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Well, it'd certainly make a big difference (we generally forget that racism against the Irish was totally a thing, because they aren't poor outsiders anymore in most places), there are groups that aren't generally poor (or seen as poor) that still experience racism.
You forgot the Italians. Funnily enough, they made gangs too. It's why a lot of 'Mexicans' (Trump version of Mexicans) are in gangs

If you racism someone out of work, they have to resort to other lines of work. This can have lasting effects thst last decades
 
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Whatever, just wash your hands.
That would then be a valid explanation, if it were white people committing crimes against black people.
If you or your business or your property were under attack by white people, I could see how black people, who feel discriminated against, wouldn't trust the police to protect them, and take matters into their own hands.
I don't really get your point, can you rephrase?

But if a black person is committing the crime, then I don't see any reason why one wouldn't trust the police for protection. You know that the bee is going to sting them.
You still see that.
 

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Neither. Segregation, including the unofficial Segregation in the North, and banning them from making a life did. When you can't get a job, you gotta find money somehow
Damn straight. If Trump gets a second term I may have to leverage my experience as a street magician to start running a psychic con to pay my bills.

You forgot the Italians. Funnily enough, they made gangs too. It's why a lot of 'Mexicans' (Trump version of Mexicans) are in gangs

If you racism someone out of work, they have to resort to other lines of work. This can have lasting effects thst last decades
If you want to get depressed, take a look at the way Slavic immigrants were treated in the early 20th. For every ethnicity that immigrated to America, there is a corresponding mob that rose to power among the disenfranchised, the ignored and the forsaken in their communities.
 

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I don't really get your point, can you rephrase?
If a black person thinks that cops discriminate against black people:

- If they are getting robbed by a black person then they should call the police, since the cop will take down the robber with extreme prejudice.

- If they are getting robbed by a white person, then they might not call the police, since they feel that the cop won't help due to the discrimination.
 

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If a black person thinks that cops discriminate against black people:

- If they are getting robbed by a black person then they should call the police, since the cop will take down the robber with extreme prejudice.

- If they are getting robbed by a white person, then they might not call the police, since they feel that the cop won't help due to the discrimination.
You don't get it do you? When a black person gets robbed by ANYONE they don't call the police because chances are the cops could show up and shoot them instead regardless of who called them. Look at what happened to the man in this thread. Someone else called the cops about someone else fighting. He tried to help stop the fight before the cops arrived and then , while not even a suspect, he gets shot in the back SEVEN TIMES by cops.

THAT is why black people do not feel safe calling the cops FOR ANY REASON. It isn't safe for Black people to call the cops.

I don't think you even understand how this works in reality. Maybe you should take the time to listen to what Officer wood has to say about it above. It could actually give you perspective here. When the cops show up they don't care who did what, they often just attack black people regardless of what actually happened. You have spent more than 45 minutes arguing on this thread, but can't be bothered to educate yourself on the subject by someone far more knowledgeable on it before you do.
 
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You don't get it do you? When a black person gets robbed by ANYONE they don't call the police because chances are the cops could show up and shoot them instead regardless of who called them.
That might be true, but Worgen didn't say anything about that. I'm asking questions based off of Worgen's argument that too many speeding tickets cause gangs. He didn't say anything about cops shooting people. His argument has, thus far, been purely non-violent.

When the cops show up they don't care who did what, they often just attack black people regardless of what actually happened.
I reject your racist fear-mongering out of hand. When I called the police after my car was stolen, I was never attacked or even treated with the slightest amount of disrespect.
 
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That might be true, but Worgen didn't say anything about that. I'm asking questions based off of Worgen's argument that too many speeding tickets cause gangs. He didn't say anything about cops shooting people. His argument has, thus far, been purely non-violent.
Too many speeding tickets can lead to other crime. Here is how that works:
Constantly pulled over for BS reasons racking up a bunch of tickets you cannot afford to pay. You don't pay the tickets so you get a warrant for your arrest. You can't take off work to pay tickets or go to court or your fired, even though you would have to resort to crime to be able to pay the tickets in the first place because you don't have the money, like so many other lower income families in the same situation so they wind up arresting you for that warrant. Since you still cannot pay the fine, you have to sit out the time served in jail for the tickets. Now you have gone to jail, you have that on your record and get fired anyways for going to jail and now they don't trust you. You can't get a job by any other means now because as if it were not bad enough that even a black college educated man with no record is still deemed less trustworthy than a white high school dropout who has served time, even just for parking tickets, any mark on your record as a black person is a billion times worse than it is for any other demographic so you cannot get hired, even for shit jobs. People then resort to crime because they cannot survive by any other means and then the crimes just start piling up from there. Once you go to actual prison, you join a gang to survive or you are pretty well screwed. Of course they could have joined the gang prior to going to prison just to survive since no one would hire them regardless. Either way, at least the gang helped take care of them when they could not afford a roof over their heads by any other means. It was better than sleeping rough in the streets and starving.

