They are. At the very least, it's criminal negligence, abuse and manslaughter. Their intentions were still genocidal. "Kill the Indian, save the person," and all that garbage.
Mass Grave of Over 200 Children Found at Former Canadian Residential School
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Their intentions were largely irrelevant. The people directly operating the schools weren't making the decisions. The Government was making the decisions, and the schools had to work within those circumstances.
Edit: When a school today has issues with things like lack of resources, poor facilities, etc. do you blame the teachers?
If the school had hundreds of children die without saying a word, publicly or privately, about said lack of resources nor the deaths of hundreds of children until the mass graves were discovered, absolutely.
Newspapers existed.
EDIT: Like, I dunno what the news sources you use say, but over here in Everywhereelseistan, schools never shut up about lacking resources
Genocidal intentions are very much relevant to the outcome of these concentration camps masquerading as schools.
If you're a Republican, yes. There is not a single issue in the American education system they haven't blamed almost exclusively on teacher's unions. They're wrong of course, as you yourself imply here. Of course, modern public school are not implicitly genocidal institutions, though the way they teach history I can understand where you'd get confused.
Eh, it's more convenient and less time-consuming than an actual burial or notifying anyone. What a kerfuffle that would be!
Psychologically-speaking, I imagine a certain kind of person finds it easier to do it if their doctrine preaches that the people in their care are all hell-bound pagans, too.
But they did say words. They plead for funding, and the government said only if they take more children, and sent them sick children from the hospitals. They made funeral records for the buried, and the Canadian government destroyed the records. These mass graves aren't being discovered in the sense that the deaths were concealed. People knew the children had died, and just didn't know exactly where they were buried.
The Catholic Church does not preach that, and never has.
Teachers are not synonymous with teachers' unions, and there are tons of problems with education Republicans don't blame on teachers' unions. Think before you speak, your takes are getting less and less hot.
So you conceded the point that genocidal intentions very much mattered at a genocidal institution?
None in some grass grave pile up. I don't care for wealthy or not, you still don't give a rat's ass and act like nothing's wrong. I don't know who you trying to fool but the only one you're fooling is yourself. It's really not hard to worry when you don't care about anything, but yourself.
To be fair, the whole residential school system was mandated by the government and not the Pope. It's not like this was a crazy Catholic idea, and there were non-Catholic residential school part of this whole cultural genocide. But as Catholics form(ed) the largest Christian community in Canada it's not that surprising they are over-represented in this moral disaster.But wait, there's more!
Hundreds of bodies reported found in unmarked graves at former Saskatchewan residential school
The total number of graves near the former Marieval Indian Residential School is expected to be over three times higher than the 215 discovered recently in Kamloopsnationalpost.com
Funny how this just keeps happening with schools operated by the Catholic church. What a wacky pattern.
I'm not trying to fool anyone, nor am I saying that nothing with the situation is wrong. But people are looking to lay the blame for things on a group they have preexisting bias against. People are blaming the Catholic institutions for the government of Canada dropping in, screwing them over, and leaving a pile of dead children behind to bury. Like, do we blame the Irish for the Irish Potato Famine, and ignore the context of Britain's behavior? Do we blame the black Americans who in poor neighborhoods, and ignore the context of redlining? Why are we attempting to blame the Catholic institutions for the circumstances thrust upon them by force of law?
No, I deemed that insane nonsense not worth responding to. No, they didn't set up boarding schools with the intention of genocide. There are thousands of Catholic schools in the world, including many in largely indigenous populations, that did not have the same outcome. Catholic schools are not built with the intention of genocide, and you're ridiculous for suggesting it.
Well good for you, you're wrong.
These boarding schools were created for the explicit purpose of exterminating indigenous culture and replacing with Western European. By definition, that is genocide. I get that this is very uncomfortable for you considering how devout you are. But too bad. The fact remains that the church ran these institutions at the behest of the state, making both the church and state responsible for the crimes against humanity perpetrated within.
It must be really fun living in your own little pretend world? It's obvious you don't care. You don't stand for anything. All you been doing is ignoring people's points and facts with goal poles. Most of which have nothing to do with anything. Or you continue to act like it ain't a big deal. That ain't the way to go through life dude. I think it's all fun and games now, but at some point, that kind of attitude will screw you over later in life, or those you actually care about. Assuming you have any. And if you do, you should treat them with love, respect, and empathy. Just like any person that has decency. Family, friend, or stranger; it don't matter. I already know you're falling on deaf ears, so this means nothing to you.
