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Yeah, games would be better if each game only pandered to one specific person and no one else was allowed to play it.
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Dude, they added a "Beginner" mode, renamed "Normal" to "Easy," renamed "Normal" to "Challenge," and after completing "Challenge", you unlock the added "Hardcore" mode. They ADDED two modes; the original shit is still there untouched, and this "ruined" it according to some. Jesus H...
As a long time advocate of soulslikes, I feel the whole debate over whether an easy mode should be added all began Sekiro.
More specifically, over the parry mechanic. Because I swear, nobody complainedtoo much about any of the Fromsoftware games in terms of difficulty, At least, not enough to call to add an easy mode. It was usually about asking for help on a difficult boss, poorly designed areas (DS2's Shrine of Armana), or a beginner's trap enemies in the early game (DS1's black knight in Undead Burg)
These can be overcome with relative ease. But the parry mechanic is different.
In the past FS games, rolling out or simply guarding was practically the solution to everything. No need to worry about tight window, as long as you dodge at the right time, you were good.
But the parry mechanic? Not only is the window tight, but now you have to adjust yourself to different timing, because every enemies has different attack patterns, and now you have to match them. I struggled as well, and for some bosses I said fuck it and used cheats.
And I think that's the issue here, because some people have terrible reflexes, and no matter how often they get the practice for it. Some enemies do a bit too much damage before the player can figure out the right timing.
This is why I am not the biggest fan of soulslikes that asks you to utilize both parry and dodging. It is tricky to implement both. Because dodging a parriable attack while might be safe doesn't break the stamina fast enough. But trying to learn the parry window while risking taking damage is also a pain as you have to come back all over again.
I think this is why Doom: The Dark Ages's customizable parry window is such an obvious but revolutionary feature for me; you can leave everything else as it is, but have option to give more time to react seems like an great idea.
My point is, as long as the main difficulty is available from the start, it really doesn't matter if easy mode exists or not. Maybe make the harder difficulty a bit more rewarding other than the sense of standing ovation
More specifically, over the parry mechanic. Because I swear, nobody complainedtoo much about any of the Fromsoftware games in terms of difficulty, At least, not enough to call to add an easy mode. It was usually about asking for help on a difficult boss, poorly designed areas (DS2's Shrine of Armana), or a beginner's trap enemies in the early game (DS1's black knight in Undead Burg)
These can be overcome with relative ease. But the parry mechanic is different.
In the past FS games, rolling out or simply guarding was practically the solution to everything. No need to worry about tight window, as long as you dodge at the right time, you were good.
But the parry mechanic? Not only is the window tight, but now you have to adjust yourself to different timing, because every enemies has different attack patterns, and now you have to match them. I struggled as well, and for some bosses I said fuck it and used cheats.
And I think that's the issue here, because some people have terrible reflexes, and no matter how often they get the practice for it. Some enemies do a bit too much damage before the player can figure out the right timing.
This is why I am not the biggest fan of soulslikes that asks you to utilize both parry and dodging. It is tricky to implement both. Because dodging a parriable attack while might be safe doesn't break the stamina fast enough. But trying to learn the parry window while risking taking damage is also a pain as you have to come back all over again.
I think this is why Doom: The Dark Ages's customizable parry window is such an obvious but revolutionary feature for me; you can leave everything else as it is, but have option to give more time to react seems like an great idea.
My point is, as long as the main difficulty is available from the start, it really doesn't matter if easy mode exists or not. Maybe make the harder difficulty a bit more rewarding other than the sense of standing ovation
You are remembering wrong. I distinctly remember "git gud" becoming a meme LONG before Sekiro came along.
there's another word for that. well, a few other words for that. but let's go with "corporatisation" for years I been saying variations of the same phrase "it will destroy everything you ever love" and nobody listened - though at least other people listened to other people I suppose, but still nowhere near enough
oh wait is this just about difficulty options? lmao that'l learn me for assuming it was about something meaningful
oh wait is this just about difficulty options? lmao that'l learn me for assuming it was about something meaningful
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Well, he might not be considering the 30 page thread I also remember is from 2019. There was definitely some argument before that, but that was a pretty big one too.
