A few thoughts about January 6, 2021

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Kinnnnnda ever so slightly concerning how many times these coordinated actions have been collectively pointed to with still no official attempt to properly recognise the problems, halt them and make clear their intentions as to why. Is there not even a single authority capable of doing anything other than nonchalantly shrugging?

More than a year after Donald Trump lost the presidency, election officials across the country are facing a growing barrage of claims that the vote was not secure and demands to investigate or decertify the outcome, efforts that are eating up hundreds of hours of government time and spreading distrust in elections.

The ongoing attack on the vote is being driven in part by well-funded Trump associates, who have gained audiences with top state officials and are pushing to inspect protected machines and urging them to conduct audits or sign on to a lawsuit seeking to overturn the 2020 results. And the campaign is being bolstered by grass-roots energy, as local residents who have absorbed baseless allegations of ballot fraud are now forcing election administrators to address the false claims.

The fallout has spread from the six states where Trump sought to overturn the outcome in 2020 to deep-red places such as Idaho, where officials recently hand-recounted ballots in three counties to refute claims of vote-flipping, and Oklahoma, where state officials commissioned an investigation to counter allegations that voting machines were hacked.

State and local officials said no one has presented actual evidence that rampant fraud tainted the 2020 election, and numerous ballot reviews and legal proceedings have affirmed that the vote was secure. Yet they and their staffs have been forced into a high-stakes game of whack-a-mole, debunking a steady stream of false allegations only to see similar claims emerge again from other groups or in another states.

The onslaught is exhausting and troubling, officials said, as they launch preparations for the 2022 midterm elections — and is further eroding faith in the nation’s voting systems.

“If we want to continue to provide safe, secure and accessible elections, constantly running down absurd conspiracy theories is not sustainable,” said Patrick Gannon, a spokesman for the North Carolina State Board of Elections. “For many election workers, this has become a full-time job.”


Among those leading the efforts against the 2020 presidential election are MyPillow founder Mike Lindell — who said in an interview this week that he has spent $25 million promoting claims of election fraud — and one of his associates, Douglas Frank, a longtime math and science teacher in Ohio who claims to have discovered secret algorithms used to rig the 2020 election.

Throughout the year, the two men have been pressing their case with state and local election officials around the country and gaining meetings with many of them, according to people familiar with their activities.

In Ohio, Frank met for more than two hours in May with the senior staff of Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose (R), presenting unsubstantiated claims that voting machines are connected to the Internet and have been hacked, according to a recording of the meeting obtained by The Washington Post. Frank warned that he planned to pursue multiple legal actions around the country and said there could be consequences if LaRose’s office did not cooperate.

“I’m warning you that I’ve been going around the country. We’re starting lawsuits everywhere,” Frank said, according to the recording. “And I want you guys to be allies, not opponents. I want to be on your team, and I’m warning you.”

After the meeting, LaRose posted a video on Facebook reiterating that under state law, no voting machines are connected to any network.

The doubts that Lindell, Frank and other Trump allies have whipped up about the vote have taken root across the country.

In North Carolina this fall, local activists and at least two Republican lawmakers sent the State Board of Elections allegations, including an outlandish claim that all 100 county election systems were hacked in 2020 and thousands of votes for Trump switched to Joe Biden. Election staffers and the state’s cybersecurity team compiled dozens of pages of responses disproving the charges, one at a time.

And in Marion County, Fla., this fall, some local residents conducted their own canvass of 2020 voters and presented their findings to election officials, claiming that many who cast ballots were “ghost” voters who didn’t actually live at the addresses listed on their registrations.

As in other instances, their claims were debunked. Wesley Wilcox (R), the Marion County elections supervisor, said the activists made the “absurd” claim that the number of voters who were registered but did not cast ballots in 2020 was evidence of fraud. He noted that the objectors did not provide the name of a single voter who was improperly registered at the time of last year’s election.

“They’re trying to prove voter fraud off of nonexistent issues,” Wilcox said.

Even as election officials rebut the growing conspiracy theories, the demands from some of those pushing false claims are escalating — and their rhetoric is becoming more extreme.

On social media, Frank recently began calling for prison or “firing squads” for those who do not agree to hear him out. On Saturday, he wrote that Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, a Democrat who has refused to entertain his claims, should face a jury “capable of dispensing capital punishment.”

In an interview this week, Benson said she views the latest escalation as an assault on democracy. She said she intends to spend next year fighting back, and urging Americans to do the same.

Benson called the pressure on election officials “a political strategy to break down our democracy and put people in charge of our states who are unaccountable and will act in a way that doesn’t reflect the will of the people.”

Asked Tuesday about his comments, Frank said that after he and others who share his view about 2020 “win the war,” election officials such as Benson should face trial — adding that federal law calls for traitors to be subject to capital punishment.

“After the Nuremberg trials, there were hangings and firing squads,” Frank wrote in an email, referring to the military tribunals that tried Nazi leaders after World War II. In an interview, he added that he believes it is critical for officials to investigate elections to restore faith in their outcome: “I firmly believe they are not fair and free. I believe they are being manipulated.”

Lindell previously told The Post that he has hired Frank for some projects but that he is not aware of all of his activities. In an interview this week, Lindell said he is working hard to protect democracy and prays for people who believe that he’s undermining it.

“What happened in 2020 was completely the biggest crime in the history of the United States, probably the world,” he told The Post. “I’m not backing down, and I hope you wouldn’t, and anyone wouldn’t in this country, if they knew what I knew.”

Asked about the fraudulent claims and incendiary rhetoric used by his allies, Trump spokeswoman Liz Harrington said in a statement that the former president “supports any patriotic American who dedicates their time and effort to exposing the rigged 2020 Presidential Election.”


Leading the charge
Trump is leading the ongoing assault on the integrity of the 2020 election, regularly firing off statements in which he falsely asserts that the vote was rigged and using the issue as a litmus test for which candidates he endorses.

