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From what I can tell there weren't that many cops around and they stayed in their cars. It was one step away from chaos, you can't scour the city and check IDs. Club has one entrance, so you can check it, and the city isn't a club... Much more difficult
Not all clubs have one entrance. Either way, how can you even be underage and be in a militia legally?
 

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Not all clubs have one entrance. Either way, how can you even be underage and be in a militia legally?
Regarding clubs, it's easier to check than a town. You must agree with me here.
Easy, he wasn't in a militia, he probably went with a family member and used their weapons. He was obviously trained with it.
 

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Easy, he wasn't in a militia, he probably went with a family member and used their weapons. He was obviously trained with it.
Not only should the 17 yr old go to jail, but so should whoever gave him the gun since he cannot legally buy it. This is one of the loopholes that desperately needs plugged in the US.
The worst part is, is that kid just threw his life away, innocent people's lives were taken for no reason, and all for what? Because this kid was hyped up on BS propaganda that made him think he was protecting the world by killing innocent people. We have to address the propaganda at the source. This dumbass kid should have never even been there.
 
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Ok but how many centuries have to pass before some people can finally move on? Many black people are highly succesful so what is their excuse? Even the previous president was black and popular enough to serve two terms. He wasn't rich when he started so who 'withheld opportunities' from him?

It's class, it's race, it's wealth, it's the length of my big toe. Inadequacy is always the fault of someone else.
The answer? When it actually stops.

I mean, there are plenty people who voice similar thoughts to you and ignore studies upon studies by the government and independent bodies that show how outside factors (such as diverting funds from the communities, schools, etc).

But then they will continue to voice studies about disproportionate amount of crime by the black community... supplied by the very body who stands to benefit from the criminalization image of the black community.

My personal question to you. If the studies don't work, if the testament of people who lived through the situation doesn't work, if the scores upon scores of videos showing police officers lying and brutalizing the black community doesn't work... what will actually work to show you that the oppression of Blacks are not in the past, but is a vibrant part of the black experience worldwide?

... or is the answer that there is none, and your mind is made up? Because if so... why even have conversations?
 
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Thank you for asking. Real Life has been a *****. By this time tomorrow, I should be arriving in Baltimore for a lay over. Then, to Florida, where I'll spend at least a year taking care of a family member who has cancer.

But with Floridian skies comes more chances to fly, therefore being a pllot there will be easier than cloudy Western New York. I hope you are well.
Be careful. That hurricane is going to hit soon and while it's not heading for Florida, I can't imagine there won't be any effects on it. But I'm glad that you're at least physically ok even if your family member isn't. Hope everything resolves in the best way possible.

And I'm ok, wasn't feeling too hot today so I took the day off (Not the beerbug) but I'm not feeling too bad.
 

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Weren't you shooting guns at around age 8?
Yes, but I sure as hell was not allowed to walk around in public with one and no one in my family would have allowed me to. We never used it for "photo props" or acted like it was cool or powerful. I only fired it on my parents land, supervised at all times at 8. I used it to defend our family and animals from wild dogs when I was 12, but we never used it for any other reason. Nor did we ever leave the property with it. We certainly were not training to KILL PEOPLE with it as this guy was. It was a tool of last resort to keep small children and farm animals alive and that was it.
 

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It's not the fault of the ultra rich that politicians have no backbone and don't increase dividend tax and it's also not the fault of the ultra rich that billions of tax revenue go to the military industrial complex while the poor sleep in a box.
You realize that the REASON they're spineless is because politics in the US is a money game, right?

Until VERY recently, whoever had the most money (ie, corporate donations) was basically guaranteed to win the election. Ergo, big business and the rich realized they can just donate to people who support their views and will be pliable to their demands, and as a result both parties wound up running almost exclusively running people who catered exclusively to the whim of big business.

Thus, them not putting a dividends tax, and them forking over trillions to corporations in unconditional bailouts, supporting the military industrial complex, etc etc etc.