To everyone else that actually cares about pointing out the messed up situations about these mass burials and graves: you have my high respect.
The Bull Romanus Pontifex
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We [therefore] weighing all and singular the premises with due meditation, and noting that since we had formerly by other letters of ours granted among other things free and ample faculty to the aforesaid King Alfonso -- to invade, search out, capture, vanquish, and subdue all Saracens and pagans whatsoever, and other enemies of Christ wheresoever placed, and the kingdoms, dukedoms, principalities, dominions, possessions, and all movable and immovable goods whatsoever held and possessed by them and to reduce their persons to perpetual slavery, and to apply and appropriate to himself and his successors the kingdoms, dukedoms, counties, principalities, dominions, possessions, and goods, and to convert them to his and their use and profit -- by having secured the said faculty, the said King Alfonso, or, by his authority, the aforesaid infante, justly and lawfully has acquired and possessed, and doth possess, these islands, lands, harbors, and seas, and they do of right belong and pertain to the said King Alfonso and his successors, nor without special license from King Alfonso and his successors themselves has any other even of the faithful of Christ been entitled hitherto, nor is he by any means now entitled lawfully to meddle therewith -- in order that King Alfonso himself and his successors and the infante.may be able the more zealously to pursue and may pursue this most pious and noble work, and most worthy of perpetual remembrance (which, since the salvation of souls, increase of the faith, and overthrow of its enemies may be procured thereby, we regard as a work wherein the glory of God, and faith in Him, and His commonwealth, the Universal Church, are concerned) in proportion as they, having been relieved of all the greater obstacles, shall find themselves supported by us and by the Apostolic See with favors and graces
https://news.yahoo.com/751-unmarked-graves-discovered-former-163920477.html
751 unmarked graves. Take a moment to let that number sink in. Seven hundred and fifty-one lives snuffed out in one so-called school. Their identities erased. Their culture demonized and oppressed. This is an atrocity.
751 unmarked graves. Take a moment to let that number sink in. Seven hundred and fifty-one lives snuffed out in one so-called school. Their identities erased. Their culture demonized and oppressed. This is an atrocity.
That's not what happened. The schools were made for the purpose of educating children. Years later, the government decided to take indigenous children from their parents and put them in the schools to westernize them, but that's not why they were created. They could, and did, use schools of multiple denominations, or completely secular schools. The only way for an organization to avoid this part of history would be to not have boarding schools in Canada. You're equating opening a perfectly normal boarding school in 19th century Canada with genocide.
You want to talk empathy? You don't, you want to attack me with the word, but I'd like to talk empathy. Empathy is understanding other people's feelings, or at least trying to. You know what absolutely none of you are doing? Trying to understand the feelings of the people working at these schools. Trying to understand people whose schools were turned into hell. And filled with plague. They had to watch these children die, and then bury them, as a consequence of working at a boarding school in Canada. You can't feel an ounce of empathy for that person? Are you all so addicted to your hate boners that you can't even consider the tragedy they lived through, even while I'm pointing it out to you? Don't talk about empathy, you have none. You care only about these graves in as much as you can rationalize your own hatred for others.
Do you know what the word catholic means?
That evil Catholic Church, letting their priests retire and providing them housing.
Am I doing this right?
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You can say similar things about the German police battalions and concentration camp guards that operated in Poland.
No, I'm equating genocide with genocide. Because that's what happened. To keep Seanchaidh's Nazi analogy going for funsies, it's worth remembering that the "good Germans" still stood by and said nothing as atrocities were carried out. I'd say that 751 dead kidnapped children counts as an atrocity.
You can. But if you're really trying to understand people's feelings, and think the German police battalions felt the same way as a boarding school teacher in a tuberculosis epidemic, you're not very good at understanding people's feelings.
It's fun that you reference a number you don't even understand the details of. 751 is the estimate number of unmarked graves in a cemetery. Not all are children, not all are even from the time period the school operated. It's a pretty meaningless distinction to say "well, actually, it's less than 751", but it's fascinating how little you care to go beyond the click bait headlines.