You have to look at all the factors and the chain of events that take place due to the system being designed against them to begin with.
 

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He tried to help stop the fight before the cops arrived and then , while not even a suspect, he gets shot in the back SEVEN TIMES by cops.
They had to mag-dump! He was a black man! Have you ever seen the kind of superpowers they get from smoking the jazz cigarettes? /s
 

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Getting constantly hassled by cops for trivial reasons would be annoying, sure, but I don't see how that would lead to a loss of trust in them. If they're constantly around and constantly "doing their job", then doesn't that mean you can depend on them to show up to protect you when they're needed?

Like, if I see police pulling people over all the time I'm going to be less likely to speed or break any other traffic law, because I don't want to get pulled over. It could be said that I trust the cops to enforce traffic laws, even if I do find them excessive or over-zealous. I certainly wouldn't consider them to be slacking.

If they do a lot of harassing and not a lot of protecting, then sure, I could see why you wouldn't trust them.
I'm just going to point out that this incident seems incredibly trivial. Even Floyd started with something pretty trivial. I can't remember the woman's name in texas who was shot in the car a couple of years ago because she light up a smoke.

These are all those trivial thingd that show police not handling the situation properly
Also, I think you're oversimplifying why gangs form, and what gangs actually do, although I have no frame of reference other than movies for this. Nobody calls up the Crips or the Bloods to help solve their domestic disturbance issue. The Black Panthers didn't pull people over and give them speeding tickets. It seems that you view gangs as "noble protectors of the community", which seems optimistic, even for me.
I don't know, those ones in Brazil who handed out PPE etc a few months because the government did nothing was... well, I'm not going to call them noble. They're just portecting customers to make money later. But it was better than the government response and they're the ones who job is to protect the populace
 
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I'm just going to point out that this incident seems incredibly trivial. Even Floyd started with something pretty trivial. I can't remember the woman's name in texas who was shot in the car a couple of years ago because she light up a smoke.

These are all those trivial thingd that show police not handling the situation properly
Always with the same excuse too: they feared for their life. Which begs the question why we're giving all this firepower and no oversight to a bunch of spineless ninnies who call off work if there's a bee in their front yard.

EDIT: Did Houseman seriously admit that he gets all of his information on criminology from watching movies? HAHAHAHAHA

I'm sorry, but that shit is never not funny to me.
 

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Police do it all the time, that's why I try to stay away from them. Half of the time when they get into the middle of a situation they'd just start blasting then ask questions later. Especially women cops, they're easy on the trigger.
 

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Since you still cannot pay the fine, you have to sit out the time served in jail for the tickets. Now you have gone to jail, you have that on your record and get fired anyways for going to jail and now they don't trust you. You can't get a job by any other means now because as if it were not bad enough that even a black college educated man with no record is still deemed less trustworthy than a white high school dropout who has served time, even just for parking tickets, any mark on your record as a black person is a billion times worse than it is for any other demographic so you cannot get hired, even for shit jobs.
Having a misdemeanor criminal conviction is much different than having a felony on your record. The former is a lot less likely to show up on a background check than the latter, because one would have to pay extra money to the company to search each county of every state to see if they've done something in any of them.

I'm not arguing, just wanted to point that out.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
That might be true, but Worgen didn't say anything about that. I'm asking questions based off of Worgen's argument that too many speeding tickets cause gangs.
My point wasn't that just speeding tickets contribute to gangs, it was just an example of a nonviolent crime that everyone does. I probably should have just gone with the drug war since blacks and whites use drugs at pretty much the same rate but blacks are much much more likely to end up in prison for longer sentences than white users are.
 

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Too many speeding tickets can lead to other crime. Here is how that works:
Constantly pulled over for BS reasons racking up a bunch of tickets you cannot afford to pay. You don't pay the tickets so you get a warrant for your arrest. You can't take off work to pay tickets or go to court or your fired, even though you would have to resort to crime to be able to pay the tickets in the first place because you don't have the money, like so many other lower income families in the same situation so they wind up arresting you for that warrant. Since you still cannot pay the fine, you have to sit out the time served in jail for the tickets. Now you have gone to jail, you have that on your record and get fired anyways for going to jail and now they don't trust you. You can't get a job by any other means now because as if it were not bad enough that even a black college educated man with no record is still deemed less trustworthy than a white high school dropout who has served time, even just for parking tickets, any mark on your record as a black person is a billion times worse than it is for any other demographic so you cannot get hired, even for shit jobs. People then resort to crime because they cannot survive by any other means and then the crimes just start piling up from there. Once you go to actual prison, you join a gang to survive or you are pretty well screwed. Of course they could have joined the gang prior to going to prison just to survive since no one would hire them regardless. Either way, at least the gang helped take care of them when they could not afford a roof over their heads by any other means. It was better than sleeping rough in the streets and starving.

