Police shoot (another) unarmed black man in the back 7 times

[Houseman]

UGH. circles. All that was wrong with the car

Irrelevant. It didn't pass inspection. Driving it was illegal.

It sure must be nice to be able to sell a car and buy another one in the same day and STILL not miss work eh?

Who says it had to be before work? Who said it couldn't have been after work? Or wait, lemme guess, he worked the graveyard shift? He worked 12 hours a day and got off at 8pm? He worked 7 days a week, 12 hours a day, and never had any days off or downtime? Which is it?

Roomates just appear out of thin air?

No, you have to put in effort to find them. Did he not put in the effort? You tell me why he didn't have roommates.

It is really strange how you seem to think that everyone wants to live with their brother or something.

Wants to? Listen to how you describe your own situation. Your father fell ill. Your mother had mental health issues. You were all kicked out of the house as teenagers. This isn't a "want to" situation, this is a "have to" situation. This is pure pragmatism, this is about what NEEDS to be done in order to ensure SURVIVAL. psh, "wants to"

Both bedrooms in my apartment had couples living in them and we would get kicked out for having my brother live on my couch

Ah, okay, so minor (or a minor, you) renting an apartment and throwing paid keggers every weekend is okay, but a dude sleeping on the couch is over the line?

Regardless, even if him, in his clearly-illegal living arrangement couldn't have lived with you, in your clearly-illegal living arrangement, because it would have made it even more illegal, he still should have made the effort to get roommates.

Why do you think we have all these kids living in tents now? Maybe he could have come loved with you instead ? That is as likely as any of the scenarios you suggested.

Wow, so none of your 10 siblings liked your brother enough to live with him to the extent that you'd say that he'd have better luck with a stranger? Harsh, he's your brother.
What did he do? Why don't you like him? Surely it couldn't have been worse than running you out of the house, barefoot, while being threatened with a shotgun.

FYI I ran away to a neighbors home when I was 12 and called the police on my parents when they broke my fingers. I learned real quick to never do that again. The cops brought me home and told my dad to " put bars on the window next time so she doesn't climb out" and he left. My uncle WAS the local sheriff FYI.

How'd you get your fingers fixed?

you assuming that we had all these options in the first place

You did have all these options available to you, you just didn't take advantage of them. You allegedly didn't take advantage of the foster system because you didn't trust the foster system. You didn't call the cops because you didn't trust the cops. Your brother didn't get roommates for unexplained reasons. Seems to be your problem with trust rather than society's problem. Your brother's problems, we've already discussed.



How are your parents doing now, by the way?

 

[stroopwafel]

You do realize that if you spot welfare fraud you are supposed to report it. If you don't then you are contributing to the problem. Why are you such a supporter of welfare fraud?

Like I said, an entire underclass of immigrants, refugees, addicts and entitled people with minor health or psychological problems(most of the time of their own doing) are on welfare with zero demands put on them and without any incentive to improve on their situation. It's a structural problem. Reality is not like in your naive view ''system bad, people good''. You make it easy for people to get on the dole and receive free money and many will start to behave accordingly. Not just that but they are hugging up most resources in collective healthcare and public service as well. Contributing nothing but always demanding more. This is the kind of people you create with government hand-outs.

And guess what, they still blame crime on 'the system' and that it's 'society's' fault.. LOL

 

[stroopwafel]

The only problem is what seemed like something minor turned out to be a pain in the arse because it was some loose wire no one could figure out where. Nothing wrong with the cars functions.

How is traffic police supposed to know that? Their only concern is road safety. The same criteria applies to every vehicle. If the car can't apply to that criteria for whatever reason it shouldn't be on the road.

 

[lil devils x]

Irrelevant. It didn't pass inspection. Driving it was illegal.



Who says it had to be before work? Who said it couldn't have been after work? Or wait, lemme guess, he worked the graveyard shift? He worked 12 hours a day and got off at 8pm? He worked 7 days a week, 12 hours a day, and never had any days off or downtime? Which is it?



No, you have to put in effort to find them. Did he not put in the effort? You tell me why he didn't have roommates.



Wants to? Listen to how you describe your own situation. Your father fell ill. Your mother had mental health issues. You were all kicked out of the house as teenagers. This isn't a "want to" situation, this is a "have to" situation. This is pure pragmatism, this is about what NEEDS to be done in order to ensure SURVIVAL. psh, "wants to"



Ah, okay, so minor (or a minor, you) renting an apartment and throwing paid keggers every weekend is okay, but a dude sleeping on the couch is over the line?

Regardless, even if him, in his clearly-illegal living arrangement couldn't have lived with you, in your clearly-illegal living arrangement, because it would have made it even more illegal, he still should have made the effort to get roommates.