In a statement Tuesday, he said that the real “insurrection” happened not on Jan. 6, when a mob of his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol, but on Nov. 3, the day Americans elected Biden.

When Frank met with LaRose’s senior staffers in May, he twice told them that he would be calling the former president immediately afterward to provide an update, according to the recording.

Frank told The Post this week that when he told Ohio officials he would be calling the former president, he didn’t mean it literally. He said he meant to show that he had connections to powerful people who could be helpful.

“I didn’t mean it as a threat. I meant it as an opportunity,” he said.

In June, Frank spoke at a Trump rally in Ohio, despite the objections of some Trump aides, who opposed his making a dry PowerPoint presentation about fraud theories to the crowd, according to people familiar with the event. Backstage, Frank conferred with the former president and a number of his advisers, according to a person who was present. Frank has separately spoken to Harrington, an adviser said.

Lindell interviewed Trump at his Florida club this fall for a show streamed on Lindell’s website, and the former president has praised the MyPillow executive for “fighting” for him, a Trump adviser said.

At the Trump rally in Ohio this summer, Lindell could be heard telling throngs of Trump fans that he would be showing more evidence “soon” as they mobbed him for photos.

Frank has been open in his quest to recruit state and local officials to his cause. He has told The Post in recent months that he has visited “over 30 states” and has met with about 100 election administrators. In April, he spoke to Tina Peters, the clerk in Mesa County, Colo., “and showed her how her election was hacked,” Frank previously told The Post.

The following month, Peters allegedly brought an outsider into her election offices to copy the hard drives of voting machines, an episode now under criminal investigation. Peters has said that she gave access to the outsider to help preserve election records and that doing so was within the scope of her responsibilities.

Lindell told The Post that he has spoken to “20 to 30” Republican attorneys general in a bid to persuade them to sign on to a lawsuit asking the Supreme Court to nullify the 2020 results in key states Biden won. He announced in early November his plans to file the suit two days before Thanksgiving, but the date came and went and no attorney general had agreed to do so. Lindell posted the complaint online without named plaintiffs and, without offering proof, accused Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel of sabotaging his effort.

Lindell said Tuesday that he remains in regular contact with about a dozen attorneys general, whom he declined to name, and that he still expects them to file a revised version of the lawsuit. He said that his claims about McDaniel were based on something he heard, and not on evidence. But, he added, “the RNC collects a lot of money, and never did anything for the election crimes.”

In a statement, RNC spokeswoman Danielle Alvarez called his criticism “reckless and completely false,” saying the national party financed 50 election-related lawsuits in the last election cycle and is pursuing more than 30 suits now.

“We will continue to act and get results while others continue to do nothing more than talk,” she said.

Numerous election security experts have dismissed the fraud allegations made by Lindell and Frank, but the claims have found traction among some Republican legislators.

In North Carolina this fall, a Republican state lawmaker sent officials an ominous-looking map of the state showing red lines identified as “remote connections” emanating like laser beams from all of the state’s 100 counties.

State officials said there is no merit to the document, which attributes the information to retired Army colonel Phil Waldron, another Trump ally who has challenged the results of the election.

“The State Board continues to have no credible evidence of the 2020 general election results being manipulated in any way,” said Gannon, whose office has received dozens of inquiries demanding forensic audits and explanations about the vote.

Earlier this month, Waldron was revealed to have briefed some members of Congress ahead of the congressional certification of the vote on Jan. 6 with a PowerPoint presentation that proposed options for replacing or rejecting Democratic electors in “states where fraud occurred.”

Waldron did not respond to a request for comment.

The “remote connections” chart, along with other documents, was sent to North Carolina officials by state Rep. George Cleveland (R). He asked for a “complete” explanation of what had happened in the election, according to emails obtained by The Post through a public-records request.

Gannon responded with detailed explanations, not only from his office, but also from the North Carolina National Guard, which runs the state’s Cyber Security Response Force and is responsible for monitoring election security. In response to one claim alleging manipulation of vote counts, the State Board of Elections wrote, “The allegation is so vague as to be incomprehensible.”

In an interview, Cleveland said he was satisfied that North Carolina’s system was not hacked. But he said he remains convinced that the 2020 election was rigged in other places — a common position among those who have been convinced that there was no widespread fraud in their own states.

“When I first saw Frank’s presentation on the polynomial thing, I was impressed,” Cleveland said, referring to the claim that an algorithm Frank calls a “6th-degree polynomial” was used to rig the 2020 results. “He did a very good job. But after I’ve looked into some other things and talked to other people, until he will give his data and his methodology to others to prove what he’s saying, I’m going to be very skeptical.”


'They seek me out'
Lindell held a “cyber symposium” in August where he showcased claims of fraud and spent the ensuing weeks meeting with officials who asked him to present them with his evidence, he told The Post. In September, he told The Post that he had met with officials in states including Florida, Missouri, Alabama, North Dakota and South Dakota.

“I’ve been going state to state and showing them evidence directly, and they all want to do audits,” Lindell said at the time.

Frank said he is often asked for help by local activists who have seen his presentations online or his posts on the social media site Telegram.

“Someone will call from a state and say, ‘Dr. Frank, our elections are ripped off. Will you come help us?’ ” he told The Post last month. “They seek me out; I’m not seeking them out.”

After he gives a talk in a community, Frank said, “hundreds of people are now motivated, or maybe a thousand people are motivated by my talk, and they start canvassing, calling legislators and calling county officials. They call me back and say, ‘Hey, we’d like you to come meet with this legislator and this county clerk.’ ”

He said he has met personally with numerous state officials, including Missouri Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft (R). On Dec. 1, Frank wrote on Telegram that he had “negotiated a deal” in which Ashcroft “agreed to take up the cause if we brought him 100 phantom voters.”

Ashcroft declined to comment, as did several Republican officials whom Lindell or Frank said they contacted.

Other state officials have handled the outreach gingerly by agreeing to listen to the election deniers, but then stating publicly that there is no evidence of fraud.