It's not that politicians are spineless cowards (although...they ARE), it's because big business (run BY ultra wealthy people who want to be even wealthier), are able to more or less buy elections with absurd amounts of corporate donations either directly or through super pacs.

And the mainstream media, also large rich corporations, plays along with this and is frequently SHOCKED when a bright young person with a bold vision and popular on the ground support defeats someone with more money who has been there longer.
 

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Yes, but I sure as hell was not allowed to walk around in public with one and no one in my family would have allowed me to. I only fired it on my parents land, supervised at all times at 8. I used it to defend our family and animals from wild dogs when I was 12, but we never used it for any other reason. Nor did we ever leave the property with it. We certainly were not training to KILL PEOPLE with it as this guy was.
Does the law make a distinction between an 8 year old with a gun, on their own property, under supervision, and a 17 year old with a gun on public property?
The answer is probably yes, but in case it's not, you'd be throwing stones in a glass house
 

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Not only should the 17 yr old go to jail, but so should whoever gave him the gun since he cannot legally buy it. This is one of the loopholes that desperately needs plugged in the US.
The worst part is, is that kid just threw his life away, innocent people's lives were taken for no reason, and all for what? Because this kid was hyped up on BS propaganda that made him think he was protecting the world by killing innocent people. We have to address the propaganda at the source. This dumbass kid should have never even been there.
He ought to go to prison for having the firearm since he's underage.
Regarding the killing, I don't know if they can chalk it up to self-defense, I've seen the clips, they tried to dogpile him.
Yes, but I sure as hell was not allowed to walk around in public with one and no one in my family would have allowed me to. We never used it for "photo props" or acted like it was cool or powerful. I only fired it on my parents land, supervised at all times at 8. I used it to defend our family and animals from wild dogs when I was 12, but we never used it for any other reason. Nor did we ever leave the property with it. We certainly were not training to KILL PEOPLE with it as this guy was. It was a tool of last resort to keep small children and farm animals alive and that was it.
Yeah, super illegal to walk around with a firearm when you're under 18.
Does the law make a distinction between an 8 year old with a gun, on their own property, under supervision, and a 17 year old with a gun on public property?
The answer is probably yes, but in case it's not, you'd be throwing stones in a glass house
The answer is VERY MUCH yes. Open Carry requires 18 years of age, so he doesn't have a license to do that.
 
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The answer? When it actually stops.

I mean, there are plenty people who voice similar thoughts to you and ignore studies upon studies by the government and independent bodies that show how outside factors (such as diverting funds from the communities, schools, etc).

But then they will continue to voice studies about disproportionate amount of crime by the black community... supplied by the very body who stands to benefit from the criminalization image of the black community.

My personal question to you. If the studies don't work, if the testament of people who lived through the situation doesn't work, if the scores upon scores of videos showing police officers lying and brutalizing the black community doesn't work... what will actually work to show you that the oppression of Blacks are not in the past, but is a vibrant part of the black experience worldwide?

... or is the answer that there is none, and your mind is made up? Because if so... why even have conversations?
Obviously there are racist pricks, ethnic profiling. police brutality and a disproportionate amount of black people incarcerated for minor offenses and no one in their right mind would deny there isn't a problem. But if systematic oppression and historic slavery is to blame then why are so many black people also succesful? You can't deny it's atleast partial people's attitude as well. We also now try to act as if there aren't white people who aren't killed by police brutality, don't feel oppressed or are incarcerated for minor offenses. So even if you take the racial component out of the equation who is to say the situation would be any different? By shifting the blame on a country's history you also disqualify the problems of people in a similar situation who can't use this as an excuse.
 

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For those wondering how the police were going to handle the 17 year old with the double homicide


"The dead guys shouldn't have been there."
 

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For those wondering how the police were going to handle the 17 year old with the double homicide


"The dead guys shouldn't have been there."
Have you seen the whole clip? They're charging him with murder. The protesters ran after him and tried to disarm him. That's an idiot move.
 
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Does the law make a distinction between an 8 year old with a gun, on their own property, under supervision, and a 17 year old with a gun on public property?
The answer is probably yes, but in case it's not, you'd be throwing stones in a glass house
Yes, the law actually does.
 

