
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
...and 2) Psylocke was all fanservice, no character.
mduncan50 said:
I think "all fanservice, no character" was the original tagline.
I give Psylocke a pass because the movie didn't need another character to flesh out, and because Munn is, well... I wasn't looking for more Munn time when the movie was over. So what I got was just fine.

mduncan50 said:
I think the thing that bothered people the most about it was the fact that she figured pretty heavily into marketing, and Olivia Munn went on record talking about how she took this role over that of Deadpool's girlfriend because she didn't want to be a damsel in distress, but a fully formed character.
Wait, she was almost Deadpool's tunnel pounder? Or was she just talking about the role like she had a chance?

Either way, thank Christ she didn't get it.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
...and 2) Psylocke was all fanservice, no character.
mduncan50 said:
I think "all fanservice, no character" was the original tagline.
I give Psylocke a pass because the movie didn't need another character to flesh out, and because Munn is, well... I wasn't looking for more Munn time when the movie was over. So what I got was just fine.

mduncan50 said:
I think the thing that bothered people the most about it was the fact that she figured pretty heavily into marketing, and Olivia Munn went on record talking about how she took this role over that of Deadpool's girlfriend because she didn't want to be a damsel in distress, but a fully formed character.
Wait, she was almost Deadpool's tunnel pounder? Or was she just talking about the role like she had a chance?

Either way, thank Christ she didn't get it.
She actually claims to have turned it down.

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2016/05/04/why-olivia-munn-turned-down-deadpool

And yes it is a dodged bullet of Mel Gibson as Odin proportions.
 

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Sniper Team 4 said:
And I liked Psylocke. She looks like Psylocke. Could her character have been developed a bit more?
Try describing her character (demeanor, personality) in any other way than "she's in the movie". Extras get better characterization.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Sniper Team 4 said:
And I liked Psylocke. She looks like Psylocke. Could her character have been developed a bit more?
Try describing her character (demeanor, personality) in any other way than "she's in the movie". Extras get better characterization.
Sour faced

I really enjoyed this movie, not like I go easy on X-men films, I thought the third one was mediocre and First Class was pretty bad.

This was visually very interesting and had some great character moments, similar to Guardians of the Galaxy in that the overall plot was really lacking but that film got mega praise from the critics.

What annoyed me was the heavy handed messiah nature of Lawrence's character which we all know is because of her mega stardom and not because it makes sense as a character. Would have been nice if he had acted for Quicksilver instead of her, I know they haven't stated he knows but he wouldn't flinch like he did if Apocalypse was killing a stranger and it's a bit of stretch to believe he hasn't done the maths considering his relationship with the mother and there timely births.
 

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Does it concern anyone else that apparently mutants don't age? X-Men Apocalypse takes place a full twenty one years after first class, so all of those characters from that movie should be around forty at least, with Xavier, Mystique and Magneto closer to 50. Hell, Quicksilver is still living in his mum's basement, and it's been ten years since Days of Future Past. Add that to the age discrepancies between the original trilogy and the Past trilogy and I think maybe it's just a trade-off that those with mutant powers are also temporally challenged.
 

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mduncan50 said:
Does it concern anyone else that apparently mutants don't age? X-Men Apocalypse takes place a full twenty one years after first class, so all of those characters from that movie should be around forty at least, with Xavier, Mystique and Magneto closer to 50. Hell, Quicksilver is still living in his mum's basement, and it's been ten years since Days of Future Past. Add that to the age discrepancies between the original trilogy and the Past trilogy and I think maybe it's just a trade-off that those with mutant powers are also temporally challenged.
That's one thing that annoyed me about the movie, the time jump is the most gimmicky shit in the movie. I think the setting actually mattered in the last two X-men movies, but in Apocalypse, it was just there to explain the cringy clothing and that sweet Star Wars reference.

OT: Movie was k. Just k. Like the kind of k that's edging towards bad.

One criticism that I hadn't seen in many reviews, except Marter's, was that the effects are puzzlingly bad. Apocalypse's sand shit looks incredibly amateur, that bit with the CGI Psylocke jumping off a building looked straight out of a CW show. And that scene when Apocalypse used Xavier to send a message to the world... Why did that even need to be CGI? It's like if they made a movie where everyone is Scarlet Witch (I think her red telekinesis effects are horrible)

And the costumes man, the costumes. Not only are the X-men back to the hurr durr generic black armor, the actual comic book costumes look like hot garbage! Magneto looked ridiculous, his helmet eyeholes did not match up to his eyes.

Speaking of Magneto, the Horsemen were so boring. Storm had no reason at all to follow Apocalypse, Psylocke didn't even seem to get a power boost from Apocalypse, and Angel was... actually kinda cool. But that's it, he was just there to look cool. Magneto killed a SHIT ton of people, and all the other mutants were just okay with that. Apocalypse himself isnt any better, he reminds me of Ultron in the way they are the "banality of evil". He sounded cool, I think Oscar Isaac portrayed him well, but as a villain, he is a Yellowjacket from Antman level of antagonist. Oh yeah, when he was looking around for Xavier, and the wall of the building they were hiding in just collapsed, I laughed out loud. In a crowded theater. During a tense moment. It was very awkward.

But I still enjoyed the movie. Quicksilver was awesome, I think they might have blown their special effects budget on that scene. I don't think I would bother watching this again, but if came up on TV (if I still watched TV) I wouldn't change the channel.

It certainly didn't make me angry like BvS did.
 

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Bob_McMillan said:
mduncan50 said:
Does it concern anyone else that apparently mutants don't age? X-Men Apocalypse takes place a full twenty one years after first class, so all of those characters from that movie should be around forty at least, with Xavier, Mystique and Magneto closer to 50. Hell, Quicksilver is still living in his mum's basement, and it's been ten years since Days of Future Past. Add that to the age discrepancies between the original trilogy and the Past trilogy and I think maybe it's just a trade-off that those with mutant powers are also temporally challenged.
That's one thing that annoyed me about the movie, the time jump is the most gimmicky shit in the movie. I think the setting actually mattered in the last two X-men movies, but in Apocalypse, it was just there to explain the cringy clothing and that sweet Star Wars reference.
Next one comes out in a few years and it's set another 10 years in the future in the 90s. Having actually been a teenager during that time, I am actually kind of scared about the cool kid fashion the 50 year old X-Men will be wearing.
 

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Isn't the Phoenix suppose to be an external force? I don't want another "she's just powerful and angry" thing.
 

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It was okay, and I'm NOT a fan of the X-Men. They're one of the only set of superheroes I actually actively dislike.

Some of the special effects were pretty "euuuugh" and the make-up was TERRIBLE. Mystique and Apocalypse were just... shoddy. The flying all looked goofy, too.

And I see they once again went for the "I'm alone, I'm evil, I'm conflicted, I'm good again, I'm leaving to be alone again" thing for Magneto. It feels like it's happened three movies in a row now, is that just me?

Also, so far the X-Men cinematic Universe hasn't had any MAGIC in it. Everything has been mutant powers, however fantastical. But... that transference ritual Apocalypse uses... that's just MAGIC. There's NO other explanation. He's got crazy powers, but I don't think any of them involved catching sunlight, draining it through rocks, and somehow having it become liquid gold?

But yeah, much like after everyone said Green lantern was the worst movie ever made and anyone who liked it was probably a Demon Nazi, after hearing all the bad press about this one, I found it okay. My expectations were low, but honestly I think going into ANY superhero movie with high expectations is a mistake. Even Marvel isn't immune.