Alabama Secretary of State John Merrill (R) said in an interview that he met with Lindell and Frank twice this fall — and traveled to Trump’s private club in Florida this month to meet with the former president. Merrill described the meetings as cordial and said he is always willing to meet with anyone, but he also said that the allegations of a rigged election did not have merit.

Lindell claimed to have IP addresses and passwords proving that Alabama elections systems had been hacked, but he did not present any in the meeting, Merrill said. The dozens of voters registered to a single address that Lindell said proved that the voter rolls were fraudulent were actually residents of Big Oak Ranch, a well-known community where children from troubled homes live with foster families.

Merrill said he personally knows a couple of the voters living at Big Oak Ranch whose names were presented to him as evidence of fraud.

“A simple Google check would have told you what these places are,” Merrill recalled telling the pair. “Instead you reached a supposition that voter fraud occurred.”

Frank acknowledged that the meeting did not go well. “We have since changed our approach as a result,” he said.

In an interview Tuesday, Lindell continued to insist that more than 100,000 votes were flipped from Trump to Biden in Alabama, and he alleged that since his meeting with Merrill, his investigators uncovered more vulnerabilities in Alabama’s electronic poll books.

“We’re going to be circling back to Alabama, obviously, long before the 2022 election and show him that the machines are defective,” Lindell said.

After the meeting, Merrill said he sent letters to every registrar, court clerk, probate judge and sheriff in the state, warning them not to provide information to Lindell or Frank that is not readily available to the public because state law forbids it. Merrill said that he is not aware of anyone doing so and that if it happens, “I will personally contact the district attorney in that circuit and seek an indictment.”

In Ohio, Frank got an audience with LaRose’s staff after connecting with Joe Blystone, who is challenging Gov. Mike DeWine (R) for the GOP nomination in part on a platform claiming that fraud tainted the state’s elections last year. Blystone in turn made contact with someone he knew in LaRose’s office and requested a meeting, according to both Frank and Blystone, the latter confirming in an interview that he set up and attended the meeting.

In the meeting, Frank claimed he had abundant evidence, but when staff members asked to see it, he said it was coming soon, according to the recording. At one point, Frank said voters in Ohio were sent absentee ballots without requesting them — a recipe for fraud, he argued.

State officials pushed back, explaining that voters actually received forms to request absentee ballots, not the ballots themselves. Frank quickly backtracked, conceding that he did not yet have the evidence about the ballots, according to the recording.

At other moments, Frank suggested that there could be political consequences for LaRose if he did not cooperate, according to the recording. He said he would like to send a forensic team to find evidence of fraud by inspecting voting systems. And he claimed that there are people — “plants,” he called them — across the country collecting proof that voting machines are connected to the Internet and therefore susceptible to being hacked.

“We can arrange for that” in Ohio, he said, according to the recording.

Frank told The Post that all of his comments were offered in the spirit of helping Ohio officials expose fraud and that he was disappointed they did not take him up on that offer. He also claimed to know of evidence of election fraud that has not been presented publicly because of national security sensitivities.

LaRose spokesman Rob Nichols said the office denied Frank’s requests, but he added that the secretary’s office is open to meeting with any group claiming to have evidence of voting irregularities and did not find Frank’s inquiries burdensome.

In an interview in November, LaRose offered a blunt assessment of Frank’s theories.

Almost nobody “knows what a sixth-order polynomial even is, and it’s got nothing to do with how elections are run,” LaRose said. “But it sounds impressive, and if you have a preconceived sort of notion about what you want to believe and somebody with a title tells you a bunch of things, this is what conspiracy theories are based on.”

Even in states that Trump won overwhelmingly, officials have been compelled to address fraud claims.

After Lindell’s symposium in August, Oklahoma lawmakers under pressure from their constituents asked State Election Board Secretary Paul Ziriax about Lindell’s claim that tens of thousands of votes were flipped in each of Oklahoma’s 77 counties.

Ziriax requested an independent investigation that found no merit to those claims, he told members of the state legislature in a letter in October.

In Idaho, Chief Deputy Secretary of State Chad Houck said that he has not spoken with Lindell or Frank but that his office has fielded phone calls and emails from people asking what state officials planned to do about assertions on Lindell’s website that the results were electronically manipulated in all 44 counties in Idaho.

Houck said he knew that the claim was bogus but that he didn’t want to just say so — he wanted to show it. So in late September, state officials conducted a full hand-recount of ballots in two small counties, which showed that there was no vote-flipping, as Lindell alleged. They filmed the process, posted footage online and issued a news release.

In early October, they counted a sample of ballots in a larger county, and Houck issued a second news release declaring Lindell’s claims “without merit.”

“It takes hard work to build confidence in a state’s elections system, and careless accusations like this can cause tremendous harm. Doing nothing and saying nothing would have been like conceding its truth,” Houck said in a statement at the time.

That posture could cost Houck, who is running for secretary of state in the deeply Republican state. But he said it was important to speak out.

“You put the facts out and you let the chips fall where they may,” he told The Post.
 
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What's not a good sign for expertise is that Devin Nunes, Congressional Trump crony, is resigning from politics to become CEO. He will therefore have achieved what many set out in politics to do: springboard themselves into a fat corporate salary. Trump does love his loyal subjects, although it's extremely unclear to me whether you'd want a guy with little significant business experience running that big a company. Nunes does have a business degree, and ran a farm or something. But, you know...
Weird. I recall Donald and maybe Nunes too finding it very ''suspicious' when Hunter Biden got to be on a company's board despite not having enough bussiness experience. And here is Trump installing someone with little business experience himself.
 

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Weird. I recall Donald and maybe Nunes too finding it very ''suspicious' when Hunter Biden got to be on a company's board despite not having enough bussiness experience. And here is Trump installing someone with little business experience himself.
I would argue that a high ranking government job entitles a person to be on a board because of their knowledge and experience. However, this overwhelmingly tends to be a non-executive board position, because their experience does not readily translate into the fine detail of corporate operations in order to be CEO, CFO, etc. In many cases they take more nebulous advisor roles.
 

