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Generation Z feels intimidated by full stops, experts find

Linguists believe that full stops have fallen out of fashion with young people because they 'signify an abrupt or angry tone of voice'


By Helena Horton 23 August 2020 • 8:38pm

Full stops have become the latest casualty of youthful sensitivity as experts say they can be “intimidating”.
As teenagers and those in their early twenties, Generation Z, have grown up with phones in their hands, using short messages to communicate with one another, and the punctuation mark has fallen out of fashion and become a symbol of curt passive-aggression.
Linguists have been debating the use of the full stop and why some young people interpret a correctly punctuated text as a sign of annoyance.
Some argued that the full stop had become redundant, as a text was now ended simply by sending it, and the sentence did not need to be finished with a punctuation mark.
Linguist Dr Lauren Fonteyn tweeted “If you send a text message without a full stop, it’s already obvious that you’ve concluded the message. So if you add that additional marker for completion, they will read something into it and it tends to be a falling intonation or negative tone.”
Others said the effect of a full stop changed depending on the medium of the message.
Owen McArdle, a linguist at the University of Cambridge, said: “I’m not sure I agree about emails. I guess it depends how formal they are.
But full stops are, in my experience, very much the exception and not the norm in [young people’s] instant messages, and have a new role in signifying an abrupt or angry tone of voice.”
The meaning of the full stop in online communications has been a debate raging among linguists for years.
Prof David Crystal, one of the world’s leading language experts, thinks the use of the punctuation mark is being “revised in a really fundamental way”.
In his 2015 book, Making a Point, he explains that instead of its original purpose, signifying the end of a sentence, it has become an “emotion marker”, signifying anger or annoyance.
He said: “You look at the internet or any instant messaging exchange – anything that is a fast dialogue taking place. People simply do not put full stops in, unless they want to make a point.
The full stop is now being used in those circumstances as an emotion marker.”
This is also backed up by science. A 2015 study by Binghamton University in New York, involving 126 undergraduates, found that they perceived text messages ending in a full stop as being less sincere than the same message without a full stop.
Researchers also found that exclamation points did the opposite of full stops, making people seem more sincere and engaged.
Research leader Celia Klin said at the time: “When speaking, people easily convey social and emotional information with eye gaze, facial expressions, tone of voice, pauses and so on. People obviously can’t use these mechanisms when they are texting. Thus, it makes sense that texters rely on what they have available to them – emoticons, deliberate misspellings that mimic speech sounds and, according to our data, punctuation.”
WHY?! It's just proper punctuation!!! WHHHHHYYYYYY?!
 

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I’m an old fart millennial. I stopped using many full stops, but not all

But mainly because I’m lazy
 

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Personally I do kinda see a difference depending on which is texted to me. It’s not that significant but it’s there. Given language, even written language, is always going to involve ascribing meaning to more than the most literal interpretation of the words, this isn’t exactly new. I don’t really see how this matters.
 

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I mean........

On one hand, as a writer: Proper grammar whenever you can, yo.

On the other hand, I kind of get it?
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Personally I do kinda see a difference depending on which is texted to me. It’s not that significant but it’s there. Given language, even written language, is always going to involve ascribing meaning to more than the most literal interpretation of the words, this isn’t exactly new. I don’t really see how this matters.
This, basically.
 
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It's simply not a particularly useful grammar device for modern methods of written conversation, so it's fine, it's not like they're getting rid off it for novels and stuff.

This post reads more to me like "Old man yells at cloud" meme, typical boomer/gen Xer behaviour and for everyone's terror soon to be typical millenial behaviour.
 

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When was the last time someone complained about us no longer using the "long s"? If it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, it's good enough for you brats!

 

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This post reads more to me like "Old man yells at cloud" meme, typical boomer/gen Xer behaviour and for everyone's terror soon to be typical millenial behaviour.
As a millennial, I'll clarify that I don't care about lack of full stops in text messaging. But "intimidated" by it? Yeah...

But on a related subject, I swear, grammar and spelling have gone down the tubes. Maybe it's just me, but reading stuff on FFN, or even seeing primary school kids with their homework...a lot of the time (not necessarily most), the spelling and grammar are absolutely atrocious. And I know that's not the biggest problem in the world, but, well, y'know...
 

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As a millennial, I'll clarify that I don't care about lack of full stops in text messaging. But "intimidated" by it? Yeah...

But on a related subject, I swear, grammar and spelling have gone down the tubes. Maybe it's just me, but reading stuff on FFN, or even seeing primary school kids with their homework...a lot of the time (not necessarily most), the spelling and grammar are absolutely atrocious. And I know that's not the biggest problem in the world, but, well, y'know...
Well, to them it has a different meaning than to us, keep in mind that kids these days communicate mostly through SMS type messages, so in that context their use of language makes sense, also since they have a lot more experiences with texting they tend to take texts a lot more seriously than someone like me for example would.

I personally don't find this neither hard to understand nor particularly baffling, then again I'm like a tail-end millenial so I probably am somewhat of a generational middle-ground.
 

