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tstorm823

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It wouldn't stop me believing that the Persians invaded Greece, though - and that basic essence is the most important thing.
But what makes you start believing that? If every source providing you a piece of information is obviously lying about it, at least in part, at what point would you ever believe the thing to be true?
 

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But what makes you start believing that? If every source providing you a piece of information is obviously lying about it, at least in part, at what point would you ever believe the thing to be true?
Because I read lots of things, and I undertand that people are fallible. Thus when encountering someone telling of an event, it should be viewed and filtered with an acceptance of potential error. Sort of like marking an exam essay - sifting through a mishmash of right and wrong elements to determine where knowledge and understanding lie - and giving credit to what is right.

This started by you picking up on a lone individual - details of what he said were wrong, but the gist was right: Trump had a habit of inappropriately blabbing intelligence. I'd expect more precision from a journalist or historian, albeit even there accepting likelihood of some error.

There comes a point where pedantry and overfixation on error causes more problems - by diminishing or effectively denying underlying truth despite error. This is evident in your initial reply, which functions equally well as an implicit denial that Trump ever let intelligence slip - and yet he totally did. The other aspect of course is the scorched earth campaign on information itself, by wrecking everyone's confidence in everything so that no-one believes anything. That's how we got to so many internet kooks being afforded the same credibility as CNN and WaPo, because overfocusing on the latters' errors fooled so many people into overlooking how much they get right and how much better their overall reliability is.
 

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This is evident in your initial reply, which functions equally well as an implicit denial that Trump ever let intelligence slip.
Reread post #10, walk back this statement, and then I'll consider reading further.
 

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Bragg was sworn into office on January 1, 2022.[13] On January 4, he announced that his office would no longer prosecute low-level offenses such as fare evasion, resisting arrest, prostitution, and cannabis-related misdemeanors unless accompanied by a felony charge. He also announced that his office would seek lesser charges for burglaries and store robberies where the offender "displays a dangerous instrument but does not create a genuine risk of physical harm".[14] On January 20, Bragg disputed what he described was a "legalistic" interpretation of his prosecution policy memo and indicated that he supported a zero tolerance policy for violent crimes


Clown-faced moron.

Edit: So I guess unless you can murder someone, commit a white-collar crime, resist arrest, and even rob someone. Democratic cities are run by in-competent do-nothings.
 

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Bragg was sworn into office on January 1, 2022.[13] On January 4, he announced that his office would no longer prosecute low-level offenses such as fare evasion, resisting arrest, prostitution, and cannabis-related misdemeanors unless accompanied by a felony charge. He also announced that his office would seek lesser charges for burglaries and store robberies where the offender "displays a dangerous instrument but does not create a genuine risk of physical harm".[14] On January 20, Bragg disputed what he described was a "legalistic" interpretation of his prosecution policy memo and indicated that he supported a zero tolerance policy for violent crimes


Clown-faced moron.

Edit: So I guess unless you can murder someone, commit a white-collar crime, resist arrest, and even rob someone. Democratic cities are run by in-competent do-nothings.
...I don't think they were gonna get Trump on fare evasion and shoplifting. Also, dude said he had a zero tolerance policy for violent crime, so dunno where the "oh, so you can do a murder, huh" came from

Appearing to slow-walk the case is a problem though
 

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...I don't think they were gonna get Trump on fare evasion and shoplifting. Also, dude said he had a zero tolerance policy for violent crime, so dunno where the "oh, so you can do a murder, huh" came from

Appearing to slow-walk the case is a problem though
My bad I meant you can't murder someone, but can do almost anything else.

Edit: It was a grammar error.
 

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My bad I meant you can't murder someone, but can do almost anything else.

Edit: It was a grammar error.
I mean, weed and consensual sex work *shouldn't* be illegal, fighting fare evasion costs more than the fare evasion does so that's a net loss, and it's not uncommon in other countries that resisting arrest isn't a crime by itself because *of course* you would try and resist it, *and* he's only applying those to misdemeanors anyway
 

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I mean, weed and consensual sex work *shouldn't* be illegal, fighting fare evasion costs more than the fare evasion does so that's a net loss, and it's not uncommon in other countries that resisting arrest isn't a crime by itself because *of course* you would try and resist it, *and* he's only applying those to misdemeanors anyway
What about the robberies, I haven't seen many people stealing bread, and beans, I have seen people stealing whole TVs and electronics from stores across the country in liberal cities. Why aren't we tough on that?
 

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What about the robberies, I haven't seen many people stealing bread, and beans, I have seen people stealing whole TVs and electronics from stores across the country in liberal cities. Why aren't we tough on that?
Robbery under most criminal codes requires violence; it does here. If you simply go into a place and steal something and leg it, that's generally theft which is prosecuted lower basically because there's no violence. See also, the difference between robbing a house a burgling it.

Also I think there's a threshold you have to beat in terms of what you steal and then I think they up the charge to like, Grand Larceny or something but the threshold is like, $100,000 or something and even the most determined looter doesn't get away with that unless they're the Flash OR they hit a storage area where they can grab boxes of stuff.
 
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What about the robberies, I haven't seen many people stealing bread, and beans, I have seen people stealing whole TVs and electronics from stores across the country in liberal cities. Why aren't we tough on that?
A) it's just stuff, long as nobody gets hurt
B) ...we are? Long as it's a felony
 

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fighting fare evasion costs more than the fare evasion does so that's a net loss
fares for public transportation really make no sense in the first place. this is the less problematic (environmentally and with respect to traffic) alternative to cars you WANT people to be using, why would you make people pay? just absolute nonsense.

What about the robberies, I haven't seen many people stealing bread, and beans, I have seen people stealing whole TVs and electronics from stores across the country in liberal cities. Why aren't we tough on that?
why so concerned over subsidizing Wal-Mart's huge profits with free security?
 

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fares for public transportation really make no sense in the first place. this is the less problematic (environmentally and with respect to traffic) alternative to cars you WANT people to be using, why would you make people pay? just absolute nonsense.
Basically, yeah. Town I'm in abolished bus fares years ago and it's been great for everybody. We're even finding the money to expand the bus lines and replace aged-out busses with electrics
 
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