"Listen, there's an acceptable number of babies you can kill before it's a problem and unless you can tell me precisely how many babies they killed, I refuse to see a problem."
Mass Grave of Over 200 Children Found at Former Canadian Residential School
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So the church doesn't discriminate. They'll bury anybody in an unmarked grave after neglecting them to death.
What part of this has anything to do with the culpability of the Catholic Church and its agents? The basic point is that what you are doing is just a whine. Yes, people who are involved in committing atrocities sometimes feel bad. Boo hoo.
Anyway, there's actually evidence that many people in the German police battalions felt moral conflict and were deeply disturbed by the mass executions they were performing. I'm not aware of similar evidence for the teachers at residential schools with substantial body counts, though it is certainly reasonable to assume some level of ambivalence. In neither case does such constitute a nullification of guilt.
I do. Are you aware of the long history of Catholic institutions worldwide preaching about hell as a literal, torturous destination for sinners and heretics?
Oh, they very much do discriminate. The Truth & Reconciliation Commission has established that native children died in far greater proportionate numbers.
They were marked with wooden markers that are gone now in the place with 751 graves. Do you still not get the absurdity of calling someone a murderer for burying the dead?
The part where they made none of the decisions that lead to the issues. People in this thread continue to blame the Catholic Church for the decisions of the Canadian government, continue to characterize the death of children is intentional executions, continue to treat an unmarked grave as a deliberate coverup of the death. There is not yet a shred of evidence that the people in the schools ever intended to take children by force, the government did that and then hot potatoed the problem off on other people. Nor is their any evidence that the children buried at these sites were intentionally killed by anyone since they likely died of disease. Nor is their any evidence that the deaths were hidden by the schools, the government was the entity purging records.
Like, a nazi soldier may very well feel guilt and sorrow for slaughtering people and it takes away none of the culpability, but that's not what happened here. The people at these schools weren't slaughtering children, they were bearing witness to deaths that they didn't have the power to avoid. You may as well get mad at the nursing homes for letting their residents die after the government sent them infectious covid patients.
I'm not, cause that isn't accurate. The word heretic doesn't belong there. The closest you get in Church teachings to "heretics go to hell" is the condemnation of those who would try and split the Church into pieces, and we could argue about what is heresy and what isn't and what is an attack on the Church and what isn't, but none of it is going to apply to non-Catholics anyway. There is no teaching that I'm aware of in the history of the Church that would suggests indigenous people with their own non-Catholic beliefs are condemned to hell by that reason alone, and many teachings that say basically the opposite. Like, this is one of the big splits in the Protestant Reformation, the Catholic Church does not believe heaven is explicitly for believers, but for all good repentant people. Hell is not for non-believers, hell is for unrepentant sinners.
No, I'm calling them murderers for neglecting children to death. Pay attention.
Hmm...
Pope Eugene IV said:
(Little bit of classic early-Christian homophobia in there too).Theophilus said:
Tertullian said:
Archdiocesian consultant Joseph Arsenault said:
I appreciate that you went to the trouble to post those, but you do know it's pointless right? I mean the person you are responding to, is honestly trying to say that the catholic fucking church, has never said that people who don't believe and accept jesus christ as their personal lord and savior, and all that other voodoo, WON'T burn in hell for eternity. Despite countless examples, both historic, and contemporary in scripture, lectures, preaching and practice, of them saying this very fucking thing.
So you know, clearly your efforts are futile. The delusional level is off the charts at this point.
Probably because churches are often given a pass at following the fucking laws that the rest of us have to, due to things like religious freedoms and all that BS. They don't have to report what they use their donations on, secular non-profit organizations do. They often don't have to establish any certifications or standards for things like foster programs, after-school care programs, substance abuse, etc, and are allowed to just, do whatever the fuck they want, because religion. Secular non-profit organizations have to do things like have certifications, hire trained, accredited personnel, etc.
This just in, the pope isn't important to catholics, he's just a dude in a funny hat even to the faithful.
I didn't realize you could pick and choose what rules to follow. Sure showed me wrong. I guess your own personal brand of catholicism is at odds with the main church. But I don't think you get to speak for others then if you're not following conventional catholicism.
Sure thing. A canonised saint, a pope, and an official spokespeople for the Vatican are not authorities on Catholic belief, but you are.
Why the hell should I believe you over them? & You can hardly say you represent the current belief structure, & these are all outdated, because you specifically said that Catholics never preached it.
It's so transparently, obviously false.
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The Pope is, to Catholics, a direct conduit to God, is he not? For a direct conduit, they sure do seem to get it wrong a lot.