And to quote myself from that thread.
I still stand by this.
Blades of Fire does the customizable parry window too, it's one of the stats that the mats you use when you craft a weapon affects. It's kinda like switching to the buckler and dagger when you wanna parry something in souls, but parrying in BoF is a lot harder to time and gives you temporarily infinite stamina once you do get it off so it's super rewarding.
You should complain to the guy who puts a gun to your head and forces you to play the easier difficulty levels against your will.
Are they removing the difficulty level that was present when the game was bought? If not, then how is it a bait-and-switch?
What if they make the difficulty you were playing on harder/easier halfway through your playthrough via a patch?
Let me know when that actually happens and maybe then I'll think of a response.
Well then that would be bad, if you couldn't just switch it back to the difficulty you'd been playing on before.
Is that's what's happening?
Patches do this all the time; patch notes tell you what's been nerfed, buffed, generally changed, etc., typically to a nominal extent, but there's always those who voice their discontent with "they nerfed [insert previously overpowered item]!!", and people get over it. I recall more recently the ire when people beat base-game Radahn before a patch that tuned him down; we got over it, but those who beat him pre-patch got to puff out their chest so we all could revel in their glory
. A complete retuning of a difficulty that's so drastic as to fundamentally change the game (as you're suggesting, I'm assuming) is, as far as I'm aware, basically unheard of.Short answer? No. Long answer? No, it's not.
If they find it too hard and don't wanna play anymore, then I don't think they are having fun.
What Xprimentyl said essentially, the same difficulty is still in the game. Though I don't see where it said in the article most of that (besides releasing new difficulty modes with the DLC). Sounds like they mistakenly made the game too hard, a programmer may have literally fat-fingered a number. Are they not allowed to fix something they never intended?
Was it wrong for From Software to rebalance weapon damage in Dark Souls 1? Shouldn't they have fixed the stats so resistance isn't a stat to ignore? It seems weird to get mad a devs for fixing things they want to fix.
Souls took "git gud" from the Metal Gear community... You're supposed say "git gud n3" but Souls players have no idea what n3 stands for.
Games do that all the time. Dark Souls 1 literally did that.
Literally happened last week in Expedition 33 which adjusted the difficulty of the parry timings. It's happening now in Kahzan in the first post I made in this thread. It happened several times in Elden Ring when items were nerfed or outright changed, which literally bricked people's builds mid playthrough.
That's because Sekiro itself is just a straight up action game, that happens to have the "Dark Souls 3rd Person Camera".
Those I don't mind, because you can find plenty of those in most regular action games without the dumb stamina meter.
Welp, time for them to "git gud", and find another build. I know you're referring to this.
I know it can be a pain some of the time with balance patches, but it didn't take long for people to find another cheese or overpowered build, so it's not the end of the world. Not that it was to begin with.
Blegh. The course of this thread shows exactly what difficulty modes do to games, and why Miyazaki has avoided them. Fragmentation of the user base and no one can agree on anything!
Demon’s Souls wouldn’t have had the same impact if people could just select Easy instead of sharing tips online, using the game’s own internal hints system, summons, etc. This has held true through their latest games.
www.pcgamer.com
Oh look, a useful AI response to a query on Miyazaki’s reasoning for a lack of difficulty modes -
Demon’s Souls wouldn’t have had the same impact if people could just select Easy instead of sharing tips online, using the game’s own internal hints system, summons, etc. This has held true through their latest games.
Lowering Elden Ring's difficulty would attract more players but would also 'break the game itself,' says director Hidetaka Miyazaki
Miyazaki reckons that opening the game up to more players would not make it better, or more successful.
www.pcgamer.com
Oh look, a useful AI response to a query on Miyazaki’s reasoning for a lack of difficulty modes -
Hidetaka Miyazaki, director of games like
Elden Ring and the Dark Souls series, has spoken extensively about the absence of difficulty modes in his games and his reasoning behind it. His core philosophy revolves around the idea that overcoming hardship is a fundamental part of the experience and identity of FromSoftware games.
