The All New Adventures of His Majesty's Government

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I could easily google this, but where does "Tories" come from?
According to Wikipedia:

As a political term, Tory was an insult (derived from the Middle Irish word tóraidhe, modern Irish tóraí, meaning "outlaw", "robber", from the Irish word tóir, meaning "pursuit" since outlaws were "pursued men")[9][10] that entered English politics during the Exclusion Bill crisis of 1678–1681. Whig (from whiggamore, a "cattle driver") was initially a Scottish insult for the Covenanter faction in Scotland who opposed the Engagers (a faction who supported Charles I during the Second English Civil War) and supported the Whiggamore Raid that took place in September 1648.[11] While the Whigs were those who supported the exclusion of James, the Duke of York from the succession to thrones of Scotland and England and Ireland (the Petitioners), the Tories were those who opposed the Exclusion Bill (the Abhorrers).
 
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What a convoluted etymology. How classically British.
To add to this, up to the mid 19th century the main parties were the broadly classical liberal Whigs, and the traditionalist conservative Tories. In the 1820s the Tory wing of parliament was dominated by the Pittites, followers of William Pitt the Younger who considered themselves "Independent Whigs" but aligned a lot more closely to the Tories. When this group collapsed over disputes about several issues, Robert Peel set about forming a new faction based on his Tamworth Manifesto, which was called the Conservatives. In the 1850s the free trade supporting Peelite wing of the Conservatives and the protectionist wing split up, with the protectionists being the foundation of the modern Conservatives, and the Peelites joining the Whigs to create the Liberal party. As they were, roughly speaking, the successors of the old Toryism, the Conservatives continued to be referred to as Tories.
 

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So does the House of Lords play into this, or does it?

I'm kinda confused what the House of Lords really does, because I know they're not elected and they're not just the British version of the US Senate despite being the upper house. Sorry if that sounds dumb. AFAIK it's pretty unique to the UK.
The House of Lords is a very old and wonky institution that formerly represented the aristocracy, as opposed to the Commons which represented everyone else. Over time, the Commons gained supremacy over the Lords, to the point where their powers have been stripped down to being able to scrutinise and draft amendments to legislation which must then be sent back to the Commons. All members are ostensibly appointed by the monarch in some way, and now contains a mixture of political appointees, people appointed for their services to the country, and a small number of hereditary peers.
 

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Huh. That's the opposite of how American conservatives work- demand austerity, cut taxes, then blow scads of money and borrow heavily to cover it.
We had austerity under David Cameron and Theresa May, then Boris came in who was a lot more populist but had to allow some tax rises. Now we've got Truss who the Tories elected on a platform of tax cuts, which have now all been reversed by the new chancellor.

This whole mess can somewhat be traced back to 2015, when David Cameron made a Faustian bargain that allowed him to win the 2015 general election in exchange for a referendum on our membership of the European Union. He assumed he'd easily win that, but lost, so he resigned and was replaced by Theresa May, who proved totally incapable of uniting the Europhile and Eurosceptic wings of her party, so she called a general election to try to improve her legitimacy. She lost her majority in that election, and got no further forward, so was then replaced by Boris Johnson, who called another election and won a huge majority, kind of botched the whole COVID thing, and then turned out to have broken his own COVID regulations and also appointed a sex pest to a senior position. This prompted mass resignations from his government, so he resigned in favour of Liz Truss, who has lost control of the narrative pretty much instantly as she's arrived amidst global economic malaise and a serious inflation crisis at home, which she has only managed to make worse in the short time she's been in power. She's also an unfathomably terrible public speaker, which is actually a serious hazard because the financial markets really are all about confidence, and nobody inspires less confidence than her.
 

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I seriously wonder what possessed the Torries to vote for Truss over Sunak. He'd be a bad prime minister too but he'd probably at least be a functioning one. And even if Truss didn't seem so incompetent then she still chained herself to the thoroughly discredited policy of Thatcherism.
 

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I seriously wonder what possessed the Torries to vote for Truss over Sunak. He'd be a bad prime minister too but he'd probably at least be a functioning one. And even if Truss didn't seem so incompetent then she still chained herself to the thoroughly discredited policy of Thatcherism.
The Tory membership is very overwhelmingly wealthy old white men, who'd stand to personally benefit from Truss's tax cuts. Sunak was the favoured candidate of the MPs, who are rather more diverse, but his (relatively) more moderate platform didn't play so well with the members. (Probably didn't help that he's not white)
 

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Really? Yikes. As an American, I can't visualize the kind of chaos and uncertainty that kind of thing could have caused, unless those PMs were basically carbon copies of each other. We don't see nearly that kind of turnover in our politics, even if sometimes we might want to.
I'll note that the US congress is designed not to work. It is really hard to push bills through. This is not the case for Westminster system

The US pushes all the power away from Congress and onto the presidency (and Supreme Court). In the UK, the Prime Minister does not need to do Executive Orders etc to get anything done. If they want something done, they do it through parliament, not Executive Branch.
 

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I seriously wonder what possessed the Torries to vote for Truss over Sunak. He'd be a bad prime minister too but he'd probably at least be a functioning one. And even if Truss didn't seem so incompetent then she still chained herself to the thoroughly discredited policy of Thatcherism.
Easy. Sunak said that recovery would be difficult in the short term and they couldn't lower taxes much. Truss said everything would be fine, no need for economic difficulty, they could lower them straight away (for the rich and corporations primarily, of course). Tory members sided categorically with blue-sky economic illiteracy.
 
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Jeremy Hunt is trying very hard, but not very convincingly, to pretend that he is not now actually in charge of the government.
 

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The Prime Minister's sitting in the house of commons looking basically catatonic while her ministers do all the speaking.
 

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They really should reform how they pick leader before getting rid of her. The people who voted Truss in are probably really confused why she's unpopular and if they have another internal election, they'll probably just pick a carbon copy of her.
 

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They've got to be doing that on purpose.

They really should reform how they pick leader before getting rid of her. The people who voted Truss in are probably really confused why she's unpopular and if they have another internal election, they'll probably just pick a carbon copy of her.
"What, are you saying that the common masses don't want to simply give all the money to the rich so that they can redistribute it to the deserving, like me? Piffle."
 

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One-party-dominated systems are wrong no matter the party. Would it kill the British to pick labor or the Lib Dems once?