SCOTUS leak suggests Roe v. Wade to be overturned

[Agema]

Supreme court voted to overturn Roe v Wade abortion law, leaked draft opinion reportedly shows

In an unprecedented revelation, a document written by Justice Samuel Alito says ‘Roe was egregiously wrong from the start’

www.theguardian.com

This a provisional draft, the veracity of this has yet to be fully established. But it looks extremely credible.

Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch, Barret and Kavanaugh majority.

 

[Kwak]

Just a coincidence.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Coming as no surprise to anyone, regardless of what they claimed would happen when the SCotUS was stacked by anti-choicers.

 

[Gordon_4]

So, Jan Six 2: Electric Boogaloo?

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

Fuck sake. What to even say? We told you so? As if that ever helps. The only positive heard so far is it likely will be a strong motivator for ppl to get out to the polls in election season, only maybe. A nationwide protest, perhaps general strike (though understandably not an option with the current economic trap for a lot of people) to make sure it's clear how despicable the majority of reasonable citizens find this?

 

[tstorm823]

I did not expect this, I still don't entirely expect this, it still feels more likely Roberts gets his way and they allow the Mississippi law by fudging the meaning of "viability". That being said, there are even stricter laws passing in other states, so maybe they're taking the "we're gonna have to do this at some point, may as well be now" tactic.

But also, Roe was egregiously wrong from the start.

A nationwide protest, perhaps general strike (though understandably not an option with the current economic trap for a lot of people) to make sure it's clear how despicable the majority of reasonable citizens find this?

The problem with your theory is that you're suggesting the people in blue states cause havoc to protest laws that won't ever effect them. The people of Mississippi do not find this despicable.

 

[Agema]

I did not expect this

I did. The Republicans stacked SCOTUS with certain ideological judges for a reason, and their evasiveness at their Congressional appointment hearings spoke loudly.

The people of Mississippi do not find this despicable.

Desire to overturn Roe v Wade in nationwide polls is about 20-30%. It is thus very possible not even the people of Mississippi want it overturned.

The governing party of Mississippi, however, makes the laws and potentially has no interest whatsoever in the majority wishes of their population. After all, the average GOP state party isn't even interested in arranging electoral districts and voting rights to ensure their population is fairly represented.

 

[tippy2k2]

Just a coincidence.

Those barriers went up a week ago after a climate change scientist lit himself on fire to protest climate change.

If this is the first you're hearing of this event, don't feel bad, you're not alone. I feel like I do a relatively good job of paying attention to the news and events and I found out about it when some random on Twitter complained that this happened and no one had any idea about it...

Although it does work out nicely for them as I imagine there's gonna be a few people who would like to have a friendly chat with the court soon enough.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

I'm surprised it took so long because it's rather badly argued law. Ruth Bader Ginsburg didn't like Roe v Wade and she was very pro-abortion.

Desire to overturn Roe v Wade in nationwide polls is about 20-30%. It is thus very possible not even the people of Mississippi want it overturned.

The governing party of Mississippi, however, makes the laws and potentially has no interest whatsoever in the majority wishes of their population. After all, the average GOP state party isn't even interested in arranging electoral districts and voting rights to ensure their population is fairly represented.

Welcome to America. The Democrats do the same fucking thing.

 

[Casual Shinji]

The only positive heard so far is it likely will be a strong motivator for ppl to get out to the polls in election season, only maybe.

All of this happened under a democratic president though. So really, what would voting democrate really achieve?

A nationwide protest, perhaps general strike (though understandably not an option with the current economic trap for a lot of people) to make sure it's clear how despicable the majority of reasonable citizens find this?

This seems like the only option that could get some results; people taking to the streets.

Anyway, I figured we'd have a few more years before this reality would come along, but it appears even in my negative outlook on America I was still too positive.

 

[CriticalGaming]

They want to control you. That's all it is. The power to control the people as much as possible while still claiming "Freedom".

 

[Agema]

Those barriers went up a week ago after a climate change scientist lit himself on fire to protest climate change.

Surely he could have thought of a more environmentally sensitive self-destruction?

 

[Worgen]

We have a very heavily conservative stacked supreme court, no surprise there. If you wanted abortion to be legal you would never allow republicans in power. This isn't even just about abortion, we are starting to see a lot of state push back against gays through the fear of trans and such. If the republicans take back congress, which seems kinda likely, I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing gay marriage be targeted again. Its the joy of getting to fight old battles over again, welcome to a conservative stacked court.

