Biden clenches the nomination.

[crimson5pheonix]

The Democrats are the logical result of tying together several camps of voters where the left requires an alliance with centreists/moderates to compete, that requires huge funding in a political system heavily influenced by enormous quantities of money, and where a disproportionate quantity of its "natural" voter base (i.e. the working poor) cannot or will not vote.

It is thus in large part what the wider system of US politics forces it to be.

And it forces them to be traitors. The Democrats don't work in my interest.

The New York Board of Elections is not the Democratic Party.

The Democratic Party also includes AOC herself, who takes the same stance as yourself in that very article; it includes Sanders, who was to be the other option in that contest; it includes Cuomo, who had sent absentee ballots to everybody in the state and waived existing restrictions to make it easier to vote. As Sanders himself noted, neither Biden nor the DNC requested that the Board take this action.

If you want it to be easier to vote, the very most self-defeating course of action you can take is to not vote, thereby further convincing the polling agencies (and by extension the future candidates) that you're not invested in the outcome.

You can't convince me that this isn't because of pressure from the DNC, it's too stupid of a decision to be made by rational people, and the only people who benefit from it are the DNC.

And I plan on not voting for them.

So glad you brought up Nazis so I didn't have to.

You are saying we should let the Nazis do as they please because you refuse to team up with Stalin. In fact, WW2 was very much a war of greater evils vs lesser evils. The US too had concentration camps, for Asian Americans, though without gas chambers. So should Hitler have gotten away with it because the US and USSR were also not great?

No, i'm saying the Dems are this.

And don't bring up Stalin, he at least managed to gulag the kulaks. The Dems would put poor brown children in cages. Point of fact they already have.

 

[Worgen]

Any link to support this view? I believe I was first forwarded to this link by a leftist. (Bernie bro that does want to harm Biden though).

Well listen to what he says, because there are 2 parts here. Hes making a joke about his young age compared to the average age of most senators, he was about 29 when he was elected to the senate and hes saying that he didn't have the big backers that most senators running do and the joke is that he was too young for them to contribute to his campaign and that is a good thing. As for the token thing in the second half, you could kinda argue that hes not wrong, assuming you are trying to look at it like its not a joke, he was the 6th youngest senator to ever be elected.

Anyone who is seriously trying to argue that that isn't a joke is just really biased against him, you can even hear the laughter in the audience so this kinda makes it look like hes being interviewed like on some kinda late show.

 

[Sneed's SeednFeed]

We both know that the motivation behind Trump and his supporters was racism against Obama being black. Obama was change. Obama is the furthest left a US President has ever been. I am not arguing he is left-wing, I am arguing that every single President before him has been further right.

Obama was not the furthest left, what the hell are you smoking? I don't like FDR but no american president has even come close to those economic reforms and what they effect for public policy and overall quality of life.

 

[Saelune]

Gonna need some context on that. It might be defensible in certain (quite limited) respects.

But for instance, the US had more progressive tax systems from Truman to Johnson; it introduced better workplace protections, broader regulations, and broader infrastructure investment under F. Roosevelt.

If you mean purely in terms of social policy-- discrimination, marriage equality, sex & gender stuff-- then you might be right. Though that owes more to the slow evolution of social attitudes in the US than it does to one man.

Left/Right is not an economic spectrum as much as people want to claim it is, it is a human rights spectrum, and as a result, each side supports different economic views to support or oppose human rights. And Truman nuked Japan. I do not doubt Trump would not jump at the chance to nuke anything or anyone, but Truman actually did.

 

[Saelune]

And it forces them to be traitors. The Democrats don't work in my interest.



You can't convince me that this isn't because of pressure from the DNC, it's too stupid of a decision to be made by rational people, and the only people who benefit from it are the DNC.

And I plan on not voting for them.



No, i'm saying the Dems are this.

And don't bring up Stalin, he at least managed to gulag the kulaks. The Dems would put poor brown children in cages. Point of fact they already have.

You really want to defend Stalin while condemning Biden?

Trump put brown children in cages and they are still there, the ones that have not died yet anyways. But you don't care about them, cause you would rather let Trump stay in power. You do not care about poor people.

 

[Saelune]

Obama was not the furthest left, what the hell are you smoking? I don't like FDR but no american president has even come close to those economic reforms and what they effect for public policy and overall quality of life.

You mean that 4 term pre-60's Democrat (aka modern Republican) who put Asian Americans into concentration camps?

 

[Sneed's SeednFeed]

You mean that 4 term pre-60's Democrat (aka modern Republican) who put Asian Americans into concentration camps?