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Hearing about how Trump is going to host an event where he's going to reveal what ''really'' happened got me thinking.

I think that to some degree I kinda respect the right's ability to drag on discussions for months, years and decades while holding a position that's hopelessly lost. And the tragic thing is that despite having lost the debate long ago they seem to be winning the overall battle to decide what should(or should not) be done.

Trump's deranged cult went berserk and stormed the capitol. This is an undisputed fact that can hardly be argued against. And yet despite this the Republicans refuse to accept this and keep throwing out bizarre conspiracy theories or explanations about why somehow Trump isn't to blame, or how it all isn't even that bad. And despite everyone looking in from the outside knowing that this stance is really bizarre its undeniably effective. The Republicans have managed to craft a narrative that their base finds acceptable. A narrative that allows them to downplay the event and gives them excuses not to investigate what happened or pursue the guilty. The Republicans have lost the debate of whether or not January 6 was an assault on democracy, they have lost the debate of whether Trump was to blame or not, and yet despite this they have created enough wriggle room to escape having to take action and punish or truly condemn those responsible.

And the same we can see in the debate about climate change. The right has decisively lost this debate decades ago. It is no longer up to debate whether or not climate change is real, there's no longer a debate about whether or not mankind is causing it or not. The scientific consensus is overwhelming. And yet the right still pretends that we don't truly know whether it exists or not, that we truly don't know whether mankind is causing climate change or not. The scientific consensus is already overwhelming yet they still insist that this isn't the case and that more research needs to be done. The right has already lost this debate and yet despite this they have consistently manage to stall attempts to stave off global warming while stubbornly pretending that their position is equal to that of the people who do recognize it exists.

Or the vaccines. The lynchpin of the anti vax movement was an article that was discredited decades ago and the one that published it lost his career due to just how shody it was. And yet there still a large portion of the right(and to be fair the left too) that insists vaccine causes autism. Similarly the question about whether Covid is real and dangerous or whether its just the flue was also solved for quite some time now yet the right tries to pretend it still up to debate.

And each time this desperate clutching to a lost position is successful. Everyone knows climate change is real but the right has blocks most measures to try and do anything about it, the Republicans are getting less convinced that January 6 was a big deal rather than more convinced and the anti vaxers are clearly radicalizing.
 
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No-one should have to know who Joe Oltermann is. But we're way past shoulda-woulda-couldas now.


 
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No-one should have to know who Joe Oltermann is. But we're way past shoulda-woulda-couldas now.


I don't think it's as bad for Oltermann as you think it is. He can just say he THOUGHT it was an antifa conference call. Trump has already used this defence. That's how all these people get away with making outlandish claims. And the best part, if you call them out, YOU are the bad guy for 'lying' about them (even though all you were doing was quoting them.)

Edit: Man I thought their name was Ottermann

Edit again: What's crazy about Oltmann is that, after that big conference where they booed Trump a week ago, they got sick from Covid. And then blamed it on Antifa sending them Anthrax through the mail to make them sick
 
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I don't think it's as bad for Oltermann as you think it is. He can just say he THOUGHT it was an antifa conference call. Trump has already used this defence. That's how all these people get away with making outlandish claims. And the best part, if you call them out, YOU are the bad guy for 'lying' about them (even though all you were doing was quoting them.)

Edit: Man I thought their name was Ottermann

Edit again: What's crazy about Oltmann is that, after that big conference where they booed Trump a week ago, they got sick from Covid. And then blamed it on Antifa sending them Anthrax through the mail to make them sick
Tbh I wasn't trying to imply anything bad would come to Oltmann, damn if only I had any such hope in this fucked up sociopolitical climate. The main point was that his only claim to fame at all was making a literally baseless claim about this call to the extent that even conservative pro-Trump radio hosts called him out on his total lack of evidence when interviewing him about the call. It's just fucking insane how little evidence you need to become a saint for the anti-election crowd. Perfect for grifters, yet Oltmann was such a low effort grift it's insulting to any other professional grifters let alone people who care about integrity and peer-reviewed facts.
 

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It's just fucking insane how little evidence you need to become a saint for the anti-election crowd.
People like Oltmann are telling them what they want to hear: They're winners, they're the majority, America is their country alone, and it's only because of liberals cheating that Trump did not become God-Emperor of Earth.
 
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People like Oltmann are telling them what they want to hear: They're winners, they're the majority, America is their country alone, and it's only because of liberals cheating that Trump did not become God-Emperor of Earth.
Just say identity politics

That's all this is
 

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A key adviser to Donald Trump’s legal team in their post-election quest to unearth evidence of fraud has delivered a trove of documents to Jan. 6 investigators describing those efforts.

Bernard Kerik, the former New York City Police commissioner and ally of Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, also provided a “privilege log” describing materials he declined to provide to the committee.

Among the withheld documents is one titled “DRAFT LETTER FROM POTUS TO SEIZE EVIDENCE IN THE INTEREST OF NATIONAL SECURITY FOR THE 2020 ELECTIONS.” Kerik’s attorney Timothy Parlatore provided the privilege log to the panel, which said the file originated on Dec. 17, a day before Trump huddled in the Oval Office with advisers including former Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, where they discussed the option of seizing election equipment in states whose results Trump was attempting to overturn.

Trump ultimately opted against that strategy, but his consideration of the option is one of the key questions the panel is probing as part of its broader investigation into attempts to overturn the election.

It’s unclear whether the letter is related to the same plan and if Trump knew of its existence. Kerik withheld it, describing it as privileged because of its classification as “attorney work product.”


Another document provided by Kerik to the panel included emails between Kerik and associates about paying for rooms at the Willard Hotel. Kerik had been subpoenaed by the panel on Nov. 8 as part of its investigation into the so-called war room at the Willard Hotel, where Trump allies met to strategize about preventing Congress from certifying Joe Biden’s victory. The panel had originally sent a letter accompanying the subpoena that had incorrectly suggested Kerik was in the war room on Jan. 5, leading Kerik to demand an apology.