Wow, so none of your 10 siblings liked your brother enough to live with him to the extent that you'd say that he'd have better luck with a stranger? Harsh, he's your brother.
What did he do? Why don't you like him? Surely it couldn't have been worse than running you out of the house, barefoot, while being threatened with a shotgun.



How'd you get your fingers fixed?



You did have all these options available to you, you just didn't take advantage of them. You allegedly didn't take advantage of the foster system because you didn't trust the foster system. You didn't call the cops because you didn't trust the cops. Your brother didn't get roommates for unexplained reasons. Seems to be your problem with trust rather than society's problem. Your brother's problems, we've already discussed.



How are your parents doing now, by the way?

Geeze, like I even know what hours my brother worked at the time, the only reason i know about his car was because my other brothers and cousins were the mechanics. How about I ask you all this irrelevant information about your brother and see what you actually remember? Am I supposed to know why he didn't have roommates? Not everyone can even find roommates. Likely he couldn't afford his share of the rent. LMAO only me and my sisters get along enough to live with one another, and we can agree we all dislike my brothers.. But then again, I dislike most people so there is that. I have taken multiple sisters in when they needed it though, AND their kids. As I mentioned before on here, I was legally emancipated in court from my parents at 15. Due to my employment, having my own apartment, I received recommendations from community leaders, and my grades were outstanding, I was able to prove that was capable of being my own legal guardian. I had to go to court to become emancipated so that I could take my college classes or I would not have been able to do so. So yea, I was my own legal guardian at the age of 15. It was actually probationary at first and I became fully emancipated and a legal adult at the age of 16. I had to carry around the papers with me everywhere though and STILL had to be hassled all the time because most people didn't even know it was possible.

I didn't get my fingers fixed. I made a splint and they are still a bit crooked to this day. So you skip the part where I called the cops and then claim I didn't. You ignore the fact that it is extremely dangerous for Native American children and older children to be placed into the foster care system at all and then still ignorantly expect it to happen. Those aren't options for making things better, they are a guarantee to make it worse. It is beyond arrogant and ignorant to suggest these things because you do not actually understand the reality of happens here because you have been privileged enough to not have to. Where I came from, Knowing what happens in the system was common knowledge because we know many who have later found their way back to the reservation and told us exactly what happened to them while they were gone. The church school we were kidnapped and forced to go to on the reservation where they raped and abused hundreds of kids was a cakewalk in comparison. You do not know of what you speak of because you don't have to know. Not everyone is that lucky. Your " imaginary Options" are a fantasy, that is all.

My dad is dead and my mom is still in the hospital, my brother is still in another hospital.

 

[lil devils x]

How is traffic police supposed to know that? Their only concern is road safety. The same criteria applies to every vehicle. If the car can't apply to that criteria for whatever reason it shouldn't be on the road.

They aren't. No one expected them to. Traffic police don't do inspections, those are done at the auto shops. That is why they call it a " poverty tax" because only the wealthy can afford to fix their cars. The poor are just thrown in jail for it because they are unable to afford repairs. That is just one of the many things the poor cannot afford that is required to live. Especially in states like Texas where public transportation doesn't exist outside the major cities, you cannot get anywhere without a car here. They do not even build sidewalks in most places and most employers will not hire you unless you can provide your own car.

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[stroopwafel]

They aren't. No one expected them to. Traffic police don't do inspections, those are done at the auto shops. That is why they call it a " poverty tax" because only the wealthy can afford to fix their cars. The poor are just thrown in jail for it because they are unable to afford repairs. That is just one of the many things the poor cannot afford that is required to live. Especially in states like Texas where public transportation doesn't exist outside the major cities, you cannot get anywhere without a car here. They do not even build sidewalks in most places.

Need To Know | PBS

web-magazine integrating news with a touch of insight, perspective and wit.

www.pbs.org

Not everything is some grand conspiracy to suppress the poor. Like I said traffic police only concern is road safety so any vehicle that doesn't comply is pulled over regardless of who it is. Would you prefer the cops to allow people to just drive around in unsafe vehicles? And before you react the police can't determine if certain lights are false alarm or not. You just have a general safety standard every vehicle needs to confirm to. Which is a good thing.

 

[lil devils x]

Not everything is some grand conspiracy to suppress the poor. Like I said traffic police only concern is road safety so any vehicle that doesn't comply is pulled over regardless of who it is. Would you prefer the cops to allow people to just drive around in unsafe vehicles? And before you react the police can't determine if certain lights are false alarm or not. You just have a general safety standard every vehicle needs to confirm to. Which is a good thing.