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Have you seen the whole clip? They're charging him with murder. The protesters ran after him and tried to disarm him. That's an idiot move.
While not wrong that it's not necessarily smart, it's still murder and will be argued by the DA since Castle Doctrine cannot be applied in about 8 different ways the kid fucked up and while there isn't a Duty to Retreat in Wisconsin, juries can decide and they generally fall along Duty to Retreat rules, which he violated in a bunch of other ways too. Firstly by being there.
 

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He ought to go to prison for having the firearm since he's underage.
Regarding the killing, I don't know if they can chalk it up to self-defense, I've seen the clips, they tried to dogpile him.

Yeah, super illegal to walk around with a firearm when you're under 18.

The answer is VERY MUCH yes. Open Carry requires 18 years of age, so he doesn't have a license to do that.
They tried to dogpile a perceived threat to prevent others from being killed. The thing is the kid with the gun should not have been there in the first place. Send me the link to what you are looking at, do we even know what he said or did before they tried to disarm him? When we have school teachers dying to disarm school shooters it is no wonder why they were disarming this kid before more people were killed. Kid walking around with a gun at a public protest should have never happen at all. If someone had dogpiled Dylan Roof, Adam Lanza or Nikolas Cruz before they could shoot anyone a lot more people would have survived.
 
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Obviously there are racist pricks, ethnic profiling. police brutality and a disproportionate amount of black people incarcerated for minor offenses and no one in their right mind would deny there isn't a problem. But if systematic oppression and historic slavery is to blame then why are so many black people also succesful? You can't deny it's atleast partial people's attitude as well. We also now try to act as if there aren't white people who aren't killed by police brutality, don't feel oppressed or are incarcerated for minor offenses. So even if you take the racial component out of the equation who is to say the situation would be any different? By shifting the blame on a country's history you also disqualify the problems of people in a similar situation who can't use this as an excuse.
If they are unsuccessful due to their own talent, that they’re problem. The aim is trying to reduce the noise around such issues. Im assuming you think that black people are successful because of their own skill? That’s a pretty bad assumption - the ‘self made man’ thing doesn’t exist. No billionaire has ever done that. They are successful on the shoulders of others. But it is n interesting question. What helped them reach their potential with their skill? Specific employers or colleagues? Teachers and mentors? Definitely parents. Probably a whole bunch of factors, including person skill.

A similar issue that lefties and MRA agree on is how boys do in traditional school. The factory farm set up is far more beneficial for girl’s style of learning. In my school, we do a bush session once a week. We go offsite, climbing trees, use tools, find bugs and use compasses. Hopefully, this will improve everyone’s learning. The issue is that this is really not cost effective and probably will never be introduced state wide. So economically, we are probably hurting boys ability to learn. When they saw ‘systemic issues’, that’s the kind of thing they’re talking about. Economically inefficient options that could benefit certain demographics are ignored
 

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While not wrong that it's not necessarily smart, it's still murder and will be argued by the DA since Castle Doctrine cannot be applied in about 8 different ways the kid fucked up and while there isn't a Duty to Retreat in Wisconsin, juries can decide and they generally fall along Duty to Retreat rules, which he violated in a bunch of other ways too. Firstly by being there.
I'm not familiar with this stuff, so I won't keep arguing, I said my piece.
They tried to dogpile a perceived threat to prevent others from being killed. The thing is the kid with the gun should not have been there in the first place. Send me the link to what you are looking at, do we even know what he said or did before they tried to disarm him? When we have school teachers dying to disarm school shooters it is no wonder why they were disarming this kid before more people were killed. Kid walking around with a gun at a public protest should have never happen at all. If someone had dogpiled Dylan Roof, Adam Lanza or Nikolas Cruz before they could shoot anyone a lot more people would have survived.
I can send you, sure.
 

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Locals vs. out-of-towners.

This shit is mirroring late 1920s-1930s Europe in France, Germany and Italy. Burn the police station, not the city.