The Jan. 6 select committee declined to comment on the new materials.

As part of a seven-page letter to the panel, Parlatore told the committee the former police commissioner would accept a voluntary interview with the panel on Jan. 13, 2022, though he expressed concerns about the conditions of the interview and whether a transcript and recording would be released immediately after, or whether Parlatore could make his own recording of the proceedings.

According to Parlatore, the panel retracted its agreement for a voluntary interview and demanded a deposition instead after he sent his letter to the committee. He expressed dismay at the committee’s retraction of the voluntary interview.

“They seem more interested in creating an appearance of noncompliance than conducting an actual investigation,” he said in a text message.

Another 22-page document, titled "STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS PLAN - GIULIANI PRESIDENTIAL LEGAL DEFENSE TEAM," describes a 10-day blitz aimed at Republican House and Senate members to pressure them to vote against certifying the 2020 election results. The effort was focused, according to the document, on six swing states: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

The document says its primary channels to disseminate messaging on these efforts included "presidential tweets" as well as talk radio, conservative bloggers, social media influencers, Trump campaign volunteers and other media allies. A list of "key team members" supporting the effort included "Freedom Caucus Members" — a reference to the group of hardline House conservatives, some of whom backed Trump's effort to overturn the election.

Other team members listed include: Rudy Giuliani, "Peter Navarro Team" and "identified legislative leaders" in each of the six swing states.

The document also described a list of actions the group intended to organize, including "protests at weak members' homes," "protests at local officials homes/offices" and "protests in DC - rally for key House and Senate members."

It is unclear if Kerik would appear for a deposition instead of an interview. A Dec. 23 letter to the panel from Parlatore had included disputed claims that the Jan. 6 panel was structurally invalid and called its deposition process "fatally flawed." The panel has previously rejected those arguments.

Parlatore declined to comment on the withheld documents but said they hoped the committee would agree to conditions allowing the full disclosure of all documents
 
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Sadly hilarious that I got a video ad for Candice Owens' show trip to the UK to speak with wanker Farage while reading this page. 😬

WASHINGTON (AP) — They’ve interviewed more than 300 witnesses, collected tens of thousands of documents and traveled around the country to talk to election officials who were pressured by Donald Trump.

Now, after six months of intense work, the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection is preparing to go public.

In the coming months, members of the panel will start to reveal their findings against the backdrop of the former president and his allies’ persistent efforts to whitewash the riots and reject suggestions that he helped instigate them. The committee also faces the burden of trying to persuade the American public that their conclusions are fact-based and credible.

But the nine lawmakers — seven Democrats and two Republicans — are united in their commitment to tell the full story of Jan. 6, and they are planning televised hearings and reports that will bring their findings out into the open.

Their goal is not only to show the severity of the riot, but also to make a clear connection between the attack and Trump’s brazen pressure on the states and Congress to overturn Joe Biden’s legitimate election as president.


“The full picture is coming to light, despite President Trump’s ongoing efforts to hide the picture,” said Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney, the committee’s vice chairwoman and one of its two Republican members.

“I don’t think there’s any area of this broader history in which we aren’t learning new things,” she said.

While the fundamental facts of Jan. 6 are known, the committee says the extraordinary trove of material they have collected — 35,000 pages of records so far, including texts, emails and phone records from people close to Trump — is fleshing out critical details of the worst attack on the Capitol in two centuries, which played out on live television.

They hope to fill in the blanks about the preparations before the attack, the financing behind the Jan. 6 rally that preceded it and the extensive White House campaign to overturn the 2020 election. They are also investigating what Trump himself was doing as his supporters fought their way into the Capitol.

True accountability may be fleeting. Congressional investigations are not criminal cases and lawmakers cannot dole out punishments. Even as the committee works, Trump and his allies continue to push lies about election fraud while working to place similarly minded officials at all levels of state and local government.

“I think that the challenge that we face is that the attacks on our democracy are continuing — they didn’t come to an end on Jan. 6,” said another panel member, Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., also chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

Still, the lawmakers hope they can present the public with a thorough accounting that captures what could have been “an even more serious and deeper constitutional crisis,” as Cheney put it.

“I think this is one of the single most important congressional investigations in history,” Cheney said.


The committee is up against the clock. Republicans could disband the investigation if they win the House majority in the November 2022 elections. The committee’s final report is expected before then, with a possible interim report coming in the spring or summer.

In the hearings, which could start in the coming weeks, the committee wants to “bring the people who conducted the elections to Washington and tell their story,” said the panel’s chairman, Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss. Their testimony, he said, will further debunk Trump’s claims of election fraud.

The committee has interviewed several election officials in battleground states, including Arizona, Georgia, Michigan and Pennsylvania, about Trump’s pressure campaign. In some cases, staff have traveled to those states to gather more information.

The panel also is focusing on the preparations for the Jan. 6 rally near the White House where Trump told his supporters to “fight like hell” — and how the rioters may have planned to block the electoral count if they had been able to get their hands on the electoral ballots.

They need to amplify to the public, Thompson said, “that it was an organized effort to change the outcome of the election by bringing people to Washington … and ultimately if all else failed, weaponize the people who came by sending them to the Capitol.”

About 90% of the witnesses called by the committee have cooperated, Thompson said, despite the defiance of high-profile Trump allies such as Steve Bannon and former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows. Lawmakers said they have been effective at gathering information from other sources in part because they share a unity of purpose rarely seen in a congressional investigation.

House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy of California, a close Trump ally, decided not to appoint any GOP members to the committee after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., rejected two of his picks last summer.

Pelosi, who created the select committee after Republican senators rejected an evenly bipartisan outside commission, subsequently appointed Republicans Cheney and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, Trump critics who shared the Democrats’ desire to investigate the attack.


“I think you can see that Kevin made an epic mistake,” Kinzinger said. “I think part of the reason we’ve gone so fast and have been so effective so far is because we’ve decided and we have the ability to do this as a nonpartisan investigation.”