According to the judge I spoke to on the subject, she was the one who called it " the poverty tax" because even she was aware that the ONLY people she ever sees in her courtroom for it are the poor and the reason they are all there is due to not being able to afford repairs and having to go to work. They rarely ever see an actual vehicle that was unsafe, it isn't actually about that is the problem here. I had to deal with a no inspection sticker myself once as well in college. You can drive around in vehicles with the same problem all you want legally in Texas if the car was made in the 1990's or earlier. Just not ones who can have sensor or computer errors that have no impact on whether or a vehicle is safe or not that was made after. Every vehicle doesn't need to confirm it. The police never actually see the light in question. What should really happen in that case is have a certified mechanic willing to sign off on it being okay and they should do the inspection anyways, as it actually doesn't affect the safety of the car. Problem solved. They are not " doing good" here, they are wasting people's time and money instead.

 

[fOx]

A measured response could be given.

But honestly, after watching the video,

ACAB.

I argued for years against political violence of any kind. I said violence is an utter last resort. So believe my sincerity when I say:

Burn that city to the ground.

 

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[lil devils x]

I became homeless earlier this summer (resolved now), with two kids to provide for. So we had to move in with my father for a month and then my sister and her spouse in their 1 bedroom semi-detached before we could get a place of our own. For all we knew when we relocated 20 metric miles we were homeless for the foreseeable future and that there was a very real risk that we'd have had to live 6 people in a single bedroom home for a long time. As Houseman said, this is not a "want to" situation, this is a "need to" situation and in those situations you do whatever you need to do to ensure acceptable living conditions. Even if that means sleeping on the couch at your sibling's place.

We did that growing up. When we fled the reservation due to the abuse, we had to stay in a one bedroom house. My parents took the only bedroom, so all the kids had to sleep on mattresses in the living room. It isn't just up to " siblings" as to whether or not they can take their brother in. We all lived with other people who had equal say in the matter. I know if he had tried to move in with my other brother, his wife would have changed the locks and kicked BOTH of them out, and I am not even kidding. She made that clear after he stayed too late one night, not even attempting to stay the night. That is just how this works. His needs =\= everyone else's needs. I took in my sisters, but my brothers were on their own. The other people living in the house have just as much say and " brothers" as well. Life doesn't always work out that way.

 

[Trunkage]

Like I said, an entire underclass of immigrants, refugees, addicts and entitled people with minor health or psychological problems(most of the time of their own doing) are on welfare with zero demands put on them and without any incentive to improve on their situation. It's a structural problem. Reality is not like in your naive view ''system bad, people good''. You make it easy for people to get on the dole and receive free money and many will start to behave accordingly. Not just that but they are hugging up most resources in collective healthcare and public service as well. Contributing nothing but always demanding more. This is the kind of people you create with government hand-outs.

And guess what, they still blame crime on 'the system' and that it's 'society's' fault.. LOL

How many people do you think are scamming across the US?

 

[lil devils x]

How many people do you think are scamming across the US?

Have to love the assessment of " minor health.." like he is giving them a proper diagnosis since people can apparently tell just by looking at them if they really need help or not.

 

[Revnak]

I argued for years against political violence of any kind. I said violence is an utter last resort. So believe my sincerity when I say:

Burn that city to the ground.

I will take partial credit for this transformation, even if it is utterly undeserved since I mostly just yelled at you about the efficacy of fire in resolving financial woes.

 

[Worgen]

You did have all these options available to you, you just didn't take advantage of them. You allegedly didn't take advantage of the foster system because you didn't trust the foster system. You didn't call the cops because you didn't trust the cops. Your brother didn't get roommates for unexplained reasons. Seems to be your problem with trust rather than society's problem. Your brother's problems, we've already discussed.



How are your parents doing now, by the way?

Dude, abandon ship. This is a bad line of questioning. At this point you are the guy who says he would have used his kung fu skills to beatup the mass shooter or are the guy who tells the woman she should have just have said no to not be raped. I know you are not directly saying that but you are in the same ballpark and its not a good look.

 

[Worgen]

Like I said, an entire underclass of immigrants, refugees, addicts and entitled people with minor health or psychological problems(most of the time of their own doing) are on welfare with zero demands put on them and without any incentive to improve on their situation. It's a structural problem. Reality is not like in your naive view ''system bad, people good''. You make it easy for people to get on the dole and receive free money and many will start to behave accordingly. Not just that but they are hugging up most resources in collective healthcare and public service as well. Contributing nothing but always demanding more. This is the kind of people you create with government hand-outs.

And guess what, they still blame crime on 'the system' and that it's 'society's' fault.. LOL

Then you owe it to your society to get in there and report all these cheats that are leeching off the system illegally. Go, make a difference, I believe in you, find those underclass members and make them pay for daring to cheat the system.

