Mass Grave of Over 200 Children Found at Former Canadian Residential School
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Yes, I should totally be skeptical of the US war propaganda machine's desire to demonize Canada and the Catholic Church.
I think the most significant lie about this topic is the idea that the Church built these schools for the Canadian Indian Residential School system. The Catholic Church built schools for people to go to entirely voluntarily, and then the Canadian government hijacked them. I think the comparison to the New York Covid - nursing home scandal is pretty on point, the government made an order that forced existing places into situations where mass deaths were unavoidable. But funny enough, nobody is burning down nursing homes in New York.
Other lies, lots of people are accusing the Church of hiding deaths, when we know the Canadian government was destroying records. A lot of people are condemning the use of unmarked graves, when most of the graves were marked at the time, but with wooden markers that rot over time. That's basically just yelling at people for being poor. And like, the numbers being reported are getting inflated because almost all of the school had corresponding churches and cemeteries aren't limited to school use only. It's not like the info isn't out there, for the site with 751 unmarked graves, the chief there who organized the search was very forward that it was a known cemetery, that he was told as a kid not to play in that field because of the graves, that it wasn't all children, that the Church is cooperating with their work, etc. But you know, being reasonable isn't freaking out quite enough to get people to burn down churches, so lets pretend that Church killed 700 children and disposed of the evidence.
I'm not sure if you've noticed or not, but they aren't burning down government buildings in Canada right now. They're burning down Catholic churches. Canada should be grilled for what it did, and instead all the blame is being deflected to the Catholic Church.
Maybe they shouldn’t have gotten involved in the Canadian government’s scheme to murder and abuse (sexually, physically, and emotionally) all those kids then. Maybe they shouldn’t have been involved in identical schemes across the globe. But of course, you seem opposed to those schemes. So I’ll ask the only pertinent question, what are your thoughts on liberation theology?
Edit: This quite ironically reminded me of a Christian song
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The things the Church involved itself in were things like schools and orphanages. Things that are generally very good to have. The schemes were government abusing those things. If by building schools, you describe that as "involving themselves in schemes to murder children", than you're just implicitly against schools. I am not against building schools, not the Catholic schools, nor the protestant, nor the entirely secular. I am against forcibly removing children from their parents. I am against telling children that if they don't stay at a school then their parents will be put in prison. It was the government that did that, not the Church. Paradoxically, the Catholics that ran schools are simultaneously being condemned for imprisoning children andnot caring enough about runaways. Prior to this, there was a long period of time where Catholic missionaries set up schools near indigenous people that they could attend voluntarily while the government sent soldiers to do war with them. What's the Church going to say when they change methods over towards sending kids to schools? "No, take them away, and go back to shooting them. We'll have no part in this!" Like, come on, man!
That depends: do you want me to comment on the theological basis of liberation theology, or the practical effects of it, or the communist perversion of it, or the red scare response to the communist perversion of it? There's a lot of options. At the heart of it, the majority of what liberation theology amounts to is a focus on the corporal works of mercy and preference for those people described in the beatitudes. That is neither groundbreaking for Catholics nor exceptionally far removed from what Catholics were doing in all the situations you see as schemes to murder children. You don't exactly have to squint to see the similarities between catering exclusively to the poor and setting up schools specifically near those oppressed by the Canadian government.
Like, I understand in places with very explicit class struggles, like the Central and South American places where liberation theology largely comes from, that there is an overlap between Catholics tending to the poor and socialists fighting non-socialist governments, but Marxism and Catholicism are completely irreconcilable for reasons completely independent of economics, so people acting like the two go together are idiots, regardless of whether they're for or against that union.
You have a serious illness. Seek help.
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some Catholic churches in Canada have been burning for (as far as I'm aware) as yet unknown reasons.
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I knew that.
I'm just baffled at a response that finds that to be "very funny"
It's not. And assuming these were intentionally set (which hasn't been proven yet), I'm pretty sure that's a pretty severe crime.
No one was hurt unlike the children the catholic church molested.
Edit: and also killed.