Kinzinger said the investigation would be “a very different scene” if Republicans allied with Trump were participating and able to obstruct some of their work.

“I think in five or 10 years, when school kids learn about Jan. 6, they’re going to get the accurate story,” Kinzinger said. “And I think that’s going to be dependent on what we do here.”

Democrats say having two Republicans working with them has been an asset, especially as they try to reach conservative audiences who may still believe Trump’s falsehoods about a stolen election.

“They bring to the table perspectives and ability to translate a little bit what is being reflected in conservative media, or how this might be viewed through a conservative lens,” says Rep. Stephanie Murphy, D-Fla. “And that’s been really helpful.”

There is “no division, no hostility, no partisan bickering — it’s like, let’s just get this job done,” said California Rep. Zoe Lofgren, another member and a veteran of congressional investigations going back to the Watergate investigation of President Richard Nixon when she was a staffer on the House Judiciary Committee.

The nine-member group has bonded over a friendly text chain where they discuss business and occasionally their personal lives. There are messages wishing a happy birthday, for example, or congratulating another on a child’s wedding.

“It’s good, it’s how Congress should be,” said Rep. Pete Aguilar, D-Calif.

Aguilar says the biggest challenges for the committee are the calendar and the small group of Trump loyalists who are trying to run out the clock by stonewalling or suing them. In the end, he said, he thinks the committee’s final report will stand the test of time, similar to the investigations of the 9/11 attacks and Watergate.

For now, though, “we are still in the eye of the hurricane,” Aguilar said.
 
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Sadly hilarious that I got a video ad for Candice Owens' show trip to the UK to speak with wanker Farage while reading this page. 😬
Good. I want to see some actual facts to counter Trump's upcoming river of bullshit regarding the insurrection.
 
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When the 2020 election didn’t go Trump’s way, Peter Navarro did something dangerous. He began to do his own research.

Navarro, an economist whom Donald Trump tapped to lead his trade war against China, didn’t stay in his lane at the White House. He’d already inserted himself in the administration’s botched pandemic response, pushing the unproven hypothesis that Covid-19 escaped from a Wuhan lab. And after the 2020 vote, Navarro began compiling a series of inflammatory dossiers on the outcome — with names like “The Immaculate Deception,” “The Art of the Steal,” and “Yes, Trump Won” — pushing the Big Lie that the election was stolen.

Navarro’s reports include debunked allegations of “outright voter fraud” across six battleground states, including “the large-scale manufacturing of fake ballots, bribery, and dead voters” as well as roundly discredited conspiracy theories alleging sordid connections between voting machine companies, a former Venezuelan dictator, the Clinton Foundation, and George Soros.

Unlike most amateur-hour election sleuths, however, Navarro had direct access to the aggrieved president. In an extended interview with Rolling Stone, Navarro revealed that he personally briefed Trump on his research in the Oval Office — and that Trump directed, on the spot, that Navarro’s findings be distributed to the entire GOP conference on Capitol Hill.

That advocacy by Trump helped Navarro, along with close ally Steve Bannon, prepare for a Jan. 6 plot they hoped could overturn Joe Biden’s victory. Together with Bannon, Navarro developed a plan to block the Electoral College vote count, called the Green Bay Sweep after a daring football play run by the NFL’s Packers in the Vince Lombardi era. (Bannon did not respond to a detailed list of questions about his involvement in this effort.)


The ploy called on sitting congressmen and senators, during the Jan. 6 joint session of Congress, to object to the counting of votes from six battleground states, where Navarro had decried fraud and electoral irregularities. Across both chambers, each state challenge would prompt four hours of debate. The intention was to create a 24-hour Republican propaganda blitz that could “punch through” directly to the public and give Mike Pence, in his capacity as Senate president, cover to delay certification of the Electoral College vote, sending the contested tallies back to the states.

Navarro, Bannon, and their GOP allies on the Hill hoped the contested states would revoke their certifications, deprive either candidate of the required 270 Electoral College votes, and give Trump one last shot victory — with the House of Representatives ultimately voting to decide the outcome of the 2020 election, using an arcane protocol that favored Trump.

What follows is an edited transcript of Rolling Stone’s conversation with Navarro. Misinformation Navarro pushed about election fraud has been omitted.



How did the Green Bay Sweep plan come together?

By the time early January was rolling around. Two things are obvious. One is that [Trump campaign manager Bill] Stepien, [deputy manager Justin] Clark and [Trump son-in-law Jared] Kushner, were not prosecuting a challenge [to Biden’s victory], and more importantly, they weren’t providing the logistical or financial support to this very small band of people led by Giuliani and Bernie Kerik to look at things. And the other thing that’s happening is the courts were rejecting challenge after challenge, not based on the evidence. But rather on procedural technicalities.

So the whole concept of the Green Bay Sweep was twofold. One was to provide a public forum whereby grievances we had regarding possible fraud and election irregularities could be aired in 24-hours of televised hearings to the American public, and thereby bypass the mainstream media’s biased coverage. And then the second part was to have a mechanism, following in the constitution, that would allow those likely illegal [Electoral College] votes to be sent back to the states for further review.



What was the endgame? You get Pence to delay certification of the Electoral College vote, send this to overtime — and then what?

One of two things could happen. They go back there [to the states], they look at it and they say, “Nope. It’s certified.” [The votes] come back, and that would be it. Fair enough.

But the more likely scenario based on our assessment of the evidence was that states would withdraw any certification. And the election would be thrown to the House of Representatives. And even though the House is controlled by Democrats, the way votes would be counted in a presidential election decided by the House, Trump would almost certainly win.



To clarify for readers: The Constitution allows that if neither candidate receives 270 votes in the Electoral College, the election is decided by the House. But in that scenario, it’s a unique process: Each state’s congressional delegation gets to cast a single vote. So while Democrats controlled more House seats, Republicans controlled more state delegations, and Trump would have likely emerged the victor?