 

[Agema]

We have a very heavily conservative stacked supreme court, no surprise there. If you wanted abortion to be legal you would never allow republicans in power. This isn't even just about abortion, we are starting to see a lot of state push back against gays through the fear of trans and such. If the republicans take back congress, which seems kinda likely, I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing gay marriage be targeted again. Its the joy of getting to fight old battles over again, welcome to a conservative stacked court.

I think it's interesting that red states are also looking as passing laws that would also make it illegal for their state's citizens to leave the state to seek abortion as well.

That, I suspect, will be an overreach. In other words, abortion will basically be a privilege for more affluent people. Very much the way that the GOP likes things.

 

[Worgen]

I think it's interesting that red states are also looking as passing laws that would also make it illegal for their state's citizens to leave the state to seek abortion as well.

That, I suspect, will be an overreach. In other words, abortion will basically be a privilege for more affluent people. Very much the way that the GOP likes things.

Its pretty expected. The main and only real thing that republicans stand for at this point is getting rid of abortion by any means necessary as long as those means don't conflict with abstinence only education.

 

[Silvanus]

The problem with your theory is that you're suggesting the people in blue states cause havoc to protest laws that won't ever effect them. The people of Mississippi do not find this despicable.

If only there were a way to arrange it so that only those who wanted them got them, and those who didn't want them didn't get them.

Oh wait, that's literally what legalisation does.

 

[Jarrito3002]

Well we are fuckity fucked in a hand bag. This feels like some long hollow victory in a culture war that is going to hurt way more than its going to supposedly save.

And lets be real if this was the case none of this discussion and discourse would be happening.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Well we are fuckity fucked in a hand bag. This feels like some long hollow victory in a culture war that is going to hurt way more than its going to supposedly save.

And lets be real if this was the case none of this discussion and discourse would be happening.

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I really don't understand the idea that an abortion is just a woman's decision about her body. When that isn't really the case entirely. The whole idea of "my body, my choice" kind of falls flat when if you didn't want a baby why didn't you get one of the 11 different types of birth control?

Abortions should be given to people willy nilly, like get 9 abortions and your 10th is free. That's hideous.

There are plenty of legit reasons why abortions should be allowed with some stipulations.

1. Rape (obviously)
2. Medical conditions that threaten the mother and/or child
3. Incest
etc.

But i don't think Abortions should just be like taking a Plan B pill. Especially since there is a plan B pill.

Think about all the things that have to happen for a pregnancy to occur. Unprotected sex at the right time of the cycle. Then literally weeks of fertilization. If someone doesn't want a baby and knows this, then there is a lot of time to do something about it, well before a pregnancy would even be finalized.

I don't think it's unreasonable for some sort of regulations to apply to abortion, I do think people should be allowed to get them within fair requirements though.

 

[thebobmaster]

Do you know anyone who's had 9 abortions? I don't. Have you heard of birth control methods failing? I have. And that's assuming people are even properly educated about birth control, which is hardly a safe assumption. It's really easy from the outside to just say "If you get pregnant outside of rape, it's your problem" (although that's being generous and assuming they aren't being a Todd Akin), but keep in mind, a lot of the states that want to ban abortion happen to be the same states that want to make it harder to get welfare. And they also tend to be the states with the worst sexual education.

ETA: Forgot to mention: The Supreme Court is opening an investigation into the leak, which means the leak is legitimate.

Supreme Court opens investigation into Politico leak

The draft does not represent the court's final decision, per the statement from Chief Justice Roberts.

www.axios.com

 

[Phoenixmgs]

So no discussion on why it's a bad law so if it gets overturned, that's probably why vs it's just some republican appointed judges that are biased. We just have a bunch of whining about "evil" republicans again...

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We have a very heavily conservative stacked supreme court, no surprise there. If you wanted abortion to be legal you would never allow republicans in power. This isn't even just about abortion, we are starting to see a lot of state push back against gays through the fear of trans and such. If the republicans take back congress, which seems kinda likely, I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing gay marriage be targeted again. Its the joy of getting to fight old battles over again, welcome to a conservative stacked court.

Yet republican states have more opportunity for those minority groups than democratic states. What actually makes you believe gay marriage would be targeted? Gay marriage law is so much stronger constitutionally than Roe v Wade, there's like no way it gets overturned even if the SCOTUS was entirely republican appointed.