You have to look at all the factors and the chain of events that take place due to the system being designed against them to begin with.
Yep, everything is the fault of 'the system' and people carry no responsibility of their own. Gimme a break.

This re-occuring police violence is horrible beyond words but it's also a ridiculous exaggeration to call the entire police force some kind of mob organization. These people have to do their job under often extremely stressful situations where the threat of violence against themselves is also very real. There will always be rotten apples in any organization but the vast majority of good deeds by the police will go unnoticed and unreported. People base their opinion on media reports so the media also plays a role in people's negative perception of the police. If police killing innocent people is all you hear then you believe this is all the police ever does. From personal experience I thought American police is very friendly and amicable. But some people change in high stress situations and I think that is the problem.

The police is not to blame for the structural neglect of poor communities but they always have to deal with the domestic violence, street gangs and drug wars that result from it. I also can't imagine people are waiting in line to become a police officer so you have to do with what you have. We hear of the times the police shoots an innocent man but we never hear about the times the police is under fire. It's a job where people literally put their life on the line so it's easy for some pasty ivory tower academic or SJW Karen on Facebook to profess society must ''defund the police'' but really society should be grateful there are people who want to do this work in the first place.

What I also experienced first hand is why so many people simply can't cooperate with an authority figure. This mentality of feeling like you're always owed an explanation and this complete disrespect for the police and acting like the public space is one's own personal domain. Like the other night I got pulled over by some cops for alcohol control and they asked for the usual like driver's license and registration so I thought fine these people are also just doing their job so I cooperated and went on my way with the cops wishing me a nice evening. Some other guy who got pulled over as well for the exact same thing completely lost his shit shouting at the police and arguing with very aggressive body language. Just..why? If these were American cops who can be pretty sure people are carrying it's not hard to imagine how quickly a simple car being pulled over can go out of hand. Now the other guy was of North African descent and I can see how the media would have thrown it on his ethnicity if things escalated even if I had personally witnessed they treated the person the exact same as me.

But yeah, I think the biggest problem is when cops have to deal with things they aren't equipped for like social ills of neglected communities and a population armed to the teeth and a pressure cooker society aggrevated by social media. In it's current tractory it's inevatible the U.S. will go the way of South Africa with gated communities guarded by private security forces and segregated ethnicities where racial divides have burned all bridges.
 
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it's also a ridiculous exaggeration to call the entire police force some kind of mob organization.
This is what you really wanted to say. Everything before the but was just lip service.

These people have to do their job under often extremely stressful situations where the threat of violence against themselves is also very real.
Bull. The fuck. Shit. Police officer doesn't even crack the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the US. It is more dangerous by far to work in construction, but we don't give construction workers a societal-level pass when they fuck up. And unlike the police, roads actually do what they're supposed to.

There will always be rotten apples in any organization but the vast majority of good deeds by the police will go unnoticed and unreported. People base their opinion on media reports so the media also plays a role in people's negative perception of the police. If police killing innocent people is all you hear then you believe this is all the police ever does. From personal experience I thought American police is very friendly and amicable. But some people change in high stress situations and I think that is the problem.
In other words, you do not believe there is any corruption inherent to the system? It's just those few bad apples that somehow avoid spoiling the bunch? You're speaking from a position of privilege.

The police is not to blame for the structural neglect of poor communities but they always have to deal with the domestic violence, street gangs and drug wars that result from it. I also can't imagine people are waiting in line to become a police officer so you have to do with what you have. We hear of the times the police shoots an innocent man but we never hear about the times the police is under fire. It's a job where people literally put their life on the line so it's easy for some pasty ivory tower academic or SJW Karen on Facebook to profess society must ''defund the police'' but really society should be grateful there are people who want to do this work in the first place.
And this is the attitude that resulted in cops having no accountability.

In it's current tractory it's inevatible the U.S. will go the way of South Africa with gated communities guarded by private security forces and segregated ethnicities where racial divides have burned all bridges.
That's already happening right now. It done been happening. You're late to the party.
 
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Yep, everything is the fault of 'the system' and people carry no responsibility of their own. Gimme a break.

This re-occuring police violence is horrible beyond words but it's also a ridiculous exaggeration to call the entire police force some kind of mob organization. These people have to do their job under often extremely stressful situations where the threat of violence against themselves is also very real. There will always be rotten apples in any organization but the vast majority of good deeds by the police will go unnoticed and unreported. People base their opinion on media reports so the media also plays a role in people's negative perception of the police. If police killing innocent people is all you hear then you believe this is all the police ever does. From personal experience I thought American police is very friendly and amicable. But some people change in high stress situations and I think that is the problem.