That was the essence of the plan. It’s a well thought-out plan based on sound, constitutional law and existing legislative precedent. And all it required was peace and calm on Capitol Hill for it to unfold. And then you have two things that went awry: Pence’s betrayal, and, of course, the violence that erupted on Capitol Hill, which provided Pence, McConnell, McCarthy, Pelosi, and Schumer an excuse to abort the Green Bay Sweep, effectively, and certify the election.



Were GOP leaders McConnell and McCarthy read in on this Green Bay Sweep plan?

I don’t know. I primarily — almost exclusively — just worked with Steve Bannon. He was the strategist involved. He was the guy who was coordinating the whipping of the votes, right? There were over 100 congressmen — both the House of Representatives and senators — that were lined up to execute that plan.

It started flawlessly when [Arizona Rep. Paul] Gosar and [Texas Sen.] Cruz promptly at 1 p.m. called on scrutiny of the Arizona vote. Arizona was one of six battlegrounds: They were Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Nevada. And it started flawlessly, but the violence overtook that event. The rest, as they, say is history.


Who were the leaders of this plan on the Hill? Cruz and Gosar?

I wasn’t really involved in that. Again, that was Steve’s job. My whole thing — all the way through Jan. 6 — I continued to work on my research, and that was that was a time-consuming process. … My role in the whole thing was basically to provide Congress, via my reports, the analytical material they needed to actually make the challenges. And the president himself had distributed Volume One of the report to every member of the House and Senate a week or so earlier.


What were your communications with President Trump about this effort?

The only conversation I had with him was about the reports themselves. There was a couple of times I walked over to the Oval — both times after I finished a report — and personally handed him one and briefed him on it. In the first case, in front of me, he asked Molly Michael, his assistant, to make sure everybody on the Hill promptly got a copy of it.


You mention in your book that Trump wanted you to talk to Pence, that this was a directive from Trump, that Pence should speak to you.

When I was in the Oval briefing the president on the results, I expressed frustration with the fact that Mike wouldn’t return my calls. And that it would be useful, as we were moving to Jan 6, if that problem could be fixed. He said, yeah, he’d have Mike call me. Which Mike, in fact, did. The only problem was he hung up before he even spoke to me.

To be clear, prior to Jan. 6, I had great love and respect for Vice President Pence. The problem, as I describe it in the book, was he effectively got captured by his own staff. Marc Short and his general counsel, Greg Jacob, who I had had previous run-ins with during the pandemic. Short and Jacob were just bad people. Just bad people. Had no business being in the in the White House. They weren’t Trump people. They were just bad people. They hurt the president in a lot of different ways, not the least of which is how they handled this particular issue we’re talking about.



Bannon, obviously, has been subpoenaed by the Jan. 6 committee. Have you spoken to them or are they seeking information from you?

I have gotten no communication whatsoever from them. It’s my view that they simply do not want to hear anything I have to say, because it is so contrary to their narrative. Their narrative rests on the premise that President Trump wanted to instigate violence to overthrow the election. My premise — which is fact — is that President Trump wanted only peace and calm so that we could meticulously implement the Green Bay Packers Sweep play, and thereby remand the votes to the back to the states, and in all likelihood, then move the election into the House of Representatives, because of the substantial fraud that was visible.


Let me stop you there. You’ve told me that President Trump wasn’t really read in on this plan, and yet you say he backed it?

You asked me whether I spoke to him about it. And I said, accurately, no, it wasn’t me who briefed him on this. OK.


Are you saying that Bannon briefed him on it?

You’ll have to track that down. I’m not going to speak for Steve or anybody else.



Let me simplify the question: Was President Trump read in on the Green Bay Packers Sweep plan?

I don’t know that for a fact.

You asked me whether he was read in on the Green Bay Packers Sweep plan, OK? He understood what was supposed to happen that day. All you need to do is listen to this speech from the Ellipse that morning. You know, “If Mike does the right thing” — you just have to listen to what he said.

My clear understanding, but not from speaking to him directly, is that he [Trump] understood what the strategy was. The strategy was to challenge the votes with the 100 plus-group of congressmen that day, send them back to the states and let the chips fall where they may. But it wasn’t me who sat down and said, “Hey, boss, we can run the Green Bay Packers Sweep, we do X, Y and Z.” That wasn’t my role.


And you’re not able to tell me who did that?

I actually don’t know, factually.



But again: How you know that this thing happened, but you don’t know who did it?

I know that there were over 100 congressmen ready to implement the plan. I know that. I know what the plan was, right? It all hinged on getting the plan done at the state level. I know that the president met with people like [John] Eastman, and that there was a legal opinion explaining exactly what Pence can do. I know that that’s the reason why I wanted to talk to Mike — to assure him that there was substantial evidence of fraud and that he should exercise his duty, as president of the Senate, to send these things back to the states for 10 days.

Knowing all that, I think it’s fair to say that the president clearly understood the strategy. I don’t know if he called it “the Green Bay Sweep.” I doubt that. That was me and Steve’s description of it. You know: call a play; run the play. Based on what I know, the president understood what was going to happen that day. It required peace and calm. It was well within constitutional law, and we were basically exercising the constitutional right and democratic freedoms to challenge what we believed was a stolen election.

Everything that was done was done honorably and with good intentions. We were fighting what I believe was an attempt at a coup d’etat. We weren’t the ones trying to steal the election or engineer a coup. It was clearly the Democrats… . These folks bragged about stealing the election. They didn’t use the word “steal” — they did say they had to do it in order to “save the republic,” which I think is as close to an admission of guilt as you can get.



Bannon has been charged with criminal contempt of Congress. There are people who would call what you were plotting very much akin to a coup. Are you concerned about your own legal liability in this case?

You think people would call what I did akin to a coup?


I know you don’t see it that way, but I assure you there are people in America who see the activity that was taking place and think it was trying to overturn the duly determined democratic outcome of a national presidential election.