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Well, to them it has a different meaning than to us, keep in mind that kids these days communicate mostly through SMS type messages, so in that context their use of language makes sense, also since they have a lot more experiences with texting they tend to take texts a lot more seriously than someone like me for example would.

I personally don't find this neither hard to understand nor particularly baffling, then again I'm like a tail-end millenial so I probably am somewhat of a generational middle-ground.
People are going to converse differently over time. Fair enough. But again, that's not the issue here. It's being "intimidated."

I read 'The Coddling of the American Mind' recently, and it goes in-depth on Gen Z - those born from 1995 onwards, who grew up with the Internet and social media from day 1. It explains a lot about the rise of trigger warnings, safe spaces, and what Haidt calls "saftyism." So in this context, it's very concerning. From the practical standpoint, if you're intimidated by full stops, you're going to have a hard life. Like, literally any book written in a Roman-derived language for starters. And from a psychological standpoint, psychological research shows that if you're intimidated by something, withdrawing from the intimidation is a disasterous way of dealing with it. I don't recall the stats off the top of my head, but levels of self-harm and (attempted) suicide have skyrocketed for Gen Z.
 
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So, the headline says Gen Zers are intimidation by full stops, and the text says "The full stop is now being used in those circumstances as an emotion marker"

Yup.
 

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People are going to converse differently over time. Fair enough. But again, that's not the issue here. It's being "intimidated."

I read 'The Coddling of the American Mind' recently, and it goes in-depth on Gen Z - those born from 1995 onwards, who grew up with the Internet and social media from day 1. It explains a lot about the rise of trigger warnings, safe spaces, and what Haidt calls "saftyism." So in this context, it's very concerning. From the practical standpoint, if you're intimidated by full stops, you're going to have a hard life. Like, literally any book written in a Roman-derived language for starters. And from a psychological standpoint, psychological research shows that if you're intimidated by something, withdrawing from the intimidation is a disasterous way of dealing with it. I don't recall the stats off the top of my head, but levels of self-harm and (attempted) suicide have skyrocketed for Gen Z.
Which is the reason why these things should be taken seriously and tried to be understood, saying LOL Gen Z's so fragile! This is ridiculous! minimises their problems and in turn makes them less likely for them to seek help since they're being told they're not serious problems.

Also as the article says, texting has become the default mode of communication for this generation, as such these kinds of literary symbols carry much more weight when it comes to social interactions, it's not unlike being anxious because you were speaking with someone and you suddenly made them mad.

Basically the whole way in which they interact with people is very different, so the anxieties that people would get from those kinds of interactions are now being caused by the literary devices they use to communicate them, again I fail to see how this is particularly absurd, it makes sense if they've been doing that kind of thing since they were kids.

Again to me this sounds like the typical bashing of younger generations, by older people that don't understand the societal changes that have happened.
 
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Which is the reason why this things should be taken seriously and tried to be understood, saying LOL Gen Z's so fragile! This is ridiculous! minimises their problems and in turn makes them less likely for them to seek help since they're being told they're not serious problems.

Also as the article says, texting has become the default mode of communication for this generation, as such these kinds of literary symbols carry much more weight when it comes to social interactions, it's not unlike being anxious because you were speaking with someone and you suddenly made them mad.

Basically the whole way in which they interact with people is very different, so the anxieties that people would get from those kinds of interactions are now being caused by the literary devices they use to communicate them, again I fail to see how this is particularly absurd, it makes sense if they've been doing that kind of thing since they were kids.

Again to me this sounds like the typical bashing of younger generations, by older people that don't understand the societal changes that have happened.
It’s what you call click bait. ‘Z’s are so fragile because they have a different culture than us’ But then I remember how much the Boomers hated Millennials so, this is incredibly normal
 
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And here I was thinking this would be a thread about how my generation is afraid of coming to a full stop at intersections. Which is understandable quite frankly, and more interesting than whatever this is.

But yes, one look at the various headlines about the topic tells me all I need to know. I'm filing this under "Boomer Nonsense", good day everyone.
 

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And here I was thinking this would be a thread about how my generation is afraid of coming to a full stop at intersections. Which is understandable quite frankly, and more interesting than whatever this is.
That was what I originally thought it was too, and I also thought that would be a far more interesting topic if it were true... unfortunately that is not what it is about.
 

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Again to me this sounds like the typical bashing of younger generations, by older people that don't understand the societal changes that have happened.
But then I remember how much the Boomers hated Millennials....
Yeah, I still remember very well being told how GenXers were never going to amount to anything because we were too nihilistic and self-absorbed to commit to "American values", that we were slackers who didn't understand the value of hard work, that we'd fall for anything because we didn't stand for something. I'm not falling into that trap; I will not be the old man who yells at clouds.
 

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Yeah, I still remember very well being told how GenXers were never going to amount to anything because we were too nihilistic and self-absorbed to commit to "American values", that we were slackers who didn't understand the value of hard work, that we'd fall for anything because we didn't stand for something. I'm not falling into that trap; I will not be the old man who yells at clouds.
The one thing we can all agree on, Boomers suck.