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You just did though. You said you find arson very funny, and then actively doubled down. I don't know if you thought you were on twitter and would impress people with how edgy you were, but you said what you said.
One can find something funny without supporting people intentionally doing it (or doing it more). Anyway, this is a thread about mass graves; burning buildings seem quite unimportant by comparison.
Where they raped, neglected, and beat children while demanding they give up their cultural practices and cease speaking their ancestral languages.
No, I’m against raping, neglecting, and beating children.
The Catholic Church is quite famously not against forcibly removing children from their parents, given the example of Ireland, but also their participation here.
Telling them their parents will go to hell in that scenario or threatening them with physical and sexual abuse is fine though. Looking away as the Canadian government made those threats, profiting from their relationship built on these threats, also fine.
The Catholic Church, the largest religious body in the world, did not have any leverage to negotiate with the Canadian government about the treatment of these students, and these schools only coincidentally mirror those in Ireland where the Catholic Church setup the entire system themselves?
You might do well to listen to the podcast in post #225 of this thread. They didn't "setup the entire system themselves". They set up their system, homes for orphans, hospital services, etc. Then the Irish government pushed all their social services off onto the Catholic Church. They used the orphanages to hold juvenile delinquents. They used effectively women's shelters as places of confinement. They arrested prostitutes and gave them to the nuns to deal with. The Catholic institutions did not confine people in Ireland, they did not stop people from leaving. The Irish authorities were the ones arresting people and taking them back, the Irish government abused the Catholic Church's charity. And then when you take all the prostitutes, homeless women, single mothers, etc and put them in the same facility, you get a dramatically higher rate of miscarriage and infant mortality there. It does require any abuse to reach that outcome given the circumstances. When the government is arresting women for being single mothers, and insists on hiding them away from society, adopting out the children was a solution that allowed mother and child out of the captivity the government insisted on.
And I'm sure someone is going to think "well if it wasn't for Catholic morals, they wouldn't have been so cruel to single mothers and prostitutes", and that line of thinking is ahistorical nonsense, ignorant of the fact that Christ being born of an unwed woman and being kind to prostitutes was a unique take relative to pre-Christian culture. Even hypersexualized ancient Greece shoved such women out of the public eye.
Because if there's one thing Christians have excelled at historically, it's being as Christlike as possible.
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And allowed them to be used for medical experiments.
Religious orders allowed over 2,000 Irish children to be used in medical experiments | IrishCentral.com
Cork historian discovers shocking evidence of 1930s trials.
The paper says that old medical records show that 2,051 children and babies in Irish care homes were given a one-shot diphtheria vaccine for international drugs giant Burroughs Wellcome between 1930 and 1936.
UK firm tried HIV drug on orphans
GlaxoSmithKline embroiled in scandal in which babies and children were allegedly used as ‘laboratory animals’.
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British drug giant GlaxoSmithKline is embroiled in the scandal. The firm sponsored experiments on the children from Incarnation Children's Centre, a New York care home that specialises in treating HIV sufferers and is run by Catholic charities.
The children had either been infected with HIV or born to HIV-positive mothers. Their parents were dead, untraceable or deemed unfit to look after them.
According to documents obtained by The Observer, Glaxo has sponsored at least four medical trials since 1995 using Hispanic and black children at Incarnation.
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Before each dose of herpes, the babies were given a preliminary injection of the vaccine, to see whether it would stop the spread of the herpes. Seven of the children showed an adverse reaction after the second preliminary injection and did not receive a full follow-up dose. The origins of the experiment – funded with a National Health and Medical Research Council grant – can be found in The Medical Journal of Australia of 5 March 1949, where the researchers published the results of an earlier herpes in children” study at the home.
Fifty-one of the 240 babies at the home were used between March 1946 and February 1947. Broadmeadows Babies’ Home, opened in 1890 and run by the Roman Catholic Sisters of St Joseph, housed orphans and wards of state until they were about five years old, when they were sent to other Catholic institutions throughout Victoria. It closed in 1975.
do you mean in Ireland only, because if not this is massively disputable.