 

[ralfy]

From

Murder of Kyle Dinkheller - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The video recording of the murder, known as the "Dinkheller video", has become ubiquitous in U.S. police academies. According to Vox, the video's purpose in training "is to teach officers that any situation could escalate to violence. Cop killers lurk around every corner."[17]

The video has, for instance, been adapted to include an interactive sequence in which trainees can kill Brannan before he kills Dinkheller.[17] Police trainers use this setup to test officers' willingness to use deadly force, and to impart to them that "there could be a time when pulling the trigger is the only way".[18]

 

[Thaluikhain]

7 times, It's almost like they want people going werewolf on their town.

While the thread has moved on a bit, it's a little more complicated than that.

Now, absolutely, you don't shoot someone unless they are posing an immediate threat. But because you only shoot someone when they are posing an immediate threat, when you shoot them you are trying to end the threat right now, which usually means ending them right now.

US police tend to be trained well in getting the second part right, but are notoriously bad at the vitally important first part.

 

[Eacaraxe]

How is traffic police supposed to know that? Their only concern is road safety. The same criteria applies to every vehicle. If the car can't apply to that criteria for whatever reason it shouldn't be on the road.

Bullshit their only concern is road safety, their concern is justifying their own jobs and raising revenue for municipal and county governments. This is why ticket quotas exist alongside moving and non-moving violations that represent zero public safety hazard -- to manufacture reasonable suspicion for searches, making "undesirable" drivers susceptible to multiple citations from the same, unrelated, stop.

 

[Houseman]

Dude, abandon ship. This is a bad line of questioning. At this point you are the guy who says he would have used his kung fu skills to beatup the mass shooter or are the guy who tells the woman she should have just have said no to not be raped. I know you are not directly saying that but you are in the same ballpark and its not a good look.

I wanted to stop earlier, but lil added more details and wanted to keep going. Not that I'm concerned with "looks" in the first place.

Geeze, like I even know what hours my brother worked at the time, the only reason i know about his car was because my other brothers and cousins were the mechanics.

Well you said he was at work all day, every day, and had no time to sell his car, so surely you must have had some reason for saying this? A reason beyond exaggerating your brother's story and making it sound worse than it is so that you can prove that he really had no choice but to be crushed by the system, that is.

Also, wow, your family charged him, took away the last dime of his LOANED money, even when they couldn't even fix the problem?
Maybe he should have taken it to a bigger shop with a "if we can't fix it, you won't pay!" guarantee. There's another mistake.

Am I supposed to know why he didn't have roommates?

You don't have to know why. You asked what your brother did wrong. What he did wrong was not live with roommates closer to where the jobs are, instead of with animals out on an RV in the country. If you want to defend that choice he made, you would need to have a good reason for it. If you don't have a good reason then you must concede that it is one of the things your brother did wrong, and that your blaming of "the system" is mistaken.

LMAO only me and my sisters get along enough to live with one another, and we can agree we all dislike my brothers

Yeah, not enough to save their lives and rescue them from abject poverty, apparently. "Screw you, I've got mine"

As I mentioned before on here, I was legally emancipated in court from my parents at 15

Maybe the law was different back then, because this law says you need to be 16

because most people didn't even know it was possible.

Yeah, seeing as the law literally says nothing about it, I wouldn't doubt that many would be skeptical of the possibility.

So you skip the part where I called the cops and then claim I didn't.

You didn't call the cops on your mother chasing you out of the house with a shotgun, is what I was referring to.

You ignore the fact that it is extremely dangerous for Native American children and older children to be placed into the foster care system at all

I ignore your opinion, and I ignore the second-hand stories of your peers, that it is extremely dangerous for Native American children and older children to be placed into the foster care system.

My dad is dead and my mom is still in the hospital

Oh? I'm surprised you even know about their conditions, seeing that they abused you in such horrible ways, such as breaking your fingers, denying you proper medical care for said fingers, and driving you and your siblings out of the house at gunpoint.

 

[Aegix Drakan]

Not that I'm concerned with "looks" in the first place.

Clearly not.

Like, legit question, are you in fact a robot? Because you seem incapable of understanding that people can make poor decisions when under stress but in the moment they seem like the most sensible plan and that human interactions can be weird and nuanced and make no sense sometimes because that's how emotions work. And most humans are heavily impacted by emotions.

And then you basically have the stance that "if you did not make the optimal play at all times then you are the sole person to blame for what happened to you"

Which...You know, in a game, simulation or other purely logical construct makes sense...But the real world and the people in it are messy and nuanced and it doesn't really work like that.

We ain't all robots, House. We can't all calculate the optimal action at the exact moment without the benefit of hindsight. Especially not when under stress.