Here's a breakdown of Miyazaki's viewpoints:
Elden Ring and the Dark Souls series, has spoken extensively about the absence of difficulty modes in his games and his reasoning behind it. His core philosophy revolves around the idea that overcoming hardship is a fundamental part of the experience and identity of FromSoftware games.
Here's a breakdown of Miyazaki's viewpoints:
- Sense of accomplishment: Miyazaki believes that the difficulty, while challenging, is not arbitrary. It's designed to provide players with a sense of achievement and joy that comes from overcoming significant obstacles.
- Shared experience: He feels that offering different difficulty levels would segment the player base and create varying experiences. Having a consistent level of challenge allows players to share the same discussions and level of enjoyment, fostering a stronger sense of community.
- Learning and adaptation: Miyazaki emphasizes that their games are designed with a learning curve and feedback loop, encouraging players to understand the reasons for their failures and adapt their strategies.
- Part of the game's identity: He sees the challenging nature of FromSoftware games as integral to their unique identity and something they are not willing to abandon.
- Fairness in difficulty: While acknowledging the difficulty, Miyazaki stresses that the design aims for fairness. Players are expected to understand why they were defeated and learn from it for their next attempt.
- Alternatives to traditional difficulty settings: Although his games lack explicit difficulty modes, Miyazaki has incorporated features like summoning other players or powerful spirits to assist in challenging areas, allowing players to approach difficulties in ways that suit them.
One again though, it's Souls styles games not by From Software nor Miyazaki, and completely different publishers and developers. So nothing is lost and DS franchise is not effected in any way, nor its fan base. Congrats, you've won, and nothing was lost.Blegh. The course of this thread shows exactly what difficulty modes do to games, and why Miyazaki has avoided them. Fragmentation of the user base and no one can agree on anything!
Demon’s Souls wouldn’t have had the same impact if people could just select Easy instead of sharing tips online, using the game’s own internal hints system, summons, etc. This has held true through their latest games.
Lowering Elden Ring's difficulty would attract more players but would also 'break the game itself,' says director Hidetaka Miyazaki
Miyazaki reckons that opening the game up to more players would not make it better, or more successful.
Oh look, a useful AI response to a query on Miyazaki’s reasoning for a lack of difficulty modes -
Hidetaka Miyazaki, director of games like
Elden Ring and the Dark Souls series, has spoken extensively about the absence of difficulty modes in his games and his reasoning behind it. His core philosophy revolves around the idea that overcoming hardship is a fundamental part of the experience and identity of FromSoftware games.
Here's a breakdown of Miyazaki's viewpoints:
In summary, Miyazaki's stance is that removing or toning down the inherent challenge in his games would undermine the very core experience they aim to provide, namely the joy of overcoming adversity and a shared sense of accomplishment amongst players.
- Sense of accomplishment: Miyazaki believes that the difficulty, while challenging, is not arbitrary. It's designed to provide players with a sense of achievement and joy that comes from overcoming significant obstacles.
- Shared experience: He feels that offering different difficulty levels would segment the player base and create varying experiences. Having a consistent level of challenge allows players to share the same discussions and level of enjoyment, fostering a stronger sense of community.
- Learning and adaptation: Miyazaki emphasizes that their games are designed with a learning curve and feedback loop, encouraging players to understand the reasons for their failures and adapt their strategies.
- Part of the game's identity: He sees the challenging nature of FromSoftware games as integral to their unique identity and something they are not willing to abandon.
- Fairness in difficulty: While acknowledging the difficulty, Miyazaki stresses that the design aims for fairness. Players are expected to understand why they were defeated and learn from it for their next attempt.
- Alternatives to traditional difficulty settings: Although his games lack explicit difficulty modes, Miyazaki has incorporated features like summoning other players or powerful spirits to assist in challenging areas, allowing players to approach difficulties in ways that suit them.
Well for Soulslikes this post reiterates that adding difficulty modes doesn’t necessarily even make a game easier like people would expect. It’s too often a lazy crutch used by designers who often end up still having to patch a game’s shoddy balancing anyways.
Some get it right, and some don't. Nothing new in the gaming sphere. Souls style games or not.