You mean the two term neoliberal who oversaw drone strikes murdering civilians and children, and was responsible for the detention and deportation of migrants more so than the current conservative president?

 

[tstorm823]

As for the second parable, your willfully ignoring the meaning of the passage. Jesus used examples that people of the time would understand. Money and interest are among them. Now, do I think the very concept of money is inherently a sin? Of course not. But it's not the ideal christian model, or even a particularly practical secular model, to base resource management on. I don't think having a human king was very practical either, and neither does God, but God still allowed the Hebrews to adopt a monarchy when asked.

I feel like Gods stance on usury is clear. Jesus threw the money lender from the temples. The bible says that when lending money to a fellow believer, you should charge no interest. The rich man asking to enter heaven was told to sell all of his possessions and follow Jesus. On and on and on it goes. Yet you have the audacity to try and argue that the parable in question was literally about the sinfulness of not sufficiently investing your financial capital? Totally haram.

I'm not arguing it's literally about that. If it was literal, it wouldn't be a parable. But the purpose of essentially all of Jesus' parables is to take a concrete example where people would be able to identify good and evil by context and apply it to a much broader idea. It's not that the parable applies only and specifically to money. It's that the parable only works because people can easily identify that increasing wealth is a good and moral thing.

You're never going to be able to understand the Bible's lessons on money if you can't break down separate notions like wealth, money, and greed. If you insist that capitalism and greed are synonymous, you're inevitably going to interpret Jesus as contradicting himself.

 

[Saelune]

You mean the two term neoliberal who oversaw drone strikes murdering civilians and children, and was responsible for the detention and deportation of migrants more so than the current conservative president?

You mean that President who didnt care about fighting the Nazis until Japan attacked the US first?

Detaining and deporting illegal immigrants in a timely manner without torture is NOT the same as indefinitely holding families with children separately and torturing them. But who cares about context when you can just shit on the black President?

 

[Worgen]

You mean the two term neoliberal who oversaw drone strikes murdering civilians and children, and was responsible for the detention and deportation of migrants more so than the current conservative president?

Do you know what groups were mainly deported under Obama? I was looking this up and it sounds like he mainly turned up enforcement on immigrants with a criminal record or who had committed crimes but turned it way down on families and the such, I mean he did setup DACA with an executive order.

 

[Sneed's SeednFeed]

You mean that President who didnt care about fighting the Nazis until Japan attacked the US first?

Detaining and deporting illegal immigrants in a timely manner without torture is NOT the same as indefinitely holding families with children separately and torturing them. But who cares about context when you can just shit on the black President?

Detention and deportation is the same as detention and deportation. Just look at the regular abuses conducted in ICE centers and tell me what kind of mental gymanstics you have to do to think none of that happened under Obama (and it definitely did, and it was widespread. In Gitmo and in migration centers).

I don't know what him being black has to do with anything unless you think that makes him exempt from comparison when you make patently false statements like him being 'the most left wing president of all time'. Like, what, being black automatically makes you left wing or something? What does that make Idi Amin, Haile Selassie, Paul Kagame, Blaise Comparoe, etc etc?

 

[Sneed's SeednFeed]

Do you know what groups were mainly deported under Obama? I was looking this up and it sounds like he mainly turned up enforcement on immigrants with a criminal record or who had committed crimes but turned it way down on families and the such, I mean he did setup DACA with an executive order.

Hey man, FDR made a bunch of publically justifiable reasons to the American people on why he kept the Japanese in camps too. It was fully above board as well.

 

[Saelune]

Detention and deportation is the same as detention and deportation. Just look at the regular abuses conducted in ICE centers and tell me what kind of mental gymanstics you have to do to think none of that happened under Obama (and it definitely did, and it was widespread. In Gitmo and in migration centers).

I don't know what him being black has to do with anything unless you think that makes him exempt from comparison when you make patently false statements like him being 'the most left wing president of all time'. Like, what, being black automatically makes you left wing or something? What does that make Idi Amin, Haile Selassie, Paul Kagame, Blaise Comparoe, etc etc?

Most criticism of Obama comes from racists who are making things up. People who claim Obama did what Trump is doing are lying so that they can trick people who refuse context and reality into thinking Obama is just as bad as Trump if not worse.

Hey man, FDR made a bunch of publically justifiable reasons to the American people on why he kept the Japanese in camps too. It was fully above board as well.

Now I KNOW you're right-wing.