The police is not to blame for the structural neglect of poor communities but they always have to deal with the domestic violence, street gangs and drug wars that result from it. I also can't imagine people are waiting in line to become a police officer so you have to do with what you have. We hear of the times the police shoots an innocent man but we never hear about the times the police is under fire. It's a job where people literally put their life on the line so it's easy for some pasty ivory tower academic or SJW Karen on Facebook to profess society must ''defund the police'' but really society should be grateful there are people who want to do this work in the first place.

What I also experienced first hand is why so many people simply can't cooperate with an authority figure. This mentality of feeling like you're always owed an explanation and this complete disrespect for the police and acting like the public space is one's own personal domain. Like the other night I got pulled over by some cops for alcohol control and they asked for the usual like driver's license and registration so I thought fine these people are also just doing their job so I cooperated and went on my way with the cops wishing me a nice evening. Some other guy who got pulled over as well for the exact same thing completely lost his shit shouting at the police and arguing with very aggressive body language. Just..why? If these were American cops who can be pretty sure people are carrying it's not hard to imagine how quickly a simple car being pulled over can go out of hand. Now the other guy was of North African descent and I can see how the media would have thrown it on his ethnicity if things escalated even if I had personally witnessed they treated the person the exact same as me.

But yeah, I think the biggest problem is when cops have to deal with things they aren't equipped for like social ills of neglected communities and a population armed to the teeth and a pressure cooker society aggrevated by social media. In it's current tractory it's inevatible the U.S. will go the way of South Africa with gated communities guarded by private security forces and segregated ethnicities where racial divides have burned all bridges.
It is the fault of the system. They call it a " poverty tax" for a reason. people being too poor to pay tickets and too poor to have better jobs that can let them off work to pay tickets is all a part of " the system" it is like my brother being thrown in jail because his car couldn't pass inspection. His car had a computer error and they couldn't figure out why. The check engine light kept coming on, then would go off then a few days later would come back on. He had them replace several things, but it kept happening. He even replaced the computer in the car and it STILL kept happening. There was nothing wrong with any of it and he wasted all that money he didn't have to spend in the process. The car was not dangerous. The car was not a hazard. The car itself was driving fine. they think that it may have been a wire somewhere in the car causing the problem, but they would have to replace all the wiring in the entire car to find out, which would cost more than the car was worth. So he was given a no inspection citation on the way to work. On the same day, he was given ANOTHER citation on the way home in the neighboring county. My brother wound up having to SIT IN JAIL for that BS because he spent all his money trying to fix the car, then when he tried to go earn more, he was stopped by the cops for it. His car was impounded while in jail and he could not afford to get it out so he lost his transportation to and from work over it as well and has been unemployed since.

Then he was fired for missing work when he was in jail. Go ahead and explain to me what he was supposed to do here? This is how it works for people with little to no options in reality. It is always one thing after another, never letting up until the system grinds them into nothing.

I didn't call the police some "mob organization", but Police Sgt. Woods, above pretty much did and he would know better now wouldn't he? Did you listen to what he had to say about it?

Here is where it was posted earlier:

And yea, according to the cops speaking up it was intentionally designed this way. Listen to what he is saying the biggest problem actually is here, and I don't think it is what you think it is.
 
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This is what you really wanted to say. Everything before the but was just lip service.
Please don't pretend you know better what I want to say than I do doofus. Why would it be 'lip service' if I find it horrible that an innocent man is killed? Just b/c I don't preach to your choir?


Bull. The fuck. Shit. Police officer doesn't even crack the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the US. It is more dangerous by far to work in construction, but we don't give construction workers a societal-level pass when they fuck up. And unlike the police, roads actually do what they're supposed to.
From what I understand construction workers aren't exposed to a constant threat of violence or high stress potentially life or death situations where they have to make split second decisions.



In other words, you do not believe there is any corruption inherent to the system? It's just those few bad apples that somehow avoid spoiling the bunch? You're speaking from a position of privilege.
It's a combination. Rotten apples in the police force. Many people having attitude problems. Neglected communities. Personnel shortages. Extreme wealth imbalance. It's a combination of things as police violence seems particularly present in countries with great disparity like the U.S., South Africa and Brazil. It's not ''police are bad'' like a simpleton like you would prefer.



And this is the attitude that resulted in cops having no accountability.
They have accountability. From what I understand in previous cases of police brutality people involved have been suspended and/or prosecuted.



That's already happening right now. It done been happening. You're late to the party.
There are gradations in anything and if you say racial segregation in U.S. is already as bad as in South Africa then ok.
 

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It used to be the 'poor tax' was slavery or the death sentence. It was upgraded to prison in recent times.
13th ammendment
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.".
 

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Go ahead and explain to me what he was supposed to do here?
Taken the bus. Called a ride service. Not driven a vehicle that he knew didn't pass inspection.
Either would have been less expensive than a ticket.