Yeah, I see. I see that point. But also remember a lot of the people who might hold that point of view were being fed the steady stream of MSNBC and CNN and New York Times and Washington Post lies that the election was fair and absent of any fraud or election irregularities, and that it was all sour grapes. But you know, I went through four years listening to that noise, rather than signal, from the corporate media. And if I had a dime for every time they reported something which I knew on its face to be untrue. I know you have enough money to comfortably retire.



There have been audits in Arizona. There have been court challenges everywhere. There have been studies of whether there were deceased voters in Georgia. None of it has revealed anything that would change the outcome of this election. So as you sit here now, do you feel like your analysis was square?

Yeah, I do.


You haven’t learned any new information since this election took place that has left you chagrined or regretful of the analysis that you created?

To the contrary. Let’s say that there’s two possible states of reality here. One is that history will show that it was a free and fair election, or as with Nixon v. Kennedy history will show that, yeah, it was stolen.


Living in two different realities — that’s an apt description of where we find ourselves in America. Do you think the American people will find agreement about the 2020 election or what happened on Jan 6?

I want to get to the bottom of what happened on Jan 6, just as much as anybody. I want to get to the bottom of it in a nonpartisan way. Kevin McCarthy is an idiot. I mean, he’s like a checkers player in the chess world. The fact that there are no legitimate Republicans on that committee, it turned it into a star chamber rather than a proper investigatory body.

I’d love to know how that violence erupted. I’m telling you I was one of the most crestfallen people on the planet at the end, when that happened, because I knew immediately: This won’t end way the we wanted it to.

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Of course, the trick with the current rash of laws flowing through Republican state legislatures is that it saves them the need to carry out a spectacularly ugly and damaging coup on the day (which would probably unleash a tidal wave of unrest), because they'll have already carried out a stealth coup over the preceding four years. The advantage being it might have just about enough credibility to prevent an uproar. After all, possession is as they say nine tenths of the law: you want to rig the system to be going in with the votes in hand, not trying to rig the system to overturn them.

I'd like to be optimistic about US democracy, but it's a struggle. A majority of the Republican Party seems to have made it clear that they question the legitimacy of an election they do not win, even though they've polled fewer votes nationally in every presential election in the last 30 years bar one.
 

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When Jan 6th initially happened, though most of us keeping a keen eye on the rhetoric and behaviour of qanon/Trumper influencers and accounts the previous 3 or so years were expecting something bad to go down, there was still the benefit of the doubt that the whole event was just a predictable overflow of misinformed anger, and I was ok cutting some slack in that area for most the applicable GOP members just in case they really didn't see any of it coming. But now, oh now it's growing ever so clearer how seriously vast their communications and planning/seeding of the day was, and how calculating these main players are. No more benefit of the doubt, absolute fucking shitheels these kunts are honest to God dangerous cunts.

Donald Trump's team wanted the QAnon influencer Ron Watkins to help push baseless voter-fraud claims, according to a strategy playbook submitted to the January 6 select committee last week.

The 22-page communications playbook, first published by Politico, suggested using Watkins and 23 other conservative influencers to try to overturn the election. Titled the "Strategic Communications Plan," it was authored by a group of unnamed people under the moniker the "Giuliani Presidential Legal Defense Team."

The document outlines the group's communications strategy for a 10-day media blitz from December 27, 2020, to January 6, 2021. It was part of a trove of materials submitted to the January 6 select committee by Timothy Parlatore, an attorney representing Bernard Kerik.

The comms playbook listed 24 "big," "medium," "small," and "micro" conservative influencers. The big names included Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk.


Watkins, who is widely rumored to have seeded the QAnon conspiracy theory, was listed as a medium influencer.

QAnon is a baseless far-right conspiracy theory that claimed Trump, while president, was secretly fighting a "deep state" cabal of satanic pedophiles and cannibals. During his presidency the movement promoted the idea that "Q," the shadowy figure at its center, had top-level access to confidential information, much of it painting a positive picture of Trump.

The movement helped perpetuate voter-fraud claims regarding the 2020 presidential election. Numerous participants in the January 6 Capitol riot said their actions were inspired and influenced by their belief in Q.

Watkins is running for Congress in Arizona as a Republican. He's still active in the right-wing media sphere and now disseminates fringe right-wing messages on vaccines and voter fraud to more than 400,000 subscribers via his Telegram channel.


According to the document, the goal of the Trump team's communications blitz was to execute a "nationwide communications outreach campaign to educate the public on the fraud numbers, and inspire citizens to call upon legislators and Members of Congress to disregard the fraudulent vote count and certify the duly-elected President Trump."

Apart from getting Watkins and other right-wing influencers on board to help spread the Trump camp's messaging, the communications plan also encouraged the former president to use TikTok to produce "viral" content.

The media blitz, which was to involve these influencers and members of the House Freedom Caucus, was designed to exert pressure on Republican senators in swing states like Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin to help overturn the 2020 election in favor of Trump.

Kerik is an associate of the Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani who previously served as the New York City police commissioner. The January 6 panel subpoenaed him in November to provide information on his role helping Giuliani try to find evidence of voter fraud after the 2020 presidential election, per CNN. No evidence has been found of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election, and Trump's allegations of voter fraud have consistently been debunked.
And the pipe bomb planter the night before still hasn't been identified!


There's a lot of interesting unnerving info coming out in a short space of time right now, and am kinda getting increasingly uncomfortable seeing my username so much here already, so am gonna give it a rest for a while.
 

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Hell has truly frozen over: Trump has chosen to shut the fuck up.


Maybe he realized there really is no way he can possibly improve things. (Not that being unable to improve things has stopped him before.)
 
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Hell has truly frozen over: Trump has chosen to shut the fuck up.


Maybe he realized there really is no way he can possibly improve things. (Not that being unable to improve things has stopped him before.)
He has been bleeding followers since he started telling people to vaccinate during his recent public speeches (one of the few instances where seeing Trump being booed makes me sad). Ironically, if he had recommended people to wear masks back then, and more people had been wearing masks that day, there would had been fewer easily identified individuals.