 

[Worgen]

Hey man, FDR made a bunch of publically justifiable reasons to the American people on why he kept the Japanese in camps too. It was fully above board as well.

That's not really comparable. I mean personally I am more for open borders, but if the country wants to view illegal immigration as a bad thing and enforce borders then it can, but how you enforce that really does make the difference. Its really not the same as rounding up a portion of the population that they assume will contribute to an enemy in war.

 

[Saelune]

That's not really comparable. I mean personally I am more for open borders, but if the country wants to view illegal immigration as a bad thing and enforce borders then it can, but how you enforce that really does make the difference. Its really not the same as rounding up a portion of the population that they assume will contribute to an enemy in war.

They just said racism is ok. That is what they said. 'Its ok to imprison people who look like the people from the country we're fighting'.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

You really want to defend Stalin while condemning Biden?

Trump put brown children in cages and they are still there, the ones that have not died yet anyways. But you don't care about them, cause you would rather let Trump stay in power. You do not care about poor people.

I'm just saying, Trump didn't put them there first. To be fair, neither did Obama. But every administration ups the count, that's what you're voting for when you vote for the VIchy Dems. And you explicitly don't care about poor people, you disregard economics entirely in your decision making on your Don Quixote quest against "evil".

 

[Saelune]

I'm just saying, Trump didn't put them there first. To be fair, neither did Obama. But every administration ups the count, that's what you're voting for when you vote for the VIchy Dems. And you explicitly don't care about poor people, you disregard economics entirely in your decision making on your Don Quixote quest against "evil".

Unsurprisingly you intentionally twist my words to ignore what I said. Capitalism rewards evil and rewards abuse. It is supported by people who abuse human rights because it is profitable to. Those actually concerned with protecting human rights realize that means protecting their well being, their rights as workers, as people making their living. That is why left-wingers support things like socialism, healthcare for all, free/affordable education. Because it helps their rights as people.

So what are you going to do about those people in there? You refuse to vote, so what? Cause by not voting you're just letting the people who oppose make all the decisions rather than pushing them anywhere. So go free them yourself. Hell, you do that, I will praise you as a hero.

 

[Sneed's SeednFeed]

Most criticism of Obama comes from racists who are making things up. People who claim Obama did what Trump is doing are lying so that they can trick people who refuse context and reality into thinking Obama is just as bad as Trump if not worse.


Now I KNOW you're right-wing.

Thank you for making my day. I will put this up on my wall and show it to the lads in the politburo. You are a beautiful Dengist.

That's not really comparable. I mean personally I am more for open borders, but if the country wants to view illegal immigration as a bad thing and enforce borders then it can, but how you enforce that really does make the difference. Its really not the same as rounding up a portion of the population that they assume will contribute to an enemy in war.

Didn't claim it was. I'm against all borders, I think the concept of nationhood is false and ideological, that no country has a right to existence and that no country gets to decide who gets to go in or out of it. It's a relatively modern phenomenon wrapped up in racist and capitalist logic of the paradoxical need for cheap labour via immigrants whilst the hoarding of resources under the prejudice that migrants exist only to exploit the wealth of the native population, which can only be the case in a country that feels itself under constant paranoia of the masses not wanting to tolerate economic inequality under the justification of capital accumulation.

Fearing that a population will be a fifth column and the fear of an immigrant depreciating the economy are the same thing and are justified using the same set of normative ethics is my point. Azeris pull the same shit about Armenians, and the Turks have been doing that for centuries for example.

 

[Saelune]

Thank you for making my day. I will put this up on my wall and show it to the lads in the politburo. You are a beautiful Dengist.



Didn't claim it was. I'm against all borders, I think the concept of nationhood is false and ideological, that no country has a right to existence and that no country gets to decide who gets to go in or out of it. It's a relatively modern phenomenon wrapped up in racist and capitalist logic of the paradoxical need for cheap labour via immigrants whilst the hoarding of resources under the prejudice that migrants exist only to exploit the wealth of the native population, which can only be the case in a country that feels itself under constant paranoia of the masses not wanting to tolerate economic inequality under the justification of capital accumulation.

Fearing that a population will be a fifth column and the fear of an immigrant depreciating the economy are the same thing and are justified using the same set of normative ethics is my point. Azeris pull the same shit about Armenians, and the Turks have been doing that for centuries for example.

Anarchy just lets those willing to take power have it, and those people tend to be bad people.

 

[Sneed's SeednFeed]

Anarchy just lets those willing to take power have it, and those people tend to be bad people.

So the mexicans are the bad